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    lol
    Guys guys guys
    Its not the same.


    A woman selling credit cards, BMW's,or real estate, isnt the same as a woman selling a lapdance.
    I agree with DW's way,because it just that,another way,and im for any way(legal and moral).
    The more ammo these girls have the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    lol
    Guys guys guys
    Its not the same.

    Ok I guess I should provide proof.
    Take all the sales seminars you see on TV.
    All the professional speakers that do the big corp sales teams like Ford and chevy for big money.
    All the seminars in hotel convention rooms.
    All the sales technic videos and books for sale by world renowned speakers at Barnes and Noble.

    Everything they say can be used in real day to day sales,and im positive they work,I have seen a few myself and learned alot.
    Sure basic sales technics are good to have with human interaction,but heres where the adult industry is different imo.(and should be the proof you need to see my point,however stupid it may be)

    Walk into your local mall.
    Look at the first 10 girls you see.
    Then ask yourself,would these same sales technics work with them and help them sell lapdances,half naked,in a roomfull of guys??
    If you see more then 30% of the 10 as a yes,please tell me where you shop!!!
    Then riddle me this,would the first 10 females you saw,if they were selling you a house,and using these great sales technics,how many of them would you say could do it??
    I would guess around 60%+(or you need to find a new place to shop)
    It is NOT the same.
    My point is,an ugly girl,using sales technics designed for girls who sell houses or bmw's,just isnt going to work alla time and a 5%er,with no sales skills and an IQ lower then the heat index in Alaska, will.
    Its primal guys,while there is "sales"involved,most of that is"sold"on initial visual.

    Im not talking about the group of guys who regular go to a club,we are talking about birthday parties and bach parties.Different breed.
    Most of these guys are NOT strip club goers.(another reason why,when alot of girls and dj's(to include me)dont like parties,they really are a wellspring for new addicted custies.diff thread though but should be addressed)
    These guys are not the professional strip club goers.
    Its often dads with sons and fathers of the brides with future son in laws.
    They are there for the hottest girl in the room acording to the group.
    If the dancer isnt that girl,then she just isnt,and no amount of sales techs,mine or any store bought brand,is gonna help.
    ladies...
    To save time,target the alpha(s)in the group or the banker.
    If you dont get them,the best your going to get is the beta droppings,cause they WILL bring in more girls till the alpha and the banker are happy with what THEY have.
    This is often confused by dancers as "that bitch is moving in on me with this party"when it really isnt,its the alpha and the banker still looking for a hotter dancer or one closer to what they were looking for before they got there.

    Its the same,its just not the same in the trenches of this industry.
    If your a 5%er,none of this matters at all,your what they came in for and it doesnt matter if you can spell your name let alone woo them with sales tecnics.

    This is just my opinion on birthday parties and bach parties,and again,any way is a good way imo.

    If someone wants to credit thier red shoes with a sale,im all for the red shoe sales technic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    Ok I guess I should provide proof.
    Take all the sales seminars you see on TV.
    All the professional speakers that do the big corp sales teams like Ford and chevy for big money.
    All the seminars in hotel convention rooms.
    All the sales technic videos and books for sale by world renowned speakers at Barnes and Noble.

    Everything they say can be used in real day to day sales,and im positive they work,I have seen a few myself and learned alot.
    Sure basic sales technics are good to have with human interaction,but heres where the adult industry is different imo.(and should be the proof you need to see my point,however stupid it may be)
    From someone who is a professional speaker and sales trainer you often see in hotel convention rooms etc., I can tell you you're incorrect. Rule #1 to sales is that sales is sales is sales. When you are good at sales, you are good at sales. The product, quite frankly, is completely irrelavant. I can guarantee you as an absolute matter of fact that I could sell pools the same way I sell real estate. I could sell real estate the same way I sell cars. I can sell cars the same way I can sell cell phones, etc. etc. etc. etc. I know this because it's what I've been doing on a high-end level for ten years now. There are, of course, tweaks to this such as the methods for selling via telemarketing is different than selling face-to-face in a car lot. And yet many of the same core techniques are the same. This is why a seminar teaching you how to be effective at selling real estate is a different seminar than one teaching car salespeople or even a seminar teaching how to sell lapdances. You have to know the finesses of the differen product points. Other than that though, the core material is mostly identical. Sales is sales is sales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DancerWealth
    Sales is sales is sales.
    Well I certainly hope you are right DW. I'm about to go into financial sales and will be selling on the phone AND in person, to groups AND individuals. <fingers crossed>

    Ok, BigGreen, what is the 5%er exactly?
    -Is it the best looking girl with the best body?
    -Is it the most experienced entertainer?
    -Is it the most clever lady with the gift for gab?

