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    It's a shame Novak isn't sitting in jail over his contribution to this scandal.

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    I would like to see reporters' privelege claims nullified as a violation of the equal protection clause. they have no right to defy court orders anymore than I do.

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    ^ I agree.

    Particularly when Valerie Plame's 14th Amendment rights (and due process rights) were violated by Novak and his ilk.
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    This is what I don't get - Novak is the one who goes out and spills the name to 100,000's of readers and in print. What the fuck? At least give the man a fine or something.

    Jill thinks about writing an article, decides against it - and is facing jail for keeping TWO secrets. If there is anyone in the whole bunch who can keep her mouth shut it is her.

    The other guy spills the beans LIKE Novak, but he catches the shit.

    I believe in press priviledge. If there is corruption and bullshit going on - the public has a right to know and the press had better say something to keep the republic in good shape.

    Part of what I think is going wrong is that the press has been acting incredibly foolish. Who wants to give that kind of right to a bunch of fools? So much of the "press" is becoming the "tabloid" and people don't take what they say seriously anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by montythegeek
    I would like to see reporters' privelege claims nullified as a violation of the equal protection clause. they have no right to defy court orders anymore than I do.
    ^ I agree.

    Particularly when Valerie Plame's 14th Amendment rights (and due process rights) were violated by Novak and his ilk.
    I'm somewhat confused by these comments. I can see how what Novak did to Plame might be stretched to be a tort issue, primarily an interference or privacy claim based on his political malice towards her husband, but I believe journalists have a wide lattitude as long as the have reasonable belief the facts are accurate. It is also possible he may have puther in considerable danger, but again I think reporters have wide lattitude on this.

    Novak may in fact be guilty of treason. I haven't seen this argued without the usual partisan hyperbole.

    Of course reporters have no right to defy Court orders. The question is whether the Court properly issued the order under the journalist shield doctrine. In California this doctrine is a state Constitutional protection. However, the law allows for an exception, which applies to this case. If a criminal defendant seeks information which may lead to an exoneration, and several other factors, a judge can order it revealed. This Court issued these orders under long standing broader Federal exceptions to the doctrine. Nothing new here.

    How is this an equal protection or due process issue? Certainly it is for any criminal defendants accused of leaking the information that may be innocent. Is that what you guys are refering to?

    This will go down, and won't clean up jack. The prick Novak is still free as a bird. Journalism is not the profession it once was. When Fox "news" passes as news and Jason Blair publishes reams of fiction in the NYTimes, I wonder if the PRC based "People's Daily" is more credible. Speaking of that, I wonder if Cheney used to write for Pravda. No doubt Pravda had numerous headlines during their Afganistan war sing his tune "the insurrection is in it's last throes."

    I need to start reading Pravda more. Check THIS out:
    http://funreports.com/fun/10-11-2004/1134-0

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    Now that Time Inc. has turned over documents to federal court, presumably revealing who its reporter, Matt Cooper, identified as his source in the Valerie Plame/CIA case, speculation runs rampant on the name of that source, and what might happen to him or her. Tonight, on the syndicated McLaughlin Group political talk show, Lawrence O'Donnell, senior MSNBC political analyst, claimed to know that name--and it is, according to him, top White House mastermind Karl Rove.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stant
    Novak may in fact be guilty of treason. I haven't seen this argued without the usual partisan hyperbole.
    That is because he is a conservative, and while the conservatives like to say they don't like to fight - they are usually the one's starting the fights. They are not going to start a fight with one of their own.

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