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    From what I've read here, there really aren't a lot of industry standards for strip clubs. Some clubs pay their dancer a base salary, while in others, the dancer pays the club for use of their stage. Some places take a cut of tips, others you keep your tips and pay a lfat fee. Is there any rundown to how these work?

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    there is no reason either way, but generally speaking the club will take more in better clubs. There is usually a house fee and a cut of lap dance/VIP money. Clubs don't usually take any of the tip money though.

    Bascially, the more desirable a club is to work in (more $$$) the more demand it it. They have more girls wanting to work there and they will have their hand out for more. Everyone's in this for the money, just some are better at it than others!

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    The overwhelming majority of us clubs do the independent contractor with a 1099 statement not a w-2 employee wage statement. I'd say if is 80 per cent IC and 20 per cent
    minimum wage employee.

    The change occured when dancers could do semi private dances near the tables
    (or sometimes on the tables) ,collect bigger money for private VIP rooms, and then the lap dance developed in the early to mid 1990's. If I have the time progression wrong somebody correct me please.

    With more and higher hourly fees for dancers, the stage tips and minimum wage compensation began to be less prevelant. (My opinion).

    Also my opinion. Old style valet parking, and doormen who you must tip to get a table.
    While doormen and needed as extra security, they can be compensated by the girls
    in better show clubs, and the customer still pays the freight in the end.

    My opinion is they would provide better dancer security and less hassle to the customers and dancers. However the northeast and Chicago area are still tied in to the
    "doorman is your guy" and you need him... when actually it is just a way to control
    where a customer sits and to funnel non busy dancers to the new customer.
    to the discriminating customer and in fact is counter productive, expensive, and annoying.
    In otherwords dooman/floorman as a faciliation agent is totally not needed.

    DJ as central accounting area for sign in by reporting time for dancers puts some DJS in semi management role and I think is a good idea if you have the right DJ's.

    Some emphasis on dancing skills is in my opinion important but I am becoming out voted on this. My personal recipe for sucess is full nude, full bar, light kitchen, about 4,000 to
    7,000 SK with two to four stages. VIP room on second story to seperate it from
    first floor but with a view of first floor action. Essential is more than one bar.

    Light to no contact in a trade off with the authorities for full nude and table side dances.
    (This also makes me unpopular but I bet its a business winner.)

    Free and adequate patroled parking lot (with cameras). Make valet an option for high rollers not required.

    All dancers and employees have to breathalize each night at end of shift with no exceptions.
    Dancers whould have to do valet with a bouncer to escort each early and shift change dancer to car. No exceptions. Boyfriends husbands should not excort dancer to car and in fact should scram and not be on premises at closing time. After all obsessed customers don't know they are the boyfriend so it looks bad. Obsessed customers do know who the bouncers are.

    Finally good professional bouncers/security are generally bad doormen/floormen.
    Thats why you should get rid of the obnoxious doorman/floorman as in reality un needed if you have a real security staff. (For background see movie roadhouse staring Patrick Swaze.)

    By all means sell VIP club memberships and give them free admission if you have a real
    VIP setup. Don't charge guys who want to blue 500 to a grand extra money for taking a
    dancer to VIP. I think I'd walk out if they did that to me.

    Visability from main highway and large high lighted signs are nice. Never open or run a strip club with the real estate down in a hole. Always go for some visability.

    Try for growth suburbs or rural areas near major highways. Blighted inner suburbs will not attract the customers with real money. This is easy to say and hard to do I know...
    but generally not locating in vacant industrial areas is a good idea unless you can create location with enough mass and other uses like bars and restaurants. You might be able to create a lcoation, but you can't easily create freeway access ramps. remember that.

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    Niceguy has covered all of the basics here, with one exception. The IRS and state labor dept's in many states are on record in supporting the position that the degree of control exercised by most strip clubs over dancers technically classifies them as falling into 'employee' status, thus technically requiring that the club pay dancers a 'tipped' minimum wage plus employer's share of SSI plus workmen's comp/disability premiums plus reporting dancers' tipped income etc. Obviously the vast majority of clubs do not want to do this and in fact do not do it. However, this creates a risk factor if/when the club is audited.