    I am thinking its a combination, until you said

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine
    Well I certainly hope you are right DW. I'm about to go into financial sales and will be selling on the phone AND in person, to groups AND individuals. <fingers crossed>

    Ok, BigGreen, what is the 5%er exactly?
    -Is it the best looking girl with the best body?
    -Is it the most experienced entertainer?
    -Is it the most clever lady with the gift for gab?

    I am thinking its a combination, until you said
    No hope needed...I know I'm right.

    Seriously though, the top 5% (actually top 20% is as measured in sales figures) does not stem from any one item you listed.

    I know countless super hot dancers earning in the bottom 20% of their clubs. I know even more experienced dancers in the same boat. Experienced does not always mean skilled. Ask yourself this, how many dancers do you know working longer than you have who earn less? I know many people with the gift of gab that do well, but not great. It's a combination of all these things. No one single thing will do it. I know when I sell that I'm in probably the top 20% of seminar speakers nationwide when it comes to closing sales. I also know that if I were to lose another 50 pounds, it would push me into the top 10% which is why I'm in the process of losing weight as we speak. The reason isn't because I'm horrible to look at on stage, but I know that when I slim down a bit, I will be a bit more charismatic which will definitely help my sales. It's not to say that being a better looking guy on stage will make sales go better alone. It's just one of the many tools in the toolbelt. No one thing does it. It's a combination of a lot of things. It's why in virtually any club, you'll have tons of supermodels barely able to make their house fees and numerous less-than-average beauties making top dollar. Having great looks in this business helps, don't get me wrong, but it's not the end-all-be-all of money making talents either.

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    Yoga baby!!! Good for the body AND the mind!!

    We had a speaker in training class yesterday who is one of the top sellers, trainers, and speakers at the finance company I am starting with. He is very heavyset and told us he hates people. BUT, he sells the hell out of some mutual funds, 90% success rate after 2 years!

    I agree, it must be a combination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine
    Yoga baby!!! Good for the body AND the mind!!

    We had a speaker in training class yesterday who is one of the top sellers, trainers, and speakers at the finance company I am starting with. He is very heavyset and told us he hates people. BUT, he sells the hell out of some mutual funds, 90% success rate after 2 years!

    I agree, it must be a combination.
    Pretty much.

    As I mentioned, I work for a credit card company that also does mortgages and such. The position I'm in is somewhat unique at the company as we push a variety of products to people that varies from simple credit card balance transfers to massive home equity loans, refi's, and consumer finance loans. It just depends on what fits best when we eye them up, and a lot of time the customer doesn't even realize what we're doing at first.

    It's all about sounding confident and like y'know what the hell you're talking about, being somewhat but not overly aggressive (it's not face to face, phone), and product knowledge. You have to snap off product points and counterarguments as if you were psychic and knew the questions were coming....and the customer has to trust you. Pronouncing a difficult name correctly the first time does amazing things for rapport.

    If you're successful at reading people in the club, knowing what they're looking for, and selling dances, you should be fine in any sales area if you can understand and easily explain what products you were pushing.

    It's funny how much other factors besides just interest rates or dollars saved can affect buyers....I was listening to a friend of mine push one of our products once, and he couldn't beat the interest rate a competitor was offering our customer. Finally, the customer just asked him why he should stay with us. My buddy let go with a line I never thought would work. "Me, sir. The other company doesn't have <insert name here> working for it!" and started talking about just customer service stuff.

    The guy actually said "Y'know, you're right" and ended up paying us more money then he would have with the competitor.

    People are nuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biz

    It's funny how much other factors besides just interest rates or dollars saved can affect buyers....
    The thing to remember about sales is that it's not about the interest rates why people shop with you. Studies have shown over and over again that people would rather spend more or save less with companies that provide better service in some other area. People would much rather buy from who they trust than who they like. People trust companies or sales people and they buy.

