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    Quote Originally Posted by RetiredDancer
    I see the "name this flower" person started another thread trying to tell us the "truth" about Muslims/Islamics, ect. Truth is, a few live here in my neighborhood (how the hell they got over here Ill never know) and they get all garbed up out in their front yards and do their dance and whatever else it is they do. You dont see anyone else doing that, just those types..but seriously, there are plenty of people who dont want anyone like that over here in the USA. Its just the way most of society is now.
    RD, this is just narrow-minded prejudice. It makes you look ugly and ignorant.
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    Oh well, its how I feel. Take a peek over at the other thread, the one DW just responded to..he's my kinda guy

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    "they get all garbed up out in their front yards and do their dance and whatever else it is they do"

    Yea that's so terrible. Individuality in America? freedom of expression? Nope, can't have that here

    As Frank Burns (yes, the ferret from MASH sitcom) said:
    "Individuality is fine, as long as we all do it together"

    Bullshit. Do they complain about your parties, dancing or other "fun" or how you celebrate/recreate/pray?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicolina
    This is not true. A friend of mine was (until just a few weeks ago) an Army recruiter in Los Angeles, and he complained bitterly about the difficulty in finding qualified recruits. The Army has not lowered its standards.
    Actually it is true.

    The U.S. Army probably will come up well short of the 80,000 new recruits it needs during fiscal 2005, despite adding a thousand more recruiters, boosting enlistment cash bonuses to a record $20,000, spending $200 million on upbeat television ads and beginning to lower its standards.

    Easing the strict standards that made the all-volunteer force such a success - in effect, trading quality for quantity - could complicate the Pentagon's ambitious plans to transform the Army into an agile, high-tech force in which ordinary soldiers are better equipped to act fast without waiting for orders from above.






    The US military has stopped battalion commanders from dismissing new recruits for drug abuse, alcohol, poor fitness and pregnancy in an attempt to halt the rising attrition rate in an army under growing strain as a result of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    An internal memo sent to senior commanders said the growing dropout rate was "a matter of great concern" in an army at war. It told officers: "We need your concerted effort to reverse the negative trend. By reducing attrition 1%, we can save up to 3,000 initial-term soldiers. That's 3,000 more soldiers in our formations."







    The US military has stopped battalion commanders from dismissing new recruits for drug abuse, alcohol, poor fitness and pregnancy in an attempt to halt the rising attrition rate in an army under growing strain as a result of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    An internal memo sent to senior commanders said the growing dropout rate was "a matter of great concern" in an army at war. It told officers: "We need your concerted effort to reverse the negative trend. By reducing attrition 1%, we can save up to 3,000 initial-term soldiers. That's 3,000 more soldiers in our formations."

    Officially, the memo, reported in the Wall Street Journal and posted on Slate.com, ordered battalion commanders to refer cases of problem soldiers up to brigade level. Military experts warned that the move would make it more difficult to remove poor soldiers and would lower quality in the ranks.

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    Well, it says that they've stopped "dismissing new recruits" for various transgressions.

    It doesn't say that they've changed the qualifications necessary to become a new recruit. I believe that you still have to pass the same tests with the same scores in order to enlist. Is that not true?

    I won't be surprised if the military does, in fact, lower its standards for new recruits in the near future, of course. But I was actually surprised to learn from my recruiter friend that it is difficult to find qualified applicants. I had thought, as Terpsichore said, that "practically anyone" who was willing could enlist. This is not the case, and I don't think the military has made any major changes (yet) that would make that statement true.

    I didn't read all the links, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TerpsichoreToo
    As for me, I do not support this war so obviously I am not going to enlist. However if a situation comes about in the future that I did support, I think would enlist and try to do what I could to help the cause.

    Currently though I am a college student who is working towards a career in early childhood development.
    Easy to say, not so easy when the time comes to actaully do it. What if you are a single mother at the time? Woudl you give custody of your children to your elderly mother or hated ex-husband, just so you could serve?

    What if you jsut landed your dream job? Would you abandon it for a shitty job makingn shitty pay where you might get killed? Or would you decide that you woudl be doing enough by serving America's youth?

    What if your elderly parents needed you at home? Or if you were returning from your honeymoon when the war broke out? Woudl you lieave behind people who need and love you?

    You are young and kind of cute in an arrogant, nieve way, but life is not so simple as you seem to think it is.


    PS to answere your original question, I am a gulf was era vet, and I did volunteer to go from National Guard to Active duty when Desert Storm broke out. SO I have done mine, too.


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    Whew my first venture into Political Poo and I never imagined it was this "heated".......

