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    Angry Live8 kills americans

    Looking for info to change my opinion,cause my opinion about it sucks,maybe someone here can help???

    Just discussion...


    Last time,100,000 million was raised right??

    Bono got a nobel peacepipe.

    Bob Gandolf got to work for the first time in 20 years.

    What did the africans get???
    They still look hungry to me and no better off?

    Did the money get handed to the warlords who basically run the continent??

    Did the money buy the weapons that Americans faced when they landed in somalia??
    Or did the muslim terrorist camps all over north Afraica get some of that money also???
    Did we put a quarter in the live aide jukebox,and play the 9/11 song??

    I didnt see any change after the last concert,not even a ripple really.
    Where did the money go???Did we just buy all of the US Armys surpluse tents and send them over??
    Does the live aide people have to do any kind of reporting on donations??

    I see alot hidden under the curtain of this "super concert".
    I still see alot of hungry Africans.
    I see alot of the middle eastern bad guys taking root in north Africa.

    Exactly what are we doing???
    Someone please tell me how wrong I am???
    someone???
    Anyone???

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    LOL it's not just Live8, the United Way and the Red Cross are also fronts for Al-Qaida

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    on a side note....a peace plan brought to you by robin williams

    I see a lot of people yelling for peace but I have not heard of a plan for
    peace. So, here's one plan.

    1. The US will apologize to the world for our "interference" in their
    affairs, past & present. You know, Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo, Noriega,
    Milosovich and the rest of those good ol' boys: We will never
    "interfere"again.

    2. We will withdraw our troops from all over the world, starting with
    Germany, South Korea and the Philippines. They don't want us there. We
    would station troops at our borders. No one sneaking through holes in
    the fence.

    3. All illegal aliens have 90 days to get their affairs together and
    leave. We'll give them a free trip home. After 90 days the remainder
    will be gathered up and deported immediately, regardless of who or where
    they are. France would welcome them.

    4. All future visitors will be thoroughly checked and limited to 90
    days unless given a special permit. No one from a terrorist nation would be
    allowed in. If you don't like it there, change it yourself and don't
    hide here. Asylum would never be available to anyone. We don't need
    any more cab drivers or 7-11 cashiers.

    5. No "students" over age 21. The older ones are the bombers. If they
    don't attend classes, they get a "D" (for "deport") and it's back home
    baby.

    6. The US will make a strong effort to become self-sufficient energy
    wise. This will include developing non-polluting sources of energy but will
    require a temporary drilling of oil in the Alaskan wilderness. The
    caribou will have to cope for a while.

    7. Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producing countries $10 a barrel
    for their oil. If they don't like it, we go some place else. They can go
    somewhere else to sell their production. (About a week of the wells
    filling up the storage sites would be enough.)

    8. If there is a famine or other natural catastrophe in the world, we
    will not "interfere." They can pray to Allah or whomever for seeds, rain,
    cement or whatever they need. Besides, most of what we give them is
    stolen or given to the Army. The people who need it most get very little, if
    anything.

    9. Ship the UN Headquarters to an isolated island some place. We don't
    need the spies and fair weather friends here. Besides, the building
    would make a good homeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens.

    10. All Americans must go to charm and beauty school. That way no one
    can call us "Ugly Americans" any longer. The language we speak is
    ENGLISH.....learn it...or LEAVE...

    Now, ain't that a winner of a plan.

    The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying "Give me your poor, your
    tired, your huddled masses." She's got a baseball bat and she's yelling, "You
    want a piece of me?"

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    Bah @ Live Aid. In my opinion it was just another way for celebrities to gain more exposure. While there were some that actually opened up their OWN wallets, they were too far and few between. Can you imagine how much it would help them if each of those celebrities had donated about $1-$2 Million each? But no no, they can't do that. They'd rather use their status to persuade people who actually WORK to mail off checks to Gods know where. Bah at it all.

    And, don't get me started on Bono. Bah!

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    I had similar misgivings. If Africa's probelms were primarliy financial, all our previous fundraising would have done more good.

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    wow!!!!

    I didnt know others thought this way,its been nothing but hype from what i have seen??

    wow!

    So is there any reporting done?does anyone know??

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    I agree. It's crap. Not that there's much anyone can do..it's such a horribly tangled problem there, with corrupt governments, evil Shell, DeBeers and tons of others raping (metaphorically, of course) the continent.

    But as much as all that, it's the clash of cultures and the attempted westernization that has screwed them. Each country down there has their own way of doing things, and would be just fine if it weren't for western countries using them and their land, bribing thier governements and most of all telling them that they are not Ok and shouldn't be happy with what they have.