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    I assume from your question that you are thinking of buying/starting your own club. First, let me wish you the best of luck. Second, I'd encourage you to think outside the box. You're asking how most clubs are run. That's a good start. But just because most clubs are run that way, that doesn't necessarily mean that's the best way. I'm certainly no business expert, but most clubs I've been in were poorly managed. Management hires every attractive girl that comes through the door, throws her out on the floor in 6" shoes and a g-string with no training whatsoever expecting her to somehow magically figure out how to sell dances. That virtually assures most girls will fail. Then they complain about the high turnover among dancers.

    I'm convinced there is a ton of money to be made by the guy or girl that figures out a better business model for strip clubs. Why can't that guy be you? I think such a new business model would involve creating a more shared interest between the dancers and management. An unscientific poll I did awhile back showed that lots of customers leave the club with cash they had planned to spend, but for one reason or another didn't. If a customer walks into a club prepared to spend $300 on some fun and walks out with $200 still in his pocket, the club has failed. But that happens more than you might think. If you figure out how to get just a little bit more of that money left in your club, you will be own your way to success. I'm not talking about unfairly taking advantage of the customer, or doing something illegal. I'm talking about fulfilling the customers wants.

    Lastly, the thing to remember is this. Strip clubs are not bars. Yes I know, most clubs sell booze. But the guys aren't coming there because the $5 beers are so much colder than elswhere. They're coming there for the girls. Strip clubs are entertainment venues. I know that seems obvious, but there are a lot of owners/managers that seem to forget that.
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    you are so right about that Destiny. Clubs should offer sales training!

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    Thank you Destiny, for such wonderful discussion.
    When I got started, got thrown to the lion's den, both figuratively and literally.
    But that is just the nature of the buisiness. There is no money in training.
    You either got the "knack" or you ain't got it.
    I guess I was lucky, Yeah, I guess.

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    I agree with Destiny with the exception of the liqurer license. If you have to trade off
    being pastie for the bar, don't do it and don't open. Go to plan B C or D and look for another location.

    Having a full bar is essential in my opinion to the successful attributes of a sound money making club.

    About taking the customers last dime, that would be more likely to happen with me with a
    couple of drinks and close to zero in a juice bar.

    Alot of guys just come to the strip club to relax for a bit not stay eight hours. Clubs that hassle me if I'm in a non VIP yet table side dance mood will not find me stopping by.

    Better to get $30 to $100 from 40 guys for two hours than just $500 from two guys without the 40 guys.

    There isn't a formula, but the basics seem to be, full nude, full bar, light contact, good
    (but not great stage shows) on more than one stage, more than one bar, and enough space for both dancers to avoid customers they don't want to be with and for customers to avoid dancers they don't want to be with. (While attraction is mutual, sometimes so is dislike.)

    A VIP lounge plus rooms are essential for high profit, and having it on a second floor is ideal for access control. Example Friday and Saturday nights in VIP lounge should be members only, or for customers the dancer has invited up. You want some exclusivity, but
    extorting $100 to $200 for the priviledge of going upstairs is a big turn off.

    I think the ability to serve chucken nuggets, hamburgers and the all important salads
    is a good touch and lets you at least say you are a restaurant.

    The Cheatahs Aluvia (sp?) restaurant in Atlanta is actually a good restaurant. Maybe not a great restaurant but arguably a good one.

    Over doing a restaurant can cause a drain on overhead so don't go overboard unless you are in a very upscale area and place. Not only do you have to feed the customers (if they pay) but you might have to feed the employees from an efficency standpoint.

    This is a variation of the the old corporate provided cafeteria to minimize lunch breaks.
    Perhaps not needed if you are in a growth area with Chilis, applebees and fast food around but very needed if you are in the middle of no where, if just for convenince and logistics.

    Also if you are oen to 4 a.m., but all the bars restaurants and Mc Donalds close at 1 a.m.
    you will still need some food up to say 3 a.m. or so.