    I must say I fully support defending the USA. The world is better off without Saddam and all the rest like him. I would be in the military if I physically qualified but I don't.
    I have family and friends in the military and EVERYONE I know who is serving WANTS to be there. These men and women are PROUD of their country and doing whatever is needed of them.
    Whether you support the war or not it pisses me off when people don't support our soldiers. They are giving everything they have, possibly their life for our freedoms as Americans. For our ability to post on a silly message board, whatever it may be.
    I live in NYC and the pain forever here is so powerful from 9-11. Nothing is more sickening than seeing anti-war protestors at the World Trade Center site. When you bash defending our country (war, etc) you are just about spitting in the faces of these men and women who are defending your ass here.
    OK, now I will just say God Bless everyone on this site that has or is serving. Know that there are proud Americans who are glad you are doing what you are.

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    I, too fully support defending the USA...

    I tried to enlist in the Airforce when I scored high on the asvab.. however, due to a female problem I wasn't able to because it made me non-deployable.

    I am proudly married to an Airforce man currently in Iraq for (check my ticker on my signature as I am not keeping track any other way).

    The heat is horribly hot.. today's forecast was presented in a humorous email from my hubby entitled, "MY biscuits are burning!".. today, or rather yesterday (his Monday) was a nice 114 degrees, mid week up to 120 and as he stated on Friday, "It's going to get cold on Friday.. down to 98' better break out the jackets".. He keeps his sense of humor thankfully!

    My husband LOVES his job. I stress a lot because of what he does., but I also know that if anything were to happen to him, he is doing what he loves. He has been in for sixteen years.. and will probably make a career out of it.

    In the meantime, I'm refurnishing the house in his absence, I planted a tree in our yard (we just built a house in October) and I remind our kids every day how much he loves them and misses them. We just sent off 12 dozen cookies to his unit. The love and support in my community is incredible and I will always stand behind him and my military family regardless of whatever the media or anyone else has to say. We may not understand the Why's of this war, but we have no choice but to do what our leaders instruct. My husband reports to the President of the US.. as does any US solider.


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    I take the stance these days that the US federal military(and it's equiv during the early periods) has never once defended America. Not even during the Revolution.

    My own service was probably the worst of the bunch until Army Air Corps dropped the atomic bombs on Japan. Nothing but enforcers for a mob unforunately.




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    I live in NYC and the pain forever here is so powerful from 9-11. Nothing is more sickening than seeing anti-war protestors at the World Trade Center site. When you bash defending our country (war, etc) you are just about spitting in the faces of these men and women who are defending your ass here.
    Quite the contrary I think. Nothing makes me prouder than seeing anti-war protestors anywhere. Offensive things like the Iraq war and related are what led to 9-11, if we are to take the official story at face value about muslim hijackers.

    If there was ever a patriotic act to be mentioned, it would indeed be anti-war protesting. I can't think of any nobler duty right now or at any time than bashing war.

    War is the greatest evil mankind has devised and in most cases from America's POV, it has been completely avoidable.
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    Quite the contrary I think. Nothing makes me prouder than seeing anti-war protestors anywhere. Offensive things like the Iraq war and related are what led to 9-11, if we are to take the official story at face value about muslim hijackers.

    If there was ever a patriotic act to be mentioned, it would indeed be anti-war protesting. I can't think of any nobler duty right now or at any time than bashing war.
    Oh please tell me you're not a person who believes 9-11 was all Americas fault......if so that is such a dissappointing thing to hear from a US citizen. Sad really....people want all the benefits and freedoms the USA gives but then they bash it. If one hates their own country so much.....leave.....it's real easy.......go live in the middle east for a while and see just how accepting they are of you and enjoy having no freedoms like you do here.
    If America is so AWFUL and you hate the government and how it's run, leave I say. People bitch and moan but you know you have it made living the USA, you could have it ALOT worse other places.
    There is nothing patriotic about not supporting your fellow man who is trying to help make a change for the better. Whether you agree with what's going on in Iraq and other countries or not, they need to know their own country supports them as human beings.
    Very sad........my rant is finished here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by former_LV_dancer
    Oh please tell me you're not a person who believes 9-11 was all Americas fault......if so that is such a dissappointing thing to hear from a US citizen. Sad really....people want all the benefits and freedoms the USA gives but then they bash it. If one hates their own country so much.....leave.....it's real easy.......go live in the middle east for a while and see just how accepting they are of you and enjoy having no freedoms like you do here.
    If America is so AWFUL and you hate the government and how it's run, leave I say. People bitch and moan but you know you have it made living the USA, you could have it ALOT worse other places.
    There is nothing patriotic about not supporting your fellow man who is trying to help make a change for the better. Whether you agree with what's going on in Iraq and other countries or not, they need to know their own country supports them as human beings.
    Very sad........my rant is finished here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sh0t
    I take the stance these days that the US federal military(and it's equiv during the early periods) has never once defended America. Not even during the Revolution.

