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    I kind of liked it, hated the bartender/slash manager. I can't remember his name because we all just called him A Hole.
    Sorry, off topic, different strokes for different folks I suppose.
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    I've worked a few years as a dancer and asked customers what they thought of the DJ. All of them have told me that they don't listen to the DJ. Customers aways ask me my name even when on stage....I am like didn't you hear the DJ?

    I think the answer to this problem is having women DJ's with sultry sexy voices. Now that would get their attention, lol.

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    You know I was just thinking that the manager at my club makes more money than I do....I think I will hit him up for a tip tomorrow night....It is only fair that I should have some of his money since he makes more.

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    Jenny, I'm totally your secret admirer- I don't even have to post anymore, because you're always right there saying what I would say, a hell of a lot more eloquently than I would. Awesome!



    You Jenny I agree with you there, I dont agree with the tipouts to everyone in the club..never have. There are many clubs that do overcharge the girls, but why is it it is ok for a dancer to make 1000, a bartender or a shot girl, but hell with the dj?
    So go make your money off customers, like the dancers, bartenders and shot girls do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scarlett_vancouver
    So go make your money off customers, like the dancers, bartenders and shot girls do.
    Exactly. DJs need to hit the floor and see what it feels like to not have guaranteed money, working on tips only. I'd love to see DJs solicit tips from customers, like putting a tip jar on the perch of their little thrones or refusing to play any music until they get X-amount of money


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    I've worked as a dancer in clubs like that. It drove me nuts. Had a lot of folks, mostly the customers, who griped about no DJ. Heh.
    Then demand tips from customers. Really Paige - we don't care what the customers bitch about. We care that they buy dances. Unless you are directly responsible for a customer buying a dance, I don't owe you a percentage of what he gave me. Or she. Keeping them in the club (through any means except our innnate charm and nudity) is the job of the club. Not us. To me it sounds like you think you should be getting more money from the club not us.

    I dont agree with the tipouts to everyone in the club..never have.
    Then why you? Besides the obvious reasons.

    but why is it it is ok for a dancer to make 1000, a bartender or a shot girl, but hell with the dj?
    Well, A) we're making it. We're not just demanding a tipout from someone else. It's not a matter of what we deserve - it's a matter of what we can sell. B)we're making it off the customer - you know the person that is SUPPOSED to be spending money in the club. C) It's fine by me if the DJ makes 1000.00. Incidentally, I don't EVER make 1000.00. I just don't want to give him a % of my income. I want to give a small, reasonable tip commesurate with the service he provides me, rather than just be told that I have so much money I ought to spread it around. If there are 100 girls who all tip him $10, power to him. I maintain that even if a girl tips you nothing that you do owe her and the club a competent performance - you don't have to "go all out" (and I maintain that she probably wouldn't notice) but deliberately fucking with her (ie changing the rotation so that her stage show is at an inconvenient time) is childish, unprofessional, demonstrates incompetence, and a person who would do that doesn't deserve tips from the people that she or he are meant to be serving

    I am actully very used to the way of thinking that is here.
    As I said - I think I am being a little misunderstood here. And of course, I may have lacked a little clarity. When I said all you do is push play, I meant in terms of a direct service to each girl that you are expecting to tip you. Not the totality of your job. But the totality of your job, and the skill of your job is not at all relevent to us giving you a percentage. What is relevent is how much money you directly make us. Which is none.

    Yeah, we do.. but thats what makes it intresting. My favorite clubs are the ones that are 10% to a 40 Cap..(Means no tipping more than 40) What do you think?
    Oh, hell no. No %. Where have I been unclear about this? Unless you can demonstrate to me that you directly are responsible for me making money, you get no percentage. Look - there is no "fair share" for you in MY EARNINGS. Is there a "fair share" for you in the club's earnings? Maybe - take that up with them. Once again - you cannot viably demand a % unless you can demonstrate that you DIRECTLY contributed to me getting that money. Like the bartender can't say "But if I hadn't served him those drinks, he would never have gotten drunk and started talking about goat's milk, and you wouldn't have been able to talk about that goat farm you visited, and then....." or worse yet, the bartender can't say "But I contribute to the general ambiance of the club. How would you have a bar without a bartender, so give me 10%." The bartender CAN say, "When he was looking for a girl, I told him that you were really sweet and pretty, and that everyone thought you gave great dances, and I encouraged him to open a credit card. Maybe a little consideration here?"