    Lot's of logistics, facilities, and design questions on a club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niceguy
    I agree with Destiny with the exception of the liqurer license. If you have to trade off
    being pastie for the bar, don't do it and don't open. Go to plan B C or D and look for another location.
    In some cases, that location may be in another state.

    Having a full bar is essential in my opinion to the successful attributes of a sound money making club.

    About taking the customers last dime, that would be more likely to happen with me with a
    couple of drinks and close to zero in a juice bar.
    There's not a SC in this country that wouldn't like to have a full bar setup. The ones that have a beer only, BYOB, or no alcohol setup do so because the authorities have relegated them to that. Its either that or have their dancers in full bikinis.

    There isn't a formula, but the basics seem to be, full nude, full bar,
    I've been to Texas, Iowa, Oklahoma, and Colorado in the past year. In those states full nude/full bar is simply not an option.

    I think the ability to serve chucken nuggets, hamburgers and the all important salads
    is a good touch and lets you at least say you are a restaurant.
    Unfortunately, serving food also can handcuff the owner to the same health restrictions that restauraunts have to abide by. Do you like your dancers to take their shoes off? Well in a club where food is served, that's often a no-no.

    Perhaps not needed if you are in a growth area with Chilis, applebees and fast food around but very needed if you are in the middle of no where, if just for convenince and logistics.
    A lot of clubs (at least where I've been) are nowhere near such mainstream businesses. Many are in dilapidated parts of town, industrial parks, or in rural areas outside the reach of city limits because local authorities have zoned them there. Even in that glorious bastion of sin Las Vegas this is true.

    Also if you are oen to 4 a.m., but all the bars restaurants and Mc Donalds close at 1 a.m.
    you will still need some food up to say 3 a.m. or so.
    No, that's what Denny's and IHOP are for. If a club can offer late night dining then wonderful. If in doing so, they have to restict the operation of the primary entertainment to do so, then its more hinderance than help. Needless to say, while some folks may prefer food service, 98% of SC customers do not go there to eat. I think in ten years, I've eaten at a club maybe once.

    Lot's of logistics, facilities, and design questions on a club.
    Indeed. But most club owners who have bad facilities or locations didn't acquire those mistakes by choice. They have them because that was the only option that the authorities or their budget would allow them to have. Its hard for club owners to invest in capital inprovements or a new building when they're paying $100K+ a year in legal expenses and other enticements to the local cops, just to keep their "bad" facility operating.

    To reiterate what Destiny said, "Strip clubs are not bars." Which is absolutely correct. They are sexually oriented businesses.

    SOB's are also not like the corner cafe or the local dollar store. Barring a deep change in public opinion which I don't see coming anytime soon in this NIMBY gone mad country, local authorities are not going to let such places operate like mainstream businesses anytime soon. If they did, much of what Niceguy proposed would already be reality.
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    Yes, and with this week's Supreme Court Ruling these non-supportive city politicians now have a new tool in their bag of tricks to close down strip clubs ... simply encourage some developer to approach the city with a plan for ANY sort of other business, condemn the strip club under 'eminent domain', and poof your investment in a club gets handed back to you in the form of a check for the assessed value of the property. But when you go to look for a new property on which to rebuild/reopen, you'll find that recently enacted zoning laws have iced you out.

    IMHO, in today's political climate, it's impossible to initially buy politicians and cops in order to get a new strip club open and then expect them to 'stay bought' ! A strip club is the LAST place I would consider investing money today.

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    Didn't say it was easy, but there is a definite trend to slowly improving real estate fundamentals on clubs, and improved facilities. If a new club owner can cover the basics
    and get a better facility, the older facility which is in a marginal political or business
    facility or location due to constraints, will slowly find business going to better facility
    through time especially one that covers the basics.

    Final thought. A club that covers the basics and can say it is clean, new, big, and with some food service on site stands a much better chance of approval.

    If you have an IHOP or Dennys in the area you have some infa structure. If you have no
    such uses the restaurant on site becomes more important.