    My own service was probably the worst of the bunch until Army Air Corps dropped the atomic bombs on Japan. Nothing but enforcers for a mob unforunately.





    Quite the contrary I think. Nothing makes me prouder than seeing anti-war protestors anywhere. Offensive things like the Iraq war and related are what led to 9-11, if we are to take the official story at face value about muslim hijackers.

    If there was ever a patriotic act to be mentioned, it would indeed be anti-war protesting. I can't think of any nobler duty right now or at any time than bashing war.

    War is the greatest evil mankind has devised and in most cases from America's POV, it has been completely avoidable.

    And because of men like my late grandfather who proudly served in the 101st in WWII and my husband and many like them who go off for months at time, you have that right to protest a war. Perhaps you might want to thank our military for giving you such a right to do so, as in other countries you would be shot dead in sight for protesting and going against your country's decisions.

    I highly disagree with your statement about our military ever defending our country. Perhaps you need a history lesson... The Revolutionary war was about reform and freedom of speech to go against England to form their own government based on such freedoms you speak of, such as flag burning and protesting... we defended our country to avoid being taken back under British rule...

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    Gyng,
    Kiss your bubby for all of us when he gets home safe and sound.
    Until then give him our thanks and let him know he is in our prayers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by montythegeek
    Gyng,
    Kiss your bubby for all of us when he gets home safe and sound.
    Until then give him our thanks and let him know he is in our prayers.
    Thank you Monty!!! I will tell him... its getting easier with him being away.. still not easy though.. hopefully, he'll be home in time for Thanksgiving!


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    If he's home by Thanksgiving, I'll spring for the turkey.

    I shot my own last year, and only did $5,000 damage to the Frozen Foods section at Kroger's.

    Best of luck and prayers to both of you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lwtex52
    If he's home by Thanksgiving, I'll spring for the turkey.

    I shot my own last year, and only did $5,000 damage to the Frozen Foods section at Kroger's.

    Best of luck and prayers to both of you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by former_LV_dancer
    Sad really....people want all the benefits and freedoms the USA gives but then they bash it. If one hates their own country so much.....leave.....it's real easy.......go live in the middle east for a while and see just how accepting they are of you and enjoy having no freedoms like you do here.
    If America is so AWFUL and you hate the government and how it's run, leave I say. People bitch and moan but you know you have it made living the USA, you could have it ALOT worse other places.
    You nailed it. Go over there for a while and start enjoying your freedom of speech there like you do here. You'll be enjoy your freedom of speech in Pakistan while they slit your throat slowly with a dull rusty knife.

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    Come on people,

    Read this slowly and carefully please.

    Just because someone does not support the WAR does not mean they do not support the TROOPS.

    TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS.

    I don't agree we should have been in Veitnam. I give all respect and hail to any vet who went over there or anywhere and served. ALL RESPECT.Any one who has the balls to enlist has my thanks and any help I can give.

    THINK. Please.

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    By the way:

    "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism"


    <H1 style="FONT-SIZE: 12px; MARGIN: 0px">"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."


    "In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty."


    "A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order will lose both, and deserve neither"


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    </H1>--Thomas Jefferson

    You know, the author of the Declaration of Indepenance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lildreamer316
    By the way:

    "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism"


    The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."


    "In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty."


    "A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order will lose both, and deserve neither"


    "Every generation needs a new revolution."



    --Thomas Jefferson

    You know, the author of the Declaration of Indepenance?
    Since you seem to be so big on quoting Thomas Jefferson (big time slave owner) I figured I'd jump in on the fun of quoting him...

    -Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state.

    -If our house be on fire, without inquiring whether it was fired from within or without, we must try to extinguish it.

    -The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

    And lets not be greedy with the quotes here, what do others have to say about the necessity of war?

    We shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender. (Winston Churchill - note that the sentiment could be also conveyed in reference to fighting terrorism)

    and my personal favorite by Gen George S Patton
    -No poor bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making other bastards die for their country.

    So you see great americans have said alot. Everyone seems to state that there was some backdoor motive in us going to war in Iraq. Fact: Sadaam Hussein is now living in a jail somewhere eating his Doritos and his people will be, in the long run, better off for it. Using the ideas that we shouldn't go to war where it does not directly affect America is insane. If your neighbor or someone else you see is being robbed or attacked do you not feel an urge to help them out? Or do you just look away and think that if you close your eyes to it that all the problems will go away? Tell that to the woman whose husband was murdered for no reason but the sheer entertainment it brought Sadaam or the man whose wife was raped and killed also for his entertainment.

    The media and others are quick to point out the fact that there have been no WMD found in Iraq. And are equally quick to gloss over the mass graves of Sadaam's victims. But we're supposed to believe that President Bush is the badguy in all this.

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    Just because someone does not support the WAR does not mean they do not support the TROOPS.
    Exactly !