    Are we really so arrogant that we think that without our help 'the poor Africans' will just wither away and die? Well, maybe it's the case now that the floodgates are open with missionaries and colonization have messed them up, and more recently AIDS, but damn!
    Pisses me off.

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    One of my high school teachers told me that his church (LDS) sent millions of dollars' worth of food and supplies to Africa during the famine in Ethiopia...only to have the food rot while it sat in the port, seized by politicians/warlords. And we had an exchange student from Nigeria who told us she remembered people getting hung in her town's main square without a fair trial because....that's just the way it was. Our American ideas about "the right way to do things" are not the same.
    Africa is a vast CONTINENT. Progress will be hard. But it's not right to say, Oh, we can't do anything for them, it's a drop in the bucket........The only thing that evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing! Our world can't be a "global community" while we ignore famine, pestilence and plague in Africa.
    As for Bono and Geldof, they come from a country not unfamiliar with poverty and civil war. People are the same everywhere. Governments will roll over on the helpless and powerless to get what they want. The idea now is to find ways for African countries to be self-sufficent...there's the old adage about give a man a fish, fed for 1 day, teach him to fish, feed him forever. That is the idea now.

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    My boyfriend and I were just talking about this the other night. Their government is totally corrupt, the real needy never see the money or the benefits of it. LiveAid is a total bunch of crap. Until the real problem of the corrupt "warlords" is changed, LiveAid is worthless.

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    I have not gone to Africa, but I have collected many stories from people who lived there or visited. (Until more of Africa is safer, the main tourists will be "Great White Hunters"- not good!) These people cannot be written off. Africa varies widely by region- South, West, North, etc. Black, white, in-between. They're people just like you and me.
    Until the quality of life there improves, there will be a glut of immigration from Africa to Europe and other countries (like the US.) Helping them is helping us in the long run. There may come a day when we'll suffer a cruel blow of fate (flu pandemic, terrorist attack, natural disaster) and we'll need allies.

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    Take a look at the goat projects. Now there is something that makes a difference.

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    `it better kill americans cos the philly lineup is the worst fucking concert lineup ive ever inmylife seen
    haha
    if it doesntr kill them
    i will

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    I have not gone to Africa, but I have collected many stories from people who lived there or visited.
    Here's another- when I was in East Africa, what bugged me the MOST was the Coca-Cola ads everywhere. They don't have the rules that we do that advertising has to be true, I guess, and Coca-Cola was advertised as such: (paraphrased) "Coca-Cola, with vegetable extracts! Energy for you and the family". Yuppers. Vegetable extracts, because apparently the color is derived from vegetable dye. So basically, bottled water and Coke cost the same amount...guess what people bought for their babies?

    It's shit like that, a million fold, that has fucked those countries up, imo.

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    thats some sick shit yo

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    Each country down there has their own way of doing things, and would be just fine if it weren't for western countries using them and their land, bribing thier governements and most of all telling them that they are not Ok and shouldn't be happy with what they have.
    Sadly, most of Africa was much better off when they were run by colonial powers...like it or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer
    Sadly, most of Africa was much better off when they were run by colonial powers...like it or not.
    Actually they were best off (as are all countries) before any outside influence darkened their doorstep. Once the outsiders tried to "help civilize" the people (and direct profits to another country) it all gets fucked up. Ask the native Americans, Aborigines, slaves (started in colonial Africa time...oh my yes a great time to be black!)...etc.

    If Live8 was meant to be a fundraiser, I'd look them up in Guidestar.org and see how they are structured (most legit nonprofits get listed there after a year or so), but as their website says THEY DON'T WANT YOUR MONEY (http://www.live8live.com). The series is aimed at raising awareness and putting political pressure (through the millions of fans who will call/send letters/etc) on the G8 countries that have fucked up the continent and the world for so long. Hiding profit and bigotry behind "a desire to civilize"

    No doubt, these people can (and most do) donate ALOT of money...and since no one here has pointed to links demonstrating that the LiveAid or Live 8 money was misspent, I'll assume we don't know. I'm aware that the money trail went through some bad hands, and that those hands did some terrible things....but the basic question is whether those atrocities were a RESULT of the money or INEVITABLE. Maybe the small amount of good (which could be magnified if the money went through a good charity instead of a goverment) that was done, added to the world opinion, was worth something.

    Same with the attack on the Red Cross and United Way, etc. Until you've sat in on the board discussions, heard that all options suck and you can't really do perfect good...then tried to decide the BEST way to do the MOST good (and both RC and UW do alot of good) you need tobe careful with those statements. RC goes into disasters and war zones, makes sure hospitals have blood whether patients can pay or not, and do alot of other things. UW supports hundreds of charities that couldn't survive without their help, most working with kids and people in need. and both groups raise awareness for problems and work in the "big picture" political games their localaffiliates wouldn't have time or ability to. Yes, there's waste...so is there in every human endeavor. But FAR LESS waste thann in a commercial business, and the waste is working (some small way) in serviceto a mission. We need t be careful about armchair quarterbacking unless we'reout there working a mission and seeing it from the inside.

    As for

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    I couldn't find a quote but I'm sure I read that Geldof was quoted as admitting that most of the food purchased from the Live-Aid proceeds rotted in warehouses. The reason was that Ethiopia's dictator used food as a weapon against his political enemies.

    Why can't Africa feed itself? Simple. Most of the continent is ruled by communist dictators. Communism is notoriously inefficient at fulfilling the basic needs of its people. Despite this, the west continues to pour money into the region. Western nations have given trillions of dollars in aid to Africa over the last few decades. The U.S. alone has trippled its foreign aid to the continent since 2000 (yes during the evil GWB administration) and gives more than any other country on earth. If money were the answer, the problem would have been solved long ago. The real problem is the corrupt dictators that rule much of the continent.

    One purpose of Live8 is to pressue the G8 nations to forgive billions of dollars of debt owed by African countries. While on the surface this sound like a good plan, in the long run I think such a move would be counter-productive. In the future, who in their right minds would ever loan any money to Africa, knowing that political pressure would be brought on them to forgive the loan later?

    The reality is that the hope for Africa is Africans. The way the west can help best is politically and technologically. The west should ostracize these despots and do everything in our power to force them out. Far too often, the west have preferred the stability these evil rulers bring over freedom for their people. Also, go after their private bank accounts which they have filled with the money they looted from their people. Instead of handouts, we should insist that that these nations empower their citizens with real economic choices and fair, free elections. Instead of money, why don't we to help move the continent into the 19th century? We could offer to build hydro-electric damns and provide electicity. A coordinated use of modern pesticides and immunizations could lessen the prevalence of disease. Our modern agricultural methods could help Africa produce all the food it needs on its own. The old saying is "give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime." We don't even need to teach the Africans to fish, all we need to do is give them some fishing poles.
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    Actually, we can help best by fixing the land, leaving the countries AS FAST AS POSSIBLE

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    Darn, I forgot, then they wouldn't know how to manage their diamonds, oil and other resources. Silly me! What would the world do without western nations providing "help" ... Iraq might have missed out on Saddam!

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    Quote Originally Posted by discretedancer
    Actually, we can help best by fixing the land, leaving the countries AS FAST AS POSSIBLE
    The European colonial powers tried that, and as CO pointed out, the results have beeen disastrous. Leave as fast as possible? And let millions die from starvation and preventable disease? No, we can do better than that, and for a lot less than we've wasted so far.
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    Then organize the solution, or join a group and help work toward it. I'll join too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by discretedancer
    Then organize the solution, or join a group and help work toward it. I'll join too!
    Assassination of several Tinpot dictators?

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    Destiny - I'm not particularly politically savvy. But did you say that most countries in Africa are being ruled by communists? Are you sure, or were you joking, or what? My understanding is that the problems in Africa are largely because they are being ruled by (what are essentially) military junta, which are largely funded externally through military aid, etc. But as I said - politics and current events are not really my thing. So which countries in Africa are communist?

    And small point - foreign aid is not all "here is money to buy food for starving fly ridden children". A lot of it (as mentioned above) is military aid to support tinpot dictators because (as Destiny so ably said) they are more stable than emerging democracies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    Destiny - I'm not particularly politically savvy. But did you say that most countries in Africa are being ruled by communists? Are you sure, or were you joking, or what? My understanding is that the problems in Africa are largely because they are being ruled by (what are essentially) military junta, which are largely funded externally through military aid, etc. But as I said - politics and current events are not really my thing. So which countries in Africa are communist?
    Jen, really it's communism is name only most of the time. The real word for it would be Despotism, as it bears an even slimmer relation to Marx than the U.S.S.R. did or China does.

    I mean, call it what it is. If everything starts and stops with one guy who has no term limit, it's a Despotism.

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    Madcap - I'm certainly not able to argue about how closely contemperary communist countries adhere to the manisfesto. But I thought that countried named as communists were limited to Cuba and about 4 countries in east Asia. The only countries in Africa that I know of that EVER had relations with communism or "communism" (depending on your viewpoint) were like 3 - and I don't think that the "problems" there were either started or exacerbated by communists. Or "communists"
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