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    Default How to get them in the champagne room when it's known for extras

    Look guys, i have a problem... i work at a big club with a lot of customers. This club is mostly a room club, where you make the most of your money in the rooms, NOT on the floor. But there's a catch.. alot girls are doing EXTRAS, and not just your usual BJ either..

    I want to make money...that's why I dance. I don't want to be living paycheck to paycheck as a dancer!! What the hell is that?

    I need REALLY GOOD tips on what to say to get them in there, not for EXTRAS but just for everything less than extras. I've tried the "why don't you try it and see" or "Don't worry, I'll take care of you.." etc... I need some good CLOSING techniques, to hook them in.

    Could any of you true hustlers help a girl out?
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    Default Re: How to get them in the champagne room when it's known for extras

    Quote Originally Posted by lalalatina
    and not just your usual BJ either..
    It sucks that we are dancing at the time where BJs have become the usual. Sadly, though its more veterans than newbies giving extras in my club. However, managements is trying to clean everything up so I am hoping for positive changes in the near future.
    I look foward to the suggestions and tips used to get into the champange room. I have thought about creating a fantasy kit where I could dress up and act out their dirty little fantasies for them (In a clean yet fun way). I dunno. I still havent worked out the logistics. But I think it might be worth a shot.
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    Default Re: How to get them in the champagne room when it's known for extras

    Ignore the girls who are doing "more"... focus on selling the rooms to those who are there for the "fantasy" (as such). In the end, if the majority of the punters that walk thru your club's doors are expecting "more" than it is time for you to seriously consider changing clubs.

    Otherwise, there are PLENTY enough VIP, Champagne and whatever type of room threads in Hustle Hut.

    Here's one to get you started: http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51335

    Search for the rest. Seek and you will find.


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    Bait and switch. They won't keep you in there too long, but its long enough if you get a lump sum for champagne... I like to talk dirty to keep them in there longer....not as raunchy as you think....more like, "if you and I were to....." sure they will ask for your # in the end...but its worth it....if they straight up ask you for extras, not worth it!

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    Default Re: How to get them in the champagne room when it's known for extras

    Quote Originally Posted by Hindsight
    managements is trying to clean everything up so I am hoping for positive changes in the near future.
    Hindsight said something very important in her post that i didnt see in yours.

    If all the girls are doing extras,or even most,and the managers are not trying to clean it up,and the club is known for extras......

    Your the girl who wont put out in a roomfull of girls who will,and its going to continue to be like selling pork rinds at a muslim picnic.

    I would shop for a new club now.

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    I like my club EXCEPT for the fact listed above. Not everyone is doing extras at my club, but there are more than a few. A couple of girls have been busted for prostitution and the management has told us to not mention anything sexual or leading to sex outside the club. We have meetings about this so the managemnt is aware of what's going on. But this is the also the same management that when a high rolling customer does come in and look for a "good" girl, the hosts are running to the women who are known for extras. Many of my coworkers were in rooms with girls that do extras, and their customer's are looking at them wondering when are they getting started with the extras. The guys lost interest and the remaining extras girls stayed and earned $6000 that night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    Your the girl who wont put out in a roomfull of girls who will,and its going to continue to be like selling pork rinds at a muslim picnic.
    LOL!!!That is fuckin' hilarious!!!
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    Default Re: How to get them in the champagne room when it's known for extras

    I went through something just like this. I would definately change clubs. Word gets around that this is what goes on in the club and most of the customers are coming in there for that purpose. They messed it up for everyone else because the customer is going to think, "I can get more from this girl for my money.." There are lots of clubs in NYC. You'll find a decent one.

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    Default Re: How to get them in the champagne room when it's known for extras

    Can you sell your dances at VIP/Champagne prices out on the floor?

    I hate selling champagne, so I tell the guy that there is nothing that is going to happen in there that isn't going to happen out here on the floor. Then I do my thing, charge double or by the hour and make on the floor what I would've made in the champagne room PLUS the $$$ that would've gone to the VIP. I also avoid having the guy I'm with looking over at the extras girls wondering why he can't get any lip service.

    I also downplay the whole dirty stuff happening in the CR by saying it's all rumors or that they fired the girls that were doing that, and now it's more fun outside (it isn't).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Amethyst
    Can you sell your dances at VIP/Champagne prices out on the floor?