    See my thread on Waffle House.

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    Final thought. A club that covers the basics and can say it is clean, new, big, and with some food service on site stands a much better chance of approval.
    Yes, but improving the chances of approval from 2% to 20% is still a LONG way from getting that zoning variance needed to open up a new club next to a Waffle House.

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    I did not mean to imply that alcohol sales could not, or should not, be an important contributor to a sucessful club's bottom line. What I meant to emphasize was that booze is not the main attraction in a strip club. I'm guessing the average strip club customer drives past a half a dozen "regular" bars on his way to the strip club. He's going for the girls, not the booze. Like I said, you'd think all managers would understand that. You'd be wrong.

    The main point I was trying to make is that with the current strip club structure, the interests of the dancers and those of the owner too often seem to be at odds. An example is off-hours drink specials and stuff like that. I worked for a very short time at a club that ran daily drink specials in the middle of the afternoons. When I first started, I thought, great, that will mean the customers will have more money to spend on me. The reality was that the specials mainly attracted cheap customers looking for a cheap thrill from the stage show. Very few of those customer ever bought any dances and most left when the price of booze kicked up to its regular price. While the arrangement did provide some additional income to the club during a slow time, it did nothing for my bottom line.

    In my opinion, a more sucessful club would be one that brought the interests of the dancer's and those of management more closely in line. One idea I had was a higher cover charge, but one that would include a coupon for a dance. What if instead of a $5 cover charge, the club had a $25 cover, but with that you got a coupon good for a "free" dance? The club could redeem the coupons from the girls for $15. The way I see it, if you're not planning on buying at least one dance, you shouldn't go to a strip club. The club would make an extra $5 with each entrant. The girls might not like dancing for $15. But in then long run, the dancers would benefit from the club weeding out the customers just looking for a free stage show and insuring that the customers that came had at least a little money to spend. Would such a system work? I have no idea, but the point is, has anyone tried? Like I said, if management and dancers worked together better, they both could benefit more. It must be possible. How do other entertaiment venues do it? How do other sales operations do it? I'm just saying people should always be looking for better ways to do things.
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    High covers work in high demand upscale markets i.e. SCORES and PEC in Manhattan - where the high cover charge and generally high cost of a night at these clubs is somewhat of a status symbol, in a very 'stratified' town. Most tourists and low rollers concerned about their overall spending total will of course head to different, less expensive, less exclusive clubs. Of course, for this to work in a different city, there would have to be a sufficient number of potential customers who emphasize class and don't count dollars to make such an upscale club viable from a volume standpoint, which so far has met with mixed success (i.e. the SCORES franchise program).

    I agree that at a theoretical level, a club with 'enlightened' management and dancers who willing to make a 'long term' investment of their time and effort could work out fantastic. However, it has been my experience that reality always rears its ugly head - either in the form of greedy/power hungry management or greedy/rules are optional girls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destiny
    In my opinion, a more sucessful club would be one that brought the interests of the dancer's and those of management more closely in line. One idea I had was a higher cover charge, but one that would include a coupon for a dance. What if instead of a $5 cover charge, the club had a $25 cover, but with that you got a coupon good for a "free" dance? The club could redeem the coupons from the girls for $15. The way I see it, if you're not planning on buying at least one dance, you shouldn't go to a strip club. The club would make an extra $5 with each entrant. The girls might not like dancing for $15. But in then long run, the dancers would benefit from the club weeding out the customers just looking for a free stage show and insuring that the customers that came had at least a little money to spend. Would such a system work? I have no idea, but the point is, has anyone tried?
    If there could ever be an accurate assessment of SC customer demographics taken, I think that it would conclude with the exception of those frequenting the upscale show clubs Melonie mentioned, that most customers do not bring enough money to a club to buy so much as a single dance, but they do bring in enough money to pay for the cover and maybe a round of drinks. While those customers are of little value to the dancers, the fact is that they do make money for the bar operation. Clubs are not going to help their dancers play to a more affluent client base if it means a downturn in the alcohol revenue.

    say for instance, I go into a club alone with $300 and buy ten dances. Three 22 year olds come in with $20 apiece and buy none. I am obviously a more valuable customer to the dancers, but am I neccesarily more valuable to the club? I pay one cover charge and buy two drinks. The college aged boys pay three cover charges and buy six. Unless the club is taking a cut of the dance money, or I'm doing something to add to the club's coffers like buying expensive alcohol or going to VIP, the answer is usually no.