    Also understand that customers make purchase decisions based first on emotion and then back it up with logic. People don't buy a car because it gets great gas mileage, they buy it because it was fun to drive on the test-drive. By selling your product by interest rates alone, you're going to have a tough sell. Trigger their emotions first, THEN back it up with logic, and you'll hit it out of the park.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DancerWealth
    The thing to remember about sales is that it's not about the interest rates why people shop with you. Studies have shown over and over again that people would rather spend more or save less with companies that provide better service in some other area. People would much rather buy from who they trust than who they like. People trust companies or sales people and they buy.
    Agreed, that was my company's whole philosophy actually. We didn't want to be the lower rate, we just wanted to kick the tar out of everyone else service wise. It works, too....usually the people who just want rates jump from company to company anyways and y'don't make anything off of them.

    I believe it, it's just amusing when you see it play out as true sometimes, like with the example I listed.

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    There's a great book I'm reading right now that you (as well as any dancers) should pick up. It talks a lot about these types of issues. It's called The New Science of Selling and Persuasion: How Smart Companies and Great Salespeople Sell by William T. Brooks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine
    Ok, BigGreen, what is the 5%er exactly?
    -Is it the best looking girl with the best body?
    -Is it the most experienced entertainer?
    -Is it the most clever lady with the gift for gab?
    lol looks like i started another thread???????????

    I swear officer,I didnt do it!!lolol

    Its number 1 Kat.
    Its the prom queen.

    Its that girl at work who is so hot,she never gets to walk all the way around the room without getting a lapdance offer.
    Its the girl who turns everyones head when she enters a room.
    Its the girl who never has to ask"do you want a lapdance" because the answer is always yes.
    Its the girl all the girls love to hate,the ones who dont even have to try,and they still make more money then anyone else.
    It aint fair,its nature.
    Expierience and the gift of clever gab doesnt matter one bit.

    Thats why ANY beautiful woman can start doing this job tonight,with little or no training,no sales skills,and often times,not even able to speak the same language as the customers.

    How do the big breasted blondes who travel to Japan or the russian girls who travel to the states do it when they cant even talk the same lingo as thier customers??

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    Quote Originally Posted by DancerWealth
    No hope needed...I know I'm right.

    Seriously though, the top 5% (actually top 20% is as measured in sales figures) does not stem from any one item you listed.

    I know countless super hot dancers earning in the bottom 20% of their clubs.
    Lol,and "E" kills brain cells and beating off causes hair on yer palms.

    In over 20+ years,I have NEVER NEVER NEVER seen a "super hot dancer"who earned in the bottom 20% in a club.
    Even if they are a stuck up bitch,they will still be in the top 20%,NOT the bottom 20%.
    To say that a super hot dancer is going to make less then an average looking girl in this industry is just silly and very very PC and financially motivated imo.

    This business is about the super hot girls,not the ugly ones with sales training.

    I know even more experienced dancers in the same boat. Experienced does not always mean skilled. Ask yourself this, how many dancers do you know working longer than you have who earn less? I know many people with the gift of gab that do well, but not great. It's a combination of all these things. No one single thing will do it. I know when I sell that I'm in probably the top 20% of seminar speakers nationwide when it comes to closing sales. I also know that if I were to lose another 50 pounds, it would push me into the top 10% which is why I'm in the process of losing weight as we speak. The reason isn't because I'm horrible to look at on stage, but I know that when I slim down a bit, I will be a bit more charismatic which will definitely help my sales. It's not to say that being a better looking guy on stage will make sales go better alone. It's just one of the many tools in the toolbelt. No one thing does it. It's a combination of a lot of things. It's why in virtually any club, you'll have tons of supermodels barely able to make their house fees and numerous less-than-average beauties making top dollar. Having great looks in this business helps, don't get me wrong, but it's not the end-all-be-all of money making talents either.
    Lose 50 lbs,this is exactly what im talking about,you just said it,thank you.

    If you were to say 50lbs would raise you from the bottom 20% to the top 50%,I would agree.
    But to say that your in the TOP 20%,and 50lbs would raise you to the top 10% is a whole different deal,your already at the top.
    Its exactly what im talking about,sales on visual.
    It has very little to do with what courses you take,how many seminars you pay for,phone calls,books read etc,its all about the initial visual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine
    Yoga baby!!! Good for the body AND the mind!!

    We had a speaker in training class yesterday who is one of the top sellers, trainers, and speakers at the finance company I am starting with. He is very heavyset and told us he hates people. BUT, he sells the hell out of some mutual funds, 90% success rate after 2 years!

    I agree, it must be a combination.
    Another great example.
    Listen to every word this guy says Kat,its all good and will help you in many ways in the future.Im not bashing this guys course.