    I hate selling champagne, so I tell the guy that there is nothing that is going to happen in there that isn't going to happen out here on the floor. Then I do my thing, charge double or by the hour and make on the floor what I would've made in the champagne room PLUS the $$$ that would've gone to the VIP. I also avoid having the guy I'm with looking over at the extras girls wondering why he can't get any lip service.
    Ok just an opinion,free of charge,with no hidden additional charges.

    Yes,it is all about the individual entertainer.

    Its thier world.

    That said,
    The rest of us deal in a team sport of house girls trying to sell champagne room dances to a roomfull of guys.
    Fuck the drama queens and the wanna be features!!!

    If there is a girl running around in the room telling the custies what a waste of time the CR dances are,and how much better,and cheaper,it would be to just do whats NOT top shelf on the menu,is it really helping anyone but them??

    If the girl running around the room bashing champagne dances even gets 50% of the guys she ask to say yes to her UNDERCUTTING,that still leaves alot of guys,who will be approached by the other girls(takin what they given cause they workin for a livin)who will NOW have a HARDER time of selling the very thing they are trying to UPSELL.

    Kinda fucked up really IMO and from what I have seen over the decades,traits found in girls who dont last long at any one club for the most part,at least not for very long.

    Girls undercutting girls on the sales floor comes in many forms,all of them are bad IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    Ok just an opinion,free of charge,with no hidden additional charges.

    Yes,it is all about the individual entertainer.

    Its thier world.

    That said,
    The rest of us deal in a team sport of house girls trying to sell champagne room dances to a roomfull of guys.
    Fuck the drama queens and the wanna be features!!!


    If there is a girl running around in the room telling the custies what a waste of time the CR dances are,and how much better,and cheaper,it would be to just do whats NOT top shelf on the menu,is it really helping anyone but them??

    If the girl running around the room bashing champagne dances even gets 50% of the guys she ask to say yes to her UNDERCUTTING,that still leaves alot of guys,who will be approached by the other girls(takin what they given cause they workin for a livin)who will NOW have a HARDER time of selling the very thing they are trying to UPSELL.

    Kinda fucked up really IMO and from what I have seen over the decades,traits found in girls who dont last long at any one club for the most part,at least not for very long.

    Girls undercutting girls on the sales floor comes in many forms,all of them are bad IMO.

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    Well, since you quoted me, I'll respond:

    I don't "run around the room" undercutting girls and talking about how the CR sucks (although it does). Nor was that my advice to Lalalatina. Let me clarify:

    If I am sitting with a table that WANTS to go into the CR, then I'll grab a waitress and make it happen. However, I will not SELL the CR (IOW, if he doesn't mention it, I won't bring it up).

    If a waitress comes by and asks if he wants to go in, and he asks me what will he get from ME specifically, I will be honest and tell him he will get no more action from me than he would out on the floor. If he still wants to go in, fine - he knows upfront he's not getting more bang for his buck in the VIP. If not, since the waitress gets $25 for a bottle of champagne, I'll make sure my customer tips her that amount in addition to what she'll get for taking care of him for the night. If he doesn't, I'll give her the difference.

    How is that undercutting? I'm not selling my dances cheaper - I'm actually increasing the price, technically making it EASIER for dancers to approach the table next time.

    The girls that are letting customers suck their tits, kiss them, finger them, performing HJs and BJs for the same price as one of my dances are the ones UNDERCUTTING ME (or Lalalatina, in this case).

    BTW, the way VIP/CR works in my club is dancer sells bottle($150-500), club gets all (minus $25 for waitress), and dancer sets her own price for dances or charges by the hour (typically $30/dance or $250/hr at a 2 hr min.) The club does NOT get any $$ from the dances, but charges the customer $20 for every $100 in "funny money" charged to a credit card.

    My advice is based on two things: the assumption that Lalalatina's club works in a similar manner and that she doesn't WANT to go in the CR.

    Maybe, BGM, that's why we see things differently. There is no VIP host/ess or bouncer counting dances or collecting money from us. After dancers pay their house fees, there's no other financial obligation to the club, except for the occasional t-shirt dance ($10). Of course, tipping the DJ and housemom is always appreciated So very few dancers go out of their way to sell CR and the club does not really press us to do it. The girls that sell it on a normal basis typically need favors/forgiveness from management (they get drunk, want a lower nightly tip out, or don't want to go on stage). Not me - I'll take the $$$, stay sober, pay my reg tip out and get the customer to pay to keep me off stage if necessary ($20/set to the DJ, I might add ).