    We are just asking for a fair fee for the service we provide.
    Again - you aren't really providing us with a service. Contributing to club ambiance and maintaining a party atmosphere, and indeed even getting other girls to the stage on time aren't on my payroll. Asking me to pay for that is not FAIR.

    but sometimes you get frustrated when a girl makes 1000 and gives you 5.
    It vaguely pisses me off when anyone makes more money than me. Fuck, I say. Fuck. Why can't I be a pretty or charming or flexible or funny or smart or savvy or slutty or wealthy as that girl who just made so much more money than me? Fuck, fuck, fuck. It doesn't me she owes me 10%.

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    So go make your money off customers, like the dancers, bartenders and shot girls do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Captain Rob
    but sometimes you get frustrated when a girl makes 1000 and gives you 5.
    Let's put this in the dancer's "number" stand-point.

    Let's say that a dancer made $1000. $500 in cash and $500 in funny money (like it would most likely happen at my club) with $500 being earned in VIP:

    Pay house fee to work = $120
    20% of $500 to VIP host = $100
    25% of $500 to house = $125
    Tipout to housemom = $10
    Tipout to DJ = $10

    After $1000, the dancer is left with $635.

    25% charge for changing funny money ($500) = $125

    The dancer will walk out of the club with $510.

    If you, as a DJ, work at a club like mine...you will get tipped out by 70+ girls a night. Even if you only got $5 per dancer, you would make $350. At $10 you would make $700. I just cannot understand why DJ's expect MORE than $5? I usually tipped $20-$30...so that should have offset the girls who tipped $5...but why the hell does that matter so much? You are being paid hourly...and everything that you make from the dancers is icing on the cake.

    Yes, you do the rotations, who goes where...blah, blah, blah. However, those are your DUTIES as an employee of the club. You were hired by management to perform those duties. If you feel that you are "underpaid" for your duties, then that is something that you need to take up with your manager. NOT something that you stick your hand in my cash stash for.

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    *Pimp Mentality*. There's a reason why certain men work in certain positions at strip clubs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tampafldancer
    When someone tips you off and you make 200-400 off the person.
    10% unless the person does it on a regular basis then 15%

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    Well plenty of posts to address here, trying to keep up best I can.

    Ok, I guess i need to be a little more direct.

    A) Dancers choose to work in a strip club, they are a dime a dozen. In a good club there are usually hundreds of dancers that would love to work there and are on list waiting to get in. When you choose to become a dancer and have the shot of making tons of cash (for doing a "bullshit" service that also is overhyped) you understood that this is a HUSTLE business. I mean really, dancers are just hustlers like everyone else in the club biz. Just like us dj's. When you signed on you knew there we tipouts (to various areas) that is part of the game. If you feel it is unfair, there are tons of jobs were you can work where there are no tipouts (fees) to anyone, and you can make your 300-500 a week and go home happy. My advise DEAL with it. That is is game. I am sooooo sorry that you have to make tons of cash and give a small % to a small amount of people that DO (agree or not) contribute to the overall success of a club to enable your highness to come in work 6 hours and make 1000. Not saying I am all mighty, but it is the overall TEAM in a club that keeps business coming in night after night, and the club who provides you the workplace and clients to workover for the money. Are we dj's a little greedy? No more than you girls are.

    Now, addressing some other things. Not all dj's work in clubs where there 70+ girls. And i still cannot believe that some are so thick headed to think that a dj doesnt provide any service. Try dancing to no music, try getting customers to come in when there is no show, just a bunch of girls looking to take your money and grind you a bit. Yeah, plenty of jukebox clubs, but they are mainly dirty, blowjob clubs and really only attract the lower end customers.