    A fat guy can sell the hell outta mutual funds with a 90% closing rate.
    A fat girl cant sell lapdances at a 90% closing rate.

    If you had to bet on one,with every dollar you had,who would you pick to win...

    1.super hot girl with no training at all.
    2.fat girl with 50 paid for seminars and training classes


    On any sales floor,the fat girl would win most times im sure,
    but in THIS industry,the fat girl will be going home broke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DancerWealth
    The thing to remember about sales is that it's not about the interest rates why people shop with you. Studies have shown over and over again that people would rather spend more or save less with companies that provide better service in some other area.
    I agree.
    A strip club custie will pass on the super hot dancer and go with an average looking dancer who provides better "services" like "extras".

    People would much rather buy from who they trust than who they like. People trust companies or sales people and they buy.
    again we agree,makes perfect sense to me when selling cars.
    Except of course,if we are talking about selling lapdances to strangers.
    To think a custie has to "trust"his dancer before he gets a lapdance is retarded.
    Also understand that customers make purchase decisions based first on emotion and then back it up with logic.
    Very true,except of course if we are talking about selling lapdances.
    Guys are listening to thier dicks.
    If thier dick isnt telling them to buy buy buy,no amount of sales training will change that.
    People don't buy a car because it gets great gas mileage, they buy it because it was fun to drive on the test-drive. By selling your product by interest rates alone, you're going to have a tough sell. Trigger their emotions first, THEN back it up with logic, and you'll hit it out of the park.
    People buy cars because of how they look,more times then they do for function or for great gas milage.
    Guys buy lapdances because of how the girl looks.

    How many people do you think buy a car that they dont think looks good???

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    To say that a super hot dancer is going to make less then an average looking girl in this industry is just silly and very very PC and financially motivated imo.

    This business is about the super hot girls,not the ugly ones with sales training.
    The next time you come to Vegas let me know and I'll be happy to point out a few hundred examples.

    For example, there is a club in Vegas where the GM will ONLY hire "10"s. If you are a "9" he sends you elsewhere. So, in a club full of only super hot dancers, the sales figures in that club are 100% identical to any other club, or real estate agency, or auto dealership...it's the 80/20 rule. This indusry is about sales. To deny that is ignorant. It's as obvious as can be.

    I just got back from New Orleans last week. My friends and I went into a club on Bourbon Street...nice club...Ricks. They seated us at a table on the tip rail where we proceed to throw enormous amounts of money on the stage. In less than 1/2 an hour, we threw over $300.00 up on the stage. At this point, not ONE dancer bothered to come sit with us. Rather most of them were doing the usual dancer things...sitting at the bar, talking with each other on the wall, hanging out in the DJ booth, or worse yet, sitting with customers for 10, 15, 20 minutes or longer with customers who didn't even so much as pry their wallets open to buy them a drink. So here we are, three well-dressed guys, spending money like there's no tomrrow.

    So finally a dancer walks by and asks to sit down. She wasn't the best looking lady in the club, but she looked nice. She was amazed when she found out that nobody had sat down with us before. Then she just shook her head when she realized the competition in this (as with 90% of other clubs) was really weak. She make $400.00 off my friend that night. This scenario isn't the exception, it's the rule in this business in most clubs now. I'm not saying that if you are 400 pounds and 68 years old you're going to do as well or better than the 27 year old Hawaiian Tropics model next to you by any stretch. But if you are reasonably attractive, have your mental game on, some sales skills in your toolbelt, you'll beat the supermodels in your club every time running. The numbers prove it over and over again.

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    I've worked at Ricks NOLA and at Club Paradise in Vegas. I presume that is the club you mentioned above DW, because the GM had a meeting with us and decisively informed the staff that he only wanted Playboy-Centerfold types there.
    Club Paradise is one of the other clubs in Vegas that's now adopting that policy, but that wasn't the specific one I was referring to though. CP even used to have a policy a few years ago that no dancers were allowed with implants they were so strict. Then they ran into the issue that they couldn't get any dancers to work there with that rule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    To think a custie has to "trust"his dancer before he gets a lapdance is retarded.
    Really...

    Read post #19 in this thread. I was out of town and in a new club , so I wasn't exactly in my "going to see the ATF" mode.

    Once a guy has bought a dance from the hot chick who thinks she can give a lesser performance, or not wait for the next song, or not be genuinely thankful for getting the sale just because she's the queen B around there, one learns to choose his entertainers more carefully.