    I feel that those who cont. to defend an administration that created and used lies as a reason to send our military men and women into battle are the ones not supporting our troops.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthMonkey
    The media and others are quick to point out the fact that there have been no WMD found in Iraq. And are equally quick to gloss over the mass graves of Sadaam's victims. But we're supposed to believe that President Bush is the badguy in all this.
    Point #1) Iraq was supposed to be part of the war or terror, a reaction to 9/11 and something supposed to make the west and it's interests safer. Those mystery WMD's were supposedly known to have been there "down to the litre." They INSISTED they knew they were there and that we could topple Saddam and win the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people, and create a Democratic Iraq.

    Point #2) All of the above, with the exception of one election, was totally fucking bungled at the highest levels of the administration.

    Point #3) If Iraq wasn't part of the war on terror before we went in (and it obviously wasn't) it sure as fucking god is a part of it after we supposedly "won." It's totally overrun with terrorists, now. Before it was a bunch of Baathist fascists who weren't even all that religious, in fact according to Osama Saddam was an 'infidel.' Now it's a bunch of freaks blowing thelselves up because Allah 'says so' (according to their warped views on islam). Cheny says the insurgency is dwindling, but EVERYTHING we have been told about this war has been flat out untrue from the get-go. It was all bullshit because either the administration lied or the administration is a bunch of incompetent morons with no idea what they got themselves -and the rest of us- into.

    Point #4) Saddam's mass graves are a bummer, but using that as justification for the war retroactively is still stupid (us comic book folk call that a retcon, like what they did with the Huntress when the powers that be at DC decided she wasn't reeeeeeeeally Batman and Catwoman's daughter, so they go back and rewrite history to make it seem that it was never like that in the first place). Plenty of Mass graves all over the planet and you don't see Bush beating war drums to invade Zaire or Rowanda or some other broken down third world country. We had a beef with Iraq because the job went unfinished last time and that's the bottom line. We KNEW FOR A FACT that North Korea had a full blown Nuke program AND Mass graves. I don't see the stars and bars flying over Kim Jung's palace.

    Point #5) Are we safer now? No. Instead, we've created "Little Osama" (Abu Musab al-Zarqawi) and lifted him up on a pedestle for Al-Jazeera to parade around and all the good little would be terrorists to have another murderous littlke head-chopping robin hood Icon and name their little babies Musab or Abu, or however they do it. We chopped at the wrong hydra head and created two more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madcap
    Point #4) Saddam's mass graves are a bummer, but using that as justification for the war retroactively is still stupid (us comic book folk call that a retcon, like what they did with the Huntress when the powers that be at DC decided she wasn't reeeeeeeeally Batman and Catwoman's daughter, so they go back and rewrite history to make it seem that it was never like that in the first place). Plenty of Mass graves all over the planet and you don't see Bush beating war drums to invade Zaire or Rowanda or some other broken down third world country. We had a beef with Iraq because the job went unfinished last time and that's the bottom line. We KNEW FOR A FACT that North Korea had a full blown Nuke program AND Mass graves. I don't see the stars and bars flying over Kim Jung's palace.
    So would you feel better if Bush went on Meet the Press tomorrow morning and said that in the next 12-18 months we will launch all out attacks on North Korea, Zaire, and Rwanda? Or would you be more content with CIA assassin missions like Kennedy tried on Castro back in the 60s?

    Oh and by the way the stars and bars refers to the confederate flag. So unless Lynyrd Skynyrd is planning an assault on North Korea I don't ever expect to see them flying over North Korea. And something tells me there's another thread her on stripperweb dedicated to the symbolism of the confederate flag.

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    Default Re: If you support the war why aren't you enlisted?

    Quote Originally Posted by DarthMonkey
    So would you feel better if Bush went on Meet the Press tomorrow morning and said that in the next 12-18 months we will launch all out attacks on North Korea, Zaire, and Rwanda? Or would you be more content with CIA assassin missions like Kennedy tried on Castro back in the 60s?
    No, but people claiming the mass graves was why we went to war would make a lot more sense. We didn't go to war over Mass Graves, if we did then we'd have 50 years of war ahead of us while we went after all the other folk that do that sort of thing, we went to war over WMD. The mass graves are irrelevant to the issue, we knew they were there for two decades and never went to war over them.

    The fact that there WERE no WMD says one of two things (Maybe a little of both), the statement was bullshit from the get-go, or that someone upon high (in whichever nation) is really friggin' DUMB and really needs to lose their job.

    Quote Originally Posted by DarthMonkey
    Oh and by the way the stars and bars refers to the confederate flag. So unless Lynyrd Skynyrd is planning an assault on North Korea I don't ever expect to see them flying over North Korea. And something tells me there's another thread her on stripperweb dedicated to the symbolism of the confederate flag.
    LOL, whatever.

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