    Addressing the fact I screw with a girls ability to make money, of course... I am gonna take care of my "money" first. Just like you. Clubs hire me (I have worked over 40, managed a few and advised on others) to keep a girl on stage, stay high energy, promote the club..etc. Now, why in hell would I give a crap about one (notice I am talking about 1 girl here) who expects alot, tips like shit when I have 30 others who treat me good and in turn get my very best. I love the little princesses that think i should just help this girl anyway becuase I work for the club. Hell with her, she has been doing worse and worse the last few days and knows why. She will more than likely be gone soon and a new girl will come in to take her place that I will do a great job for and more than likely she will tip me well and there ya go. As far as being fired, doubt it. I am a very well known and very well liked dj, I bring in alot of business and dancers love working with me. Yes, i said business i get many customers who complement me, and there are those who could care less. In fact one guy gave me 60 bucks last night just cause I always take care of him and he likes my style. Do these guys come in to see me?? NO...but they know that the best girls will be there when I am.

    Now to the girls that asked about 10% on top of all these other fees, i know i stated above that i dont agree with it. If the Dj automaticily gets a part of the house tipout then NO you dont have to tip the dj...geez I am not saying to rape you guys here. but a 20-30 dollar tip is not alot to ask when you make 1000.
    It also isnt your money till the chips are cashed in and you leave, maybe clubs should just let you work for them, take all the dances and money you make, save it till the end take out the fees then PAY you. That would be your pay and the money you made that night? I once worked for a computer company, did alot of outcalls we charged 100-115 hr/ Then the company would pay me 10/hr. Well isnt that MY money??? shouldnt i get the full 115/hr??? See the point.


    Anyways, look people. Dj's will always be in the successful clubs, if they were so unimportant why would clubs have them, why wouldnt they all be the jukebox clubs? Cause the big, successful clubs know the importance of having a good dj, will boost the business and keep dancers happy. There will also always be dancers, yes you are the basis for a club. Any of you ladies ever go to the downtown clubs in your cities (non strip clubs)? When you go out isnt there a dj there?? A good dj in a dance club makes about 500-800 a night, usually gets a cut of the door charge plus a flat fee. So in a strip club you are going one better, you are taking a good dj who created a powerful show, and ADDING pretty performers as the primary focus of the show. That creates a focus point to draw in guys, they kick back relax watch the show, find a girl they like and spend some $$$. It is a combined effort, with out us there is no show, no music to dance to, it becomes your local mom and pop bar. Without you.....well its just another dance club on the strip.

    One more point..any of you married?? How much did you pay the dj at your wedding 300-400 for 4 hours??? Thats the average. Hmmmm... Intresting.
    Now about we dont buy music, I Do...I stay updated weekly, I download too but I use a pay site these days...its easier than having to find a "good Copy" of a p2p site. To risky also. I also use a state of the art Mp3 system that i take with me, it costs money to maintain and repair from how much it is used...etc

    Thats enough for now... You may fire when ready

    You ladies have a great day!

    Cap't

    P.s. Thanks Paige for being the one voice of reason in here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess
    Let's put this in the dancer's "number" stand-point.

    Let's say that a dancer made $1000. $500 in cash and $500 in funny money (like it would most likely happen at my club) with $500 being earned in VIP:

    Pay house fee to work = $120
    20% of $500 to VIP host = $100
    25% of $500 to house = $125
    Tipout to housemom = $10
    Tipout to DJ = $10

    After $1000, the dancer is left with $635.

    25% charge for changing funny money ($500) = $125

    The dancer will walk out of the club with $510.

