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    The 9/11 families have come out in full force to show their distaste of the Bush administration's sick practice of politicizing 9/11. It's happened many times in the last few years and it will inevitably happen again but the 9/11 families are pissed at Karl Rove's latest comments.

    First off on tonight's 'Hardball' two family members of 9/11 victims appeared. They were of different political stripes but they agreed that the Bush administration hasn't made us safer and the war in Iraq has been a disaster.

    The video and the MP3 of 'Hardball' at DEMbloggers.com

    Next on 'Countdown' Keith had a 9/11 widow on as a guest. She attacked Karl Rove for politicizing the attacks and then went after Bush for not making America safer since the attacks. I have also posted the video and the MP3 of the 9/11 widow's appearance on tonight's 'Countdown'.

    the video and the MP3 of the 9/11 widow's appearance on 'Countdown' over at DEMbloggers.com

    When will the Bush administration get it's act together and work to make America safer rather than trying to acquire oil

    These families have firsthand experience with the failures of our government and we owe them a listen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weekend Reports
    The 9/11 families have come out in full force to show their distaste of the Bush administration's ...

    First off on tonight's 'Hardball' two family members of 9/11 victims appeared. They were of different political stripes but they agreed that the Bush administration hasn't made us safer and the war in Iraq has been a disaster...

    Next on 'Countdown' Keith had a 9/11 widow on as a guest. She attacked Karl Rove for politicizing the attacks and then went after Bush for not making America safer since the attacks...
    And they know this for certain how? I wasn't aware losing a family member entitled someone to access to classified intelligence on terrorism. The fact of the matter is, the only thing these people know about islamic extremists' capablilities to wage terror against us is what they hear on TV. They claim Bush hasn't done enough. Fine, what would they have him do?
    These families have firsthand experience with the failures of our government and we owe them a listen.
    That's like saying being in a car wreck makes me an expert on auto safety. The fact that they regrettably lost a loved one on 9/11 doesn't make their opinion any more informed than mine.
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    Oh, yeah. Totally ignoring 10,000 people a year slipping across the border really makes America safer. It doesn't matter how good the security alarm is if it doesn't apply to the open back door.

    Bush has not made America safer. Any idiot with a compass can get into the United States.

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    Totally ignoring 10,000 people a year slipping across the border really makes America safer.
    Try one million a year.
    Idealism is fine, but as it approaches reality, the costs become prohibitive.

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    The other big stink is that the families of the deceased officers as a result of combat have yet to see any money that the gov is supposed to pay out.

    But, of course...we really didn't need to hear it from the families...we already knew it. Some people are more willing to look the other way...but we all know the truth.

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    Idealism is fine, but as it approaches reality, the costs become prohibitive.

    William F. Buckley, Jr.

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    If I remember right, there were over 3,000 fatalities in the 9/11 attacks. Bringing in the survivors of less than .1% of the fatalities does not comprise any kind of great sampling.

    What Destiny said. The survivors of the victims have no special insight into what comprises sound policy.

    What Melonie said a while back. Is the country safer now? I guess that's a matter of perception and a look into the future, but I'm hard-pressed to point to any other terrorist fatalities in the U.S. since 9/11 and the anthrax envelopes soon after.

    Of course, that safety, if it's there, doesn't apply to our sons and daughters in the Armed Forces, who are in harm's way in a country that apparently was not the terrorism exporters and WMD developers that we were led to believe just before we went in.

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    Bringing in the survivors of less than .1% of the fatalities does not comprise any kind of great sampling.
    Agreed ... the news media could just as well have rolled out two different families who would have called for the execution of every Gitmo prisoner (obviously the media has reasons to select the particular families that they did !).

    who are in harm's way in a country that apparently was not the terrorism exporters and WMD developers that we were led to believe just before we went in.
    I would once again point out that this postulate is far from proven fact. There were multiple reports from many different intelligence sources that, during our two week delay just prior to landing in Iraq while Turkey waffled over allowing US troops to cross Turkish soil, large truck convoys were sighted crossing both the Syrian and Iranian borders. Thus the fact that no public announcement of a 'smoking gun' WMD discovery in Iraq has been released by the news media does NOT necessarily mean that a WMD discovery hasn't been made but is being kept under wraps, and does NOT necessarily mean that the WMD hardware that was reported to be in Iraq isn't now residing in Syria and/or Iran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    I would once again point out that this postulate is far from proven fact. ...Thus the fact that no public announcement of a 'smoking gun' WMD discovery in Iraq has been released by the news media does NOT necessarily mean that a WMD discovery hasn't been made but is being kept under wraps, and does NOT necessarily mean that the WMD hardware that was reported to be in Iraq isn't now residing in Syria and/or Iran.
    Agreed, but I'm not trying to prove, nor would I, that WMD's did not exist in Iraq. Obviously, poison gas was used during the suppression of the Kurds - and frankly, I'd be relieved if such evidence were found. And it's only my logic, but it's sound logic based on actual behavior, that tells me that if WMD's were found, the Bush Administration would be happily trumpeting that fact.

    For this single voter, it's up to the Bush Administration to prove that this little venture was justified. You don't prove an allegation by the absence of evidence.

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    Are we safer? Highly doubtful. I mean, there is no gaurantee with anything in life. Stupid fuckers are going to do whatever they feel they want to. If they want to bomb us, or try, they will. I personally think that Bush pointed fingers too abruptly, and now.. here we are... and here I am.. without a husband for a half a year. Oh, but here's the great news, he gets combat pay.. and he gets extra insurance..

    Try opening your mail box while your hubby is deployed asking you to sign the new SGLI for combat war zone insurance... entitling us military spouses a full 100K vs the 10k that is USED to be... it took years for it to be raised... like that is suppose to make ME and our kids feel better.. Don't get me wrong, I'm proud to be an American, but I'm growing tired of the Bombs of mass destruction speech. Our troops are too. And unlike any war, this one, (and I thought I would NEVER say this) was caused pre maturely... at least the second time around.. I still agree with Desert Storm. We had to intervene there. But this time? I'm not so sure anymore.

    My hubby is currently in Iraq. I'm not republican or democrat, in fact, I think more now that I am seeing things first hand of this bullshit, I can't claim any particular party. I don't agree with anything that was said in his speech at fort bragg, and although he is esstentially my hubby's boss.. I'd love to see his reaction to all us military spouses standing up and saying, "bring them home"..

    I get lots of mail, and its always the same type of stuff. Poor attitudes and young troops who don't even know why we are there, and then the reaction to some of the local Iraqi's that are there.. spitting on them, throwing trash, feces etc.. they don't want us there why the hell are we? I say let them blow themselves up. Our whole purpose to be there has been to keep things in neutral, but its not the case whatsoever.

    He admitted that Hussein was not the reason for 9/11.. I'm sure that many of the guys over there are just thrilled to hear that one finally after what.. three years of temps over 118 degrees, MRE's, and 16 hour days.

    I never post in this forum.. I'm just pissed off today.


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    Speake it Gyn...

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    i can see the problem if they actually were supposed to care about america as were told
    but its not like they make any excuses
    theyre forward with their fucking
    and thats as american as itgets
    in the true sense

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gynger
    ...I'm growing tired of the Bombs of mass destruction speech. Our troops are too...
    Part of me wishes some CIA spooks had planted a bunch of fake WMD evidence in Iraq for our military to find. I already know this administration is full of shit. Planting evidence would have made very little practical difference.

    This way, at least our armed forces in Iraq would be able to hold their head higher, and the rest of the world wouldn't have total contempt for us.

    This administration is astonishlingy incapable of learning from history. Rumsfeld is already planning a sequel to the disastrous plan we tried to implement in Vietnam called "Vietnamization" of that conflict. I'm losing the enthusiasm for being an American I once had.

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    Bush is not a wartime president. Truman was. FDR was.
    For all of presidential canidate Kerry's faults, he was a war veteran.
    Isn't it said that the mark of a good leader is a man who wouldn't ask the men under his command to do anything he would not do himself....? Would Bush really go to the front in Iraq if asked? Is he too good for that?

    Sigh. All we're getting is an expensive lesson, and OPEC is still your Daddy.

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    ^ in fairness, Truman or FDR wouldn't have gone to the front either (especually FDR, i'm sure the Nazis would have trembled at the sight of FDR hobbling after them with blood in his eye).

    Not many leaders outside of Alexander the Great or Leonidas actually fought with their troops. It's been done, but it's extreamly uncommon.

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