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    I am here to make a confession: After all my chit-chat about not profiling customers, I, Amethyst, have profiled a group of customers. I am ashamed of myself and deserve some form of punishment.

    The other night, a group of basketball players came into my club and sent a waitress to "round up" dancers. When the waitress brought me over to the table, I took one look at them, shook my head and said "uh-uh. Hayell no". I then sped away in another direction.

    Unfortunately, these guys heard me and assumed it was because they were Black men. I just hate basketball players (or "sports entertainers" as I call them) because it never fails: I always have to put up with bullsh*t and when they find out I don't booty clap (90% of the girls at my club do it) or dance to hip-hop or allow them to molest me, they send me away after a few dances. So why bother right?

    Well, the waitress had to go apologize for me and then whaddaya know, I have to go onstage shortly thereafter - and of course they're sitting right in front. So while I'm rocking out to Dweezil Zappa, and getting tipped by White men, you can guess what kind of comments I heard. One of them even got up and did "throw dollar bills on the stage and make sure they land on her" thing, all the while complaining that I need to "shake an ass cheek or sumthin" and "can we get some Lil John up in this Mutha??".

    They ended up spending a lot of money and the dancers that were over there said they were very nice, tipped well, and were just having fun, so now I feel bad because I ran off like I did. Sure they offered girls money to go back to the "after-party" with them (have no idea who actually went), but then again, who DOESN'T ask dancers to date them or party with them?

    I feel like a loser. Maybe there will be some b-ball players in tonight so I can make up for it


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    Don't be too hard on yourself....most dancers I know agree that athletes are either too much to handle or cheap....they're used to getting whatever they want all the time & having groupie chicks on their jock, so why will that stop in a titty bar, of all places?

    PS You probably helped those other girl make more than they would have- the customers wanted to show you that you missed out. Oh well. Win some, lose some.....

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    Oh, we all make that mistake and then kick ourselves for it. I myself didn't care for the athletes we used to have come in when I worked in Ohio. Never made much money and they couldn't keep their hands off the goods. While the girls were fawning all over them, you were keeping the white guys occupied. See, it all works out for everyone.

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    well, as a geek, thanks for rejecting. heh

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    Wont catch flack from me!!!
    LOL
    I think we had a thread about dancers profiling a while back.

    Im all for it,I think its a tool every dancer should use,and use to the fullest all night long when posed with options.

    I dont think its being racist at all,I think all guys are green,the color of money.

    If a dancers is attracted to a certain shade of green over another,or has a tendency to make more money from a certain size or shape of green,then i think its a good idea for her to follow her instincts.
    I dont think she should sit on her ass all night and wait for that shade to walk in the door,but if given the choice,I would tell her to go with what she "thinks"makes her money.

    Make no mistake about it,this is one of the last industrys that are openly racist.The things we get away with wouldnt fly anywhere else in the PC world without complete meltdown from lawsuits.

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    Be about your money at work,fuck the other shades or shapes of green.(cept MnM green of course heh)

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    I'm not a fan of working entertainers either. It's because I have the "prima donna" syndrome and I refuse to give them all the attention that their egos need...That attention is MINE!! I loooove retired athletes and musicians who haven't put out a record in a while though.


    If they seem like the booty shake type and you are a Dweezil Zappa kinda girl you probably did right by not spending huge amounts of time over there, but you never know who'll spend $$ on you I've gotten unbelievable amounts from guys who just aren't my usual type of custy----but for some reason they are attracted to me at that moment

    OTOH.......... making custy's feel unwelcome because of how you perceive them is bad business. If you feel bad it's probably because you did something that goes against your personal guidelines.....

    In the great scheme of things it's no biggie though---- you've identified the problem and now have the opportunity to make sure it doesn't happen again.
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    We get alot of pro athletes in my club and they don't generally buy many dances, but some will tip alot on stage if they like a girl or occasionally tip well at the table. They generally go for the ghettobooty girls but now and then I'll hook one. They've always been pleasant to me, whether they're buying from me or not and they almost always try to ask me out, just like any other custy. However since MOST of the time they don't spend money on me, I don't bother to approach them unless I've been asked over. I see nothing wrong with profiling in a business sense. We are at work to maximize our money, and profiling can help us do that. We don't need to waste our time on every tom dick and harry who walks in the door just because we don't want to be guilty of profiling or seem unPC. If I've got 3 guys wanting my attention at work, I'm going to the one I think is going to spend the most money on me the easiest, every time. That's just good business sense.