    If you, as a DJ, work at a club like mine...you will get tipped out by 70+ girls a night. Even if you only got $5 per dancer, you would make $350. At $10 you would make $700. I just cannot understand why DJ's expect MORE than $5? I usually tipped $20-$30...so that should have offset the girls who tipped $5...but why the hell does that matter so much? You are being paid hourly...and everything that you make from the dancers is icing on the cake.
    Venus, i understand there are alot of fees, I have said before I dont agree with clubs that take 1/2 your money. If there were 70 girls at my club I would be thrilled to get 10-20 from each.I would be very appreciative as well. This isnt about putting the hand in the pocket, it is just simply about a fee for a service, just as the dancers charge a fee for their service. Also, not all dj's are paid hourly, some have to work on tips alone just as you do. Some even kickback to the house. I think some people here are just taking me the wrong way...not saying a dj deserves 100 per girl here. You said you tipped 20-30, thats great. It's clear you appreciate the dj's, now why is it so wrong to want that from all the performers. Now I am talking the ones I do a great job for and help them..

    Venus, one more thing.. i noticed in your big post you said you tipped 20-30 and dj's still complained?! Now that I dont agree with, that is greed at that point, especially if there are 70 girls.

    Just some thoughts...Geez I make one post and this whole thread goes wild...LOL.

    Cap't
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    Okay, this is just getting stupid. You are just repeating yourself. You are completely ignoring the girls who are DEMONSTRATING that they don't want or need your service. You are also completely ignoring the contention that you provide service for the club, not the girls. You're really just saying Gimmie gimmie gimmie.

    We know what we do. And, despite some knee jerk reactions to people who try to denigrate us, we know it is a low skill job (low skill doesn't mean easy). The fact that we "signed on" doesn't give other people to right to take advantage of us. What kind of logic is that? Just so you know - accepting a job doesn't mean you surrender your personal rights.

    You keep bringing up this 1000 a night thing completely ignoring that it is a) fallacious and b) has no effect on your job. The fact that other people may make more money than you doesn't give you a right to that money. That is a stupid argument. Finally (as we keep telling you) not going all out for a girl is not the same as fucking with her. That's like saying "i got my customer's phone number and if he doesn't spend x dollars, I'm gonna call his wife. After a few days of me fucking with him he'll learn to pay me." That is immoral, unethical, unprofessional and terribly discourteous. I thank god none of my DJs have ever been like that. Most of mine are actually nice guys who would never behave that way.
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    Yes , i keep rehashing the same point. Some of you seem to be ignoring my points as well. I have said my piece, and i am not trying to offend you ladies here. There will just always be somethings that we as dj's and dancers cant agree on, fair enough. Just as clubs and you may never agree and etc etc. I just think you guys are taking my statement of low balling a girl way too seriously. Tis ok, this is on topic that will be fought about 100 years from now..

    Jenny I respect your posts and have read every word, i doubt i can ever make you understand that dj's are needed. But thats ok, not everyone thinks the same. But i do value your opinion here, some very good food for thought

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    Quote Originally Posted by "captain" rob
    Also I usually dont try and take shots at people cause I like to debate. But I think someone called me a "pimp". Hmmmm... If I am A Pimp, what does that make you???? Just wondering [img]images/smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]
    Actually, sweetie, I said "pimp mentality" and I wasn't necessarily referring to you, but to those DJs Venus was referencing in her post above me (but if the shoe fits...). Please read before you respond.

    BTW, You made it very clear that you EXPECT dancers to get all dolled up, hit the floor, dance and hustle their asses off while you get to sit on your perch for eight hours, yammering on about drink specials and whatever else you do, and then have your hand out for a BIGGER cut of the profits at the end of the night. Then when Sugar Cane or Candy Apple doesn't give you your proper cut, you lay the smackdown on 'em, dontcha?:

    Quote Originally Posted by "captain"rob
    ... But there are easier ways of dealing with the bad tippers (just like mentioned above) Making them go on stage when they want to sit with the "big" money guy, or sticking them behind a much better looking or more talented girl in the lineup, not allowing them to skip....etc etc.

    That is unacceptable. I tell them you get what you pay for....treat me right and I will bend over backwards to help, do it not and well your life at the club will be harder.
    Sounds like someone who has grand illusions of being a pimp (or demi-god) JMO. Oh and as for you alluding to my being a "ho"...call me what you will but I don't - nor ever will - gleefully hand over 10% of my money to people who aren't doing anything they're not already supposed to be doing (and I've already paid for them to do).