    Trial and error becomes rather expensive when you're paying $20-30 a pop, and nothing sucks worse than enduring an awful dance knowing that when its over, you're gonna owe this gal that kind of money for the priveldge of it. Once someone learns what a shark infested environment a SC can be, gaining trust doesn't seem so retarded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DancerWealth
    The next time you come to Vegas let me know and I'll be happy to point out a few hundred examples.
    For example, there is a club in Vegas where the GM will ONLY hire "10"s. If you are a "9" he sends you elsewhere. So, in a club full of only super hot dancers, the sales figures in that club are 100% identical to any other club, or real estate agency, or auto dealership...it's the 80/20 rule. This indusry is about sales. To deny that is ignorant. It's as obvious as can be.
    lol
    Of course its about sales,we just disagree with how much "sales technics"factor into the actual sale of a lapdance.

    I know what your talking about with 100% perfect 10's working,I have seen it a few times over my career,its very rare.
    But even then,when a guy walks in,he isnt going to just settle for the first girl that grabs him,then it becomes a search for a perfect 10 1/2.
    A guy's perfect 10 is hard to nail down,maybe its a blonde,maybe its a flat chested,maybe its a fat bottomed girl,its always different,even in a roomfull of playboy models.Its also why the Hummer comes in many different styles and colors.
    The "sales"has already been done by the guy who owns the club and is able to boast perfect 10's inside.
    For a sales technic to get any credit whatsoever,it would have to be a perfect 7-8 in a room full of those perfect 10's,and banking the same or more.
    I just dont see that happening very often.

    I just got back from New Orleans last week. My friends and I went into a club on Bourbon Street...nice club...Ricks. They seated us at a table on the tip rail where we proceed to throw enormous amounts of money on the stage. In less than 1/2 an hour, we threw over $300.00 up on the stage. At this point, not ONE dancer bothered to come sit with us. Rather most of them were doing the usual dancer things...sitting at the bar, talking with each other on the wall, hanging out in the DJ booth, or worse yet, sitting with customers for 10, 15, 20 minutes or longer with customers who didn't even so much as pry their wallets open to buy them a drink. So here we are, three well-dressed guys, spending money like there's no tomrrow.

    So finally a dancer walks by and asks to sit down. She wasn't the best looking lady in the club, but she looked nice. She was amazed when she found out that nobody had sat down with us before. Then she just shook her head when she realized the competition in this (as with 90% of other clubs) was really weak. She make $400.00 off my friend that night.
    ROFLMAO!!!!!

    sorry DW,300 bucks in under a half hour,from 3 guys, is NOT an enormous amount of money,the proof is the fact that it drew little or no attention.
    In some clubs,you would have been swarmed on like flies on chit,in other clubs,you get little play.
    5%ers are not very impressed with 300 bucks from 3 guys,but of course,it depends on the night.lol

    As an example on sales technics,this one above really sucks imo.

    All the girl did was stop by the table when nobody else would.

    You said she wasnt the best looking girl in the room,but what if she was the WORSE looking woman in the room???
    Would that have pissed you guys off???
    Would your friend still have spent 400 bucks on a woman who he wasnt attracted to,just on the basis off"she was the only one to come over".
    Nahhhhhh
    But hey,if being the first one at a table can be called a sales technic,i guess,the ONLY one to go to the table can be also be called a sales technic.lololololol

    This scenario isn't the exception, it's the rule in this business in most clubs now.
    Now???
    lolololol
    Dancers have always been lazy,specially the 5%ers!!
    Its the nature of the beast.
    If given the choice,they would all sit in the middle of the room like jabba the hut stripper and have guys just walk up and toss money on them without moving a muscle or breaking a sweat.
    Money and the lack of are the only things that get dancers moving.
    I'm not saying that if you are 400 pounds and 68 years old you're going to do as well or better than the 27 year old Hawaiian Tropics model next to you by any stretch.
    Agreed,and more proof that learned or paid for sales technics have little to do with the actual sale of a lapdance in our industry.
    The tropics model can be dumb as a box of hair and have no sales skills at all,she can even have a bugar hanging from her nose all night,she will still outsell the 400 pounder,regardless of how much training she has.
    But if you are reasonably attractive, have your mental game on, some sales skills in your toolbelt, you'll beat the supermodels in your club every time running. The numbers prove it over and over again.
    lol cmon now,this is the adult industry.
    We sell pussy,we sell pics of it,and we sell proximity to it.
    The reasonably atractive girl loses to the 5%ers,thats proven over and over again,nightly,at a club near you.
    The better looking girl gets the modeling contract.
    The better looking girl gets the leading role.
    the better looking girl gets the lapdance.