    The only real teamwork that goes on here is either waitress-dancer or dancer-dancer. I've only danced in San Antone, Austin, and Dallas but I've never been extorted for money from CRs or otherwise. Dancers are pretty much looking out for themselves and unless a girl is selling dances for less than $20, or giving extra service in or out of the club, no one cares how she makes her money.


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    In Texas, the Champagne Room/VIP has zero financial incentive to the dancer, other than she can probably get more dances out of the guy due to the privacy factor. There is also th extras factor. Setting a flat rate is a great idea, but most many customers seasoned to $20 a dance will think they are being hustled.

    Amethyst isn't undercutting. The CR/VIP is just extra money to the club of which we don't see a red cent.

    I've never worked at a club here that even asked us to push CR. One club let us skip a stage rotation if we sold a CR.

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    (ps, this isn't every TX club, but at least 90% of the topless ones)

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    When a customer comes in and makes eye contact with you, hey, you know what he/she wants. Go to the room and deliver service. Don't quibble, just do it.
    They always begin the first time they come with some variation of "I've heard that ....."
    and so on and on. I got sick and tired of it. There should be a better way, like take a number system at the Social Security Office. Just imagine implementing a system like that at places I have worked. HA!
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    This is how it is at my club.
    We can charge upwards to $800 for the hour in the CR. That's risky, but it happens. The average amount we charge is about $650. The club charges the customer a separate room rental fee wich ranges betwen $200-$400 ON TOP of the dancer's charge. The host get's 10% of the dancer's rate and the bouncer get's tipped as well. The club wants you to push a bottle of champagne because drinks aren't included with the room. You get a bottle sold, you don't pay the house fee.

    Since we can charge so much for the room by the hour, girls are more willing to do things that get them and afterwards keep them there for a few hours. 5 hours in the CR at $700 per hour? You do the math. Because we get a lot of business married men, it's not practical for them to call up a hooker which will charge $1000 plus find a hotel and all this shit when they can come to my club. Also, it wouldn't show up on the credit card as a stripclub, so they're safe.

    Our club is a hustler's central. It's not unusual for girls to leave with $4000. My thing is I want to make more money , not necessarily $4000, but more and I know that you can only work the floor for so long where you need to take it to the next level and get someone in the CR. I'm not desperate enough to compromise myself to get a CR, but I want to make more money.
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    Also, I don't talk about how the CR is a rip off or anything like that. I don't force the room. I just let it unfold if it does. I just want to know how to work around what's obvious.
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    lala, where did you say you worked in NY? lmao!

    I'll be there tomorrow! haha

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    I never mentioned where I worked, I just said it's a hustler's beehive.
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    Penthouse Executive Club, duh.

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    duh? yeah, duh uh huh?
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    I am not saying the girls who do this are wrong or bad but if you don't want to become one of these girls you need to let the guys know right away. They will expect it based on the reputation of the club unless you let them know. I would just try to find a club that doesn't let this happen. If you do decide to stay realize that you will never make as much as those girls. So don't say I make less than the other girls. You may be makning pleanty for not offering extras. Guys are still paying the same price for those rooms they just pay more for the extras. You need to pick out the guys who don't want extras and make them you targets. There are a lot of married guys or guys who are afraid to go for extras. If you give great dances and treat them well. You can still get rooms. This only applies as long as you club is kind of an extra club once it becomes know you might have to move. Usually if extras are going on management knows and is ok with them as long as they don't get busted. this type of management will not stick up for you.

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    Remind the CR candidates that the room has CCTV in one corner. If it doesn't put a small very dark hole in a wall just by a corner. An experienced reviewer can tell pretty closely if sex is going on. Hey, remind them that you two could even get on a porno web site that way.

    All clubs, whether topless or nude (alcohol-free) in this area have CCTV units recording or live monitoring the room's activities. (Well, except one, which is the desperate gal's extra club in town. No wonder that one is not monitored; I sure wouldn't want to monitor those ugly whores spitting on the floor. I'm sure LE knows about it too. But I suppose they pay their 'Taxes'.)
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

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    Lalalatina,
    That sounds just like VIP Club of NY where i work.

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