    It also needs to be considered that those who do buy dances expect a bit better quality asssurance in exchange for their money. If a club is going to make me prepay for a dance as part of the admission price, they better be able to assure me that there will be a number of dance eligible candidates waiting for me when I get in. Sadly I've been to a few clubs in the past year where I saw no such candidate. I don't consider myself cheap, but I hate forking over good money in exchange for a mystery prize.
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    Sadily, most of the foregone statments are true. But I just happen to work sometimes full time and sometiems part time. There are better ways to do buisiness, but being an employee, have to follow established rules and procedures.
    One rule being, if a girl leaves a customer and goes back "out", some time will have to lapse before he can be hit upon again. I have no idea, if this is just a "breather" rule.
    Well, the customer is ready for another girl. But nobody approaches. What eventually happens is that the customer leaves in frustration.

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    I wasn't looking for investment advice so much as trying to understand working conditions, but this is all fascinating.

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    Ah, but you used the magic business analysis operating term "business model" insgtead of operating conditions. Just kidding. We haven't had the business model argument in a couple of months so it was time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish
    ...say for instance, I go into a club alone with $300 and buy ten dances. Three 22 year olds come in with $20 apiece and buy none. I am obviously a more valuable customer to the dancers, but am I neccesarily more valuable to the club? I pay one cover charge and buy two drinks. The college aged boys pay three cover charges and buy six. Unless the club is taking a cut of the dance money, or I'm doing something to add to the club's coffers like buying expensive alcohol or going to VIP, the answer is usually no...
    Doc, thanks for illustrating my point. What you described is a classic case of the interests of the club and the interests of the dancers being at odds with each other. Of course, in the situation you described, the girls eventually get tired of putting on free stage shows and making little or no money. The best girls then move on to greener pastures and the club begins a downward spiral. I say that long-term, its in the best interests of the club to insure that most customers coming through the door have at least some interest in spending some money on dances.
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    To a very large degree, clubs that do NOT take a percentage cut of dancers' VIP and private dance money are actually operating on a different 'business model' than the dancers themselves. In this business model, club earnings come primarilu from fixed up-front stage fees charged to the dancers, and fixed cover charges and drink minimums charged to the customers, neither of which directly relates to the amount of actual dancer earnings. This business model does indeed emphasize customer volume over per-capita customer spending. This structure also tends to provide a dis-incentive to marginal dancers (the high fixed stage fee that they may not earn back) and a strong incentive to top of the line dancers (who get to keep essentially all of the VIP/private dance money they generate).

    It is really only when the fixed up-front stage fees are done away with in favor of a percentage split of dancer's VIP/private dance money with the club that the club's business model and the dancers' business model starts to converge. However, this structure tends to provide an incentive for marginal dancers (if you don't earn much you don't pay much) and a strong dis-incentive for top of the line dancers (who get whacked for a large number of dollars having to pay 25-33-50% of the VIP/private dance revenue they generate to the club).

    With either approach it is absolutely necessary for the club as a whole to attract X number of 'customer dollars' through the front door every night. The first business model tends to be 'feast or famine', where the second business model tends to be more sustainable .... PROVIDED that the club using the second business model does not alienate too many top of the line dancers such that it is no longer able to attract that necessary X number of 'customer dollars'. This generally requires that the 'percentage' club find and establish a relationship with a number of top of the line dancers who are willing to sacrifice a percentage of their potential earnings in the short term to help the club build a reputation and customer base which will eventually benefit the dancers financially. Typically, most top of the line dancers will not have much patience in this regard, and will quickly jump ship if given an alternative of keeping most/all of their VIP/private dance earnings.

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