    Its the laws of the jungle,nature.

    If anyone thinks sales technics outweigh nature,then take ugly girls with paid for training and make as much money as the 5%ers.
    It wont happen IMO.
    Can you take "reasonably atractive"girls,with little or NO sales training and make money????
    Sure,we do it everyday in this business,im doing it now as we speak .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine
    Then there are other nights when there are 3 girls to a guy, and everyone is pissed because their team lost the game, and one of the girls has brought a baggie of goodies and flask of Everclear for the dressing room fixture girls.....and I can assure you that there is going to be a Barbie doll crying, puking, fighting, and getting sent home because she is lazy and feels entitled to make money doing nothing.......
    lol
    they scare me!!!!!
    They dont pull punches!!!!
    A prima donna NOT making money is like fuckin with a wounded mother bear protecting her cub,worse even,the bear dont got heels.
    I don't know about your neck of the woods Green, but I've worked with some of the most beautiful girls who just acted like trash. Eventually, even the guys get sick of their shit.
    Very true,trash is universal and can be found at just about any club.
    But we are talking about bparties and bach parties,a completely different animal.
    "Eventually"is only for the regs.

    In conclusion, you both make good points, there is no right/wrong. And a dancer can easilt turn herself into a 5% with some effort, experience, and the hands of a good surgeon
    A 5%er is a born with condition,either you are or your not imo.
    Sorry to point out your deformity to the forum,but the clubs you just listed are proof that you were born that way,and it doesnt matter how much training you get in sales,its only going to do you good in your other ventures.
    Even if you talked like Helen Keller,your still going to sell lapdances.
    A reasonably attractive girl with a BA is still a reasonably atractive female,only now atracting a different market because she has big boobs,this has nothing to do with sales abilities.

    DW has awsome points,and I still agree with 99% of what he says.I think anything a female can learn about sales is a good thing,but only because its something she can use in life after dancing or doing something inside of the adult industry,like featuring or ownership,it just doesnt have much to do with selling lapdances on a daily basis IMO and if dancers are going to spend money on "training"I would reccommend spending the money at a local collage with a course related to your major,or anything that can be acreddited<sp>and used on future resumes.

    If your a 5%er,your going to make money with little effort.
    If your reasonably atractive,your going to make money,you just gotta work a little harder.(like get up and go to a Table)
    If your ugly,doesnt matter how much sales training you have,you wont make alot of money in this business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish
    Really...

    Read . I was out of town and in a new club , so I wasn't exactly in my "going to see the ATF" mode.

    Once a guy has bought a dance from the hot chick who thinks she can give a lesser performance, or not wait for the next song, or not be genuinely thankful for getting the sale just because she's the queen B around there, one learns to choose his entertainers more carefully.

    Trial and error becomes rather expensive when you're paying $20-30 a pop, and nothing sucks worse than enduring an awful dance knowing that when its over, you're gonna owe this gal that kind of money for the priveldge of it. Once someone learns what a shark infested environment a SC can be, gaining trust doesn't seem so retarded.
    No disrespect or offense intended Doc,but your view of things are from a reg point of view,and on top of that,a reg here on SW.
    Selling to you is a different then selling to a bach party or to a birthday party.
    Its apples and oranges,night and day.

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    sorry DW,300 bucks in under a half hour,from 3 guys, is NOT an enormous amount of money,the proof is the fact that it drew little or no attention.
    When you consider that those 300 dollars that we spent in that 1/2 hour was more money than all the rest of the guys in the club (about 25) spent COLLECTIVELY in that amount of time, yeah I'd say it was a lot of money. We were the ONLY spenders in there...there were no others, so yeah, I'd say we were the ones drawing attention.

    Agreed,and more proof that learned or paid for sales technics have little to do with the actual sale of a lapdance in our industry.


    It's not proof at all and you are completely wrong on this issue. Obviously the first few times I said this didn't sink in so I'll repeat it. Looks are important in this industry. They are by far not the single most important factor. ALL evidence, sales figures, and statistics prove that fact.

    Everything you are doing here is extremely transparent. You're pissy