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    Well...I just reread your post and you are correct, so I apoligize and will retract that statement.I thought you were taking a cheap shot, so agin I apoligize. I had to read alot of posts there. I have never once said that I had my hand out for a Bigger cut. No, i said a "Fair" cut.

    Addressing the demigod issue, no i am not all high and mighty nor do i claim to be. But it is possible for a dj to make life just a tiny bit harder for a girl who tips crap when you have gone outta you way to help them. Lets go the other way with this, these are things I can do to help a good tipper.

    - Skip them so they can do there dances or VIp Champ. Rooms.
    - Give them a great light show and hype them up to focus attention on girl
    - Promote tipping while performer is on stage and Vip when off
    - Put them in line up behind a lesser attractive girl, so they look better.
    - Give them current hits and play to crowd, guy likes song, guy tips.
    - Actully go out and BUY music girl wants
    - Reserve songs just for them
    - Keep management off their case, or in some case protect them

    Thats just a few for now...

    Really a 5 dollar tip is basically say your name, hit play. nothing more. If that is what the girl wants fine, no problem and I will take my 5 dollars and not say a word about it. But I do have my favorites, and will help them as best i can.

    I try not to sit on my perch too long, my legs fall asleep

    Sry, i missunderstood you, my bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dj Captain Rob
    Lets go the other way with this, these are things I can do to help a good tipper.


    - Skip them so they can do there dances or VIp Champ. Rooms.
    Every club that I've been to has made it MANDATORY that the DJ pull the dancer from the rotation if she's going to VIP. If she's on the floor and sitting with a big tipper, then she needs to go to the stage, however...VIP is a whole different issue. The club KNOWS that if a dancer gets a customer into VIP, it's not just more money for the dancer, but lots more for the club...so this is preposterous and any DJ who pulls this stunt (preventing the dancer from going into VIP) is essentially taking money away from the club. That should be a mandatory firing offense.

    - Give them a great light show and hype them up to focus attention on girl
    - Promote tipping while performer is on stage and Vip when off
    - Put them in line up behind a lesser attractive girl, so they look better.
    - Give them current hits and play to crowd, guy likes song, guy tips.
    You are still under the impression that YOU are responsible for dancers making money...but, I repeat...none of the things that you mentioned above will make guys tip or prevent them from tipping. The dancer is who gets the guys tipping...not the light show or being behind a less attractive dancer. I've been in lines behind MORE attractive girls and made MORE money on stage because I have a good stage show. Geezus.

    - Actully go out and BUY music girl wants
    That's nice of you...but YOUR CHOICE. I'm not going tip you oodles of money each night just so you can go buy me some music. It's cheaper for me to bring my own...which I've always done. What happens when I bring in a cd that you love and you burn it to your computer? Do you compensate me for my expense of buying that cd? No, probably not...and in most cases, you probably won't even say anything...just do it on the fly...

    - Reserve songs just for them
    Again, this is not worth any amount of money. Personally, I could care less what I dance to. My main focus is getting customers. I can, and have, danced to anything.

    - Keep management off their case, or in some case protect them
    How would you do this? Maybe it's different in other clubs, but most DJ's couldn't deal with management to save their lives. Management does not go to the DJ when they have a problem with the dancer...