    Don't feel bad girl. I agree with other poster they probably spent more on the other girls than they otherwise would have as a way to "show you" after what you said/did. I don't say anything negative or act bitchy to guys I don't want to deal with, just excuse myself politely and move on. If you should change anything about how you dealt with that situation, just remember to keep it polite when deciding not to deal with certain custies.

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    hey speaking of profiling.. i went to a real estate office to talk to someone about buying a house about a month ago.. Im young so they didnt take me too serious..(it hurt a little)

    But i just got approved for a good hunk of change! their loss! But you know what.. YOU WIN SOME YOU LOOSE SOME. have i profiled before, yes!! But it usually works well for me.

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    Thanks for going easy on me guys I felt bad mostly because I try so hard not to do that since I've missed out on money in the past by being "selective" and I've also been presently surprised by going outside my box. Also, I don't know if they actually saw the look on my face, but they did see the waitress trying to convince me to come over there and me shaking my head "no".

    None came in today; next time, if I'm invited over, I'll at least visit for a few songs.


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    Well, if they were Pistons, I totally understand. If they were Spurs, dammit, show some hometown spirit!

    I dunno, I will at least check out a table if a waitress requests, but yeah, if you know it's going to be nonstop "come hang with us after work" and you're not in the mood to deal with that, fuck it.

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    Racial profiling is necessary in this line of work because our time is money, we can't afford to waste valuable seconds and minutes entertaining people who don't look like there going to give us money! I do know how those black basketball players felt when you decided not to dance for them; especially here in Connecticut where most bars are segregated (whites/hispanics dance here ... blacks/hispanics dance over there). White dancers view black guys as cheap and just looking to molest them, so they avoid us like the plague (and yes, it hurts my feelings!) I operate a stripper agency in Connecticut, too ( I hate my people, we're so embarassing, and I'm forced to tell my dancers the same thing; avoid black guys if you want to make money (Arab guys are also a no-no! boy do they stink!).


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    I danced for some of the Spurs a few weeks ago and they were totally cool once they were relaxed and had some drinks........I've had good luck with Astros, Pillies, and Houston Texans as well.

    The assholes are the rinky dink minor league team Round Rock Express who come into the club. THEY like to ash their cigars on dancer's heads onstage...fucksticks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctstriptease1
    Racial profiling is necessary in this line of work because our time is money, we can't afford to waste valuable seconds and minutes entertaining people who don't look like there going to give us money! I do know how those black basketball players felt when you decided not to dance for them; especially here in Connecticut where most bars are segregated (whites/hispanics dance here ... blacks/hispanics dance over there). White dancers view black guys as cheap and just looking to molest them, so they avoid us like the plague (and yes, it hurts my feelings!) I operate a stripper agency in Connecticut, too (www.ct-striptease.com); I hate my people, we're so embarassing, and I'm forced to tell my dancers the same thing; avoid black guys if you want to make money (Arab guys are also a no-no! boy do they stink!).
    Umm, CT, I can't tell if you're being facetious or not, but I justt want to make a few things crystal-freaking-clear:

    1) I was NOT racially profiling. I was "occupation-profiling". I don't care if the basketball player is Black, White, or purple; sports entertainers (including golfers and football players) can be assholes as far as I'm concerned and tend to go for a certain girl (not my skinny behind). There are a few exceptions of course (I will dance for one NBA player in particular and his entourage), but generally speaking, it doesn't work in my favor.

    2) I'm mixed, but consider myself (for census purposes and what people assume I am) Black. I'm no undercover, self-hating racist who would tell fellow dancers to stay away from Black men. And there's no way in hell I'd work at a "segregated" club. How f*d up is that?

    And the Arab thing is so not cool. Do you tell your dancers to stay away from stinky/grabby White guys? Or is their funk/grabbiness not so bad by virtue of them being White?

    3) Those guys did spend a nice chunk of change on dancers, the majority of whom were White dancers (not a big surprise considering there were only two Black dancers there that night), the other Black dancer, and a couple of Latina dancers. So whether they were trying to show me what I was missing or not, money was spent and a good time was had by all over there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Susan Wayward
    Well, if they were Pistons, I totally understand. If they were Spurs, dammit, show some hometown spirit!

    I dunno, I will at least check out a table if a waitress requests, but yeah, if you know it's going to be nonstop "come hang with us after work" and you're not in the mood to deal with that, fuck it.

    LOL!! F*ck the Spurs Just kidding. Although this stupid parade we're having here is going to mess with my moolah this weekend.

    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine
    The assholes are the rinky dink minor league team Round Rock Express who come into the club. THEY like to ash their cigars on dancer's heads onstage...fucksticks...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctstriptease1
    I hate my people, we're so embarassing...
    You know what up until this point, I thought you were a pretty cool, logical guy. But now I see you as nothing more than a yessuh, no sur. I can't stand a house n****.







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    Quote Originally Posted by cinammonkisses
    You know what up until this point, I thought you were a pretty cool, logical guy. But now I see you as nothing more than a yessuh, no sur. I can't stand a house n****.
    Ahahahahahahahahaha!

    I was thinking the same exact thing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cinammonkisses
    You know what up until this point, I thought you were a pretty cool, logical guy. But now I see you as nothing more than a yessuh, no sur. I can't stand a house n****.
    YIKES!! CK, I don't know how my post about something I did wrong ended up contributing to the "don't dance for Black men, they're cheap molesters" camp. So fellow StripperWebbers - I just want to take this oppty to further distance myself as much as possible from CT's line of thinking.



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    No worries about profiling; it's in every part of our lives, despite the efforts to render it politically incorrect or label it ineffectual. Profiling in SCs is no different.

    Pertaining to SCs, I get profiled everytime I go into a club. Everytime. Because I look at least ten years younger than my age--which ostensibly means that I have no money and I'm only looking to score a dancer, I'm almost never approached, except by very experienced dancers with years of work under their belt. I just accept that and move forward, in a particularly aggressive fashion, toward the dancers that interest me. No harm, no foul.

    And we won't discuss how customers profile dancers...otherwise I'll get moderated for sure.

    If you learn to profile well, that just means that you're becoming more efficient about your business and that's a good thing. You can only handicap your predictions so much.
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    Amethyst,

    The RR Express guys come in all the time. They will buy drinks, but I've never seen them buy dances. When girls are up on stage, they like to make fun of them to the other dancers sitting with them, call them fat, etc. There are a few that are nice and tip me onstage, but I never approach them. Plus, I went to high school in Houston with some of them and don't need to re-hash the past.....

    And I can't believe in this day and age that there are still so many haters out there. I do VERY well with guys of all races, especially black guys and middle eastern guys. None of them stink, or are any more grabby than anyone else. They aren't cheap at all.......oh well, different experiences...I like to look at the cumulative more than specifics....

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    Just my .02 here folks, but we ALL make snap judgments of people, whether we want to admit it or not. If anything, I think the first step towards mitigating such behavior in the future, is to admit guilt. Realizing you've made a mistake in judging someone is part of being human and a lesson in life that we all learn the hard way sometimes. I've judged a number of dancers wrongly too over the years.

    There's a world of difference however, in making a wrongful snap judgment and being an outright bigot.
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    athletes and rock stars = attitudes about getting something for nothing.

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    So I was in the dressing room last night, and one of the other girls at the club said,

    "I have to tell y'all what happened to me last night. This black guy comes up to me at the bar, you know, and he's like, 'Let me ask you a question. Are you black?' I'm like, 'Yeah.' [she is, there's no doubt about it, doesn't even look mixed]

    Then he says, 'Don't take this the wrong way, but as a black man, I gotta say, I HATE BLACK BITCHES! Man these black bitches in here, they won't come up to you, won't talk to you, nothin'!'
    And this motherfucker, he smells like he took a can of sardines and rubbed it all over him. He's talking and spit's goin' everywhere! Oh my god, he would not shut up about 'black bitches, I should write a book!' And I'm just thinking, 'Can you not see me?'"

    She profiled him, hah hah. Fuh-reak.

    I will profile the guy in athletic shorts, but other than that, my profiling's not really racial. It's more age and behavior related.

    Amythest, now my curiosity is piqued about which player you'll dance for. Texas team?

    Oh yeah, we looked up the Spurs management on www.fundrace.org. Funny site.

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    You don't have to dance for anyone that you don't want to PERIOD!
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    Quote Originally Posted by screaminpeachez
    You don't have to dance for anyone that you don't want to PERIOD!
    Very true indeed.

    But if you just do dances for the ones you want to,we aint going to make alot of money at the end of the night.

    I would say you dont have to dance for ones ya cant tolerate,all the rest yes.

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    I hope you care if the person is purple. That means they're choking and need mouth to mouth! O_O

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