    Really a 5 dollar tip is basically say your name, hit play. nothing more. If that is what the girl wants fine, no problem and I will take my 5 dollars and not say a word about it. But I do have my favorites, and will help them as best i can.
    So...what if all I want you to do is put in my cd and hit play? What if I do not care about the stage show...the lights...the smoke machine...and the "Welcome the hot, sexy, sensual VenusGoddess to the stage" intro? What if all I want is for you to say, "And, next up is VenusGoddess?" I can do the rest myself. I've always made lots of cash (on average) and I can tell you without a doubt it was done without the DJ's help. You give yourself a lot more credit than is due. But, that is just MHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess
    If you, as a DJ, work at a club like mine...you will get tipped out by 70+ girls a night. Even if you only got $5 per dancer, you would make $350. At $10 you would make $700. I just cannot understand why DJ's expect MORE than $5? I usually tipped $20-$30...so that should have offset the girls who tipped $5...but why the hell does that matter so much? You are being paid hourly...and everything that you make from the dancers is icing on the cake.
    Yeah but what about the DJs who work at clubs with 20 girls? $5 x 20 = $100. You wanna leave with $100? I dont. As a dancer OR a DJ. Or how about a DJ who has 10 girls? That would be $50. Wanna leave with that? Not I. And I dont care if its a DJ gig where I get paid or not, usually the pay is crap, IF there IS pay, so $50 - $100 sucks. Period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amethyst
    Exactly. DJs need to hit the floor and see what it feels like to not have guaranteed money, working on tips only. I'd love to see DJs solicit tips from customers, like putting a tip jar on the perch of their little thrones or refusing to play any music until they get X-amount of money
    Plenty of DJs work for tips only. Plenty. I've done it. I know a lot of DJs who have as well. And we do try to get tips from customers. They come up and ask for a song, we wave our lil tip bowl.

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    Then demand tips from customers. Really Paige - we don't care what the customers bitch about. We care that they buy dances. Unless you are directly responsible for a customer buying a dance, I don't owe you a percentage of what he gave me. Or she. Keeping them in the club (through any means except our innnate charm and nudity) is the job of the club. Not us. To me it sounds like you think you should be getting more money from the club not us.
    Sorry, I'm not like that. I care about what customers think. Its called Customer Relations. Just like any other job. I'm not greedy to the point of demanding anything. And if the club you work at states that you HAVE TO pay the DJ a certain percentage, and you dont like it? Find a club that doesnt require a percentage, or one of those fun jukiebox clubs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    Again - you aren't really providing us with a service. Contributing to club ambiance and maintaining a party atmosphere, and indeed even getting other girls to the stage on time aren't on my payroll. Asking me to pay for that is not FAIR.
    So lemme ask this again, does your club require that you tip the DJ? If so, tough shit, honestly. You many not think that DJs help you, but the club owner(s)/manager(s) do, and it's their call. Move on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaigeDWinter
    Sorry, I'm not like that. I care about what customers think. Its called Customer Relations.
    That's fine. That's your perogative and I respect that. I, however, do this job specifically because it's NOT like any other job. If the customer's want a DJ - I don't care. I've worked in clubs with no DJ. They still tip, they still buy dances. I don't care enough about customer preferences to open my wallet.

    I'm not greedy to the point of demanding anything.
    I, on the other hand, am greedy enough to demand that I keep what's mine.

    And if the club you work at states that you HAVE TO pay the DJ a certain percentage, and you dont like it? Find a club that doesnt require a percentage, or one of those fun jukiebox clubs.
    Okay, Paige. I am seriously trying to extend you respect here. I understood why you got angry at being told it was a low skill job, and I tried to clarify my points about DJ skill levels, etc. But you are just taking this way too personally. This is obviously what I have to do (barring the normal ways that girls always do to minimize tip outs). What we are discussing here is the justice of everyone in the world (including DJs) demanding a piece of us for no good reason. Sitting there saying "Well, clubs make you, neener, neener neener" is beyond redundant. We know. That's the precise injustice we are discussing.

    So lemme ask this again, does your club require that you tip the DJ? If so, tough shit, honestly. You many not think that DJs help you, but the club owner(s)/manager(s) do, and it's their call. Move on.
    Nope. And my DJ is damn happy to get any flat tip I choose to give him. Not inappropriately grateful - just happy. And I'm pretty sure that it isn't legal to offload operating costs onto us. The club doesn't give a fuck if the DJ is helping us. They just don't want to have pay one themselves. Which I'm pretty sure you are perfectly well aware of. Maybe you should direct some of this anger about being unappreciated to the club owners who don't seem to value you enough to pay you a salary, and give you decent working conditions. I value you enough to give you $10.00. That is what your DIRECT service is worth to me. As for the rest - as I said. I don't need to put a precise value on it, because it is not relevent to me. It is relevent to other people - club owners, managers, customers, etc.
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    Whoa. Most of the opinions are formed from experience. If I chose to stay at VIPs where I tipped out half, I'd pay the minimum. It seems as if VIPs rips off entertainers. Fortunately, the club where I work now requires me to pay 10% to the DJ, who, like me, is an independent contractor.

    They know I earn so they shuffle the rotation whenever I need it. More $$ for me = more $$ for them. I don't tip less than $40. I tip about $70 on average. It's a team effort. About 20% of the dancers working earn 80% of the money in the room. The DJs do what they can to ensure the 20% cleans house. They make as much as I do, sometimes more if there are plenty of dancers. And there are many times when they makes less, but they can always count on $40 from me. Again, team effort.

    It's the club's job to create harmony between the DJs and dancers. If my DJs walked with $2000 when I had $500, my tips would be sh*t. People are trying to grope me all night and earning 1/4 of what a DJ gets does not say that I am appreciated as a dancer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lizette
    Whoa. Most of the opinions are formed from experience. If I chose to stay at VIPs where I tipped out half, I'd pay the minimum. It seems as if VIPs rips off entertainers. Fortunately, the club where I work now requires me to pay 10% to the DJ, who, like me, is an independent contractor.

    They know I earn so they shuffle the rotation whenever I need it. More $$ for me = more $$ for them. I don't tip less than $40. I tip about $70 on average. It's a team effort. About 20% of the dancers working earn 80% of the money in the room. The DJs do what they can to ensure the 20% cleans house. They make as much as I do, sometimes more if there are plenty of dancers. And there are many times when they makes less, but they can always count on $40 from me. Again, team effort.

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    I don't really care about tip out one way or the other. I use to dj for a strip club here in Columbus where the girls were not asked to tip the DJ--and none ever did. It wasn't that big of a deal to me. That's what I signed on for, I did my job and, I'm sorry, but DJing is NOT a hard job. Yeah, there's shit you gotta do--Be charismatic, keep up on current music, read people, announcements, bla bla bla... It wasn't rocket science. It was somewhere between entertainer and short order cook.

    Tip or not.. whatever. The problem I have is basically DJ's thiking they are a vital role to the club. Just like I hate when a dancer thinks SHE is a vital element of the club. Dancers are a dime a dozen, yes. Good dancers, not so much. DJ's are a dime a dozen. Good dj's, not so much. It's all the same.

    But what I hear is a DJ saying "It's not fair that a girl won't tip me... she's being greedy, a bad person, making my life difficult... So I'm gonna do the same to her."

    What kind of logic is that? It's just some high school crap--The dancer is being a shitbag, so I'm going to be a shitbag. So she doesn't tip you... That sucks, and it's wrong, but being an asshole about it isn't going to help you get tipped. No girl is going to say "Gee, maybe I SHOULD tip him, he is effecting my ability to work!"

    It just sounds like drama to me.

    DJ's, do your job, expect your minimum tipout, if it doesnt happen... Oh well, life goes on. Maybe it was a bad night. If it effects your cash flow that much... YOU have the right to go to another club, also.


    Girls, do you job, expect customers to tip, expect customers to tip you, if it doesnt happen. You know. Lie goes on. Maybe it's a slow night. If it effects cash flow that much... Go somewhere else.

    Dancers are prima donnas.... DJ's are prima donnas.... Bla bla bla.

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    I dont have alot of time to post, running late but I want to just make a point here.

    Last night the dancer that i was having my problme with came and talked with me, i explained (very nicely) my thoughts on the tipping issue and how i felt she wasnt getting my best due to the low tipping when she does well. Well guess what all my little haters?? She tipped 25 last night and made peace, now we get along great. Tonight she will get my very best, and she has promised to tip better. She even went to the other girls and they made her realize it too.

    See? Problem solved. I would write more but time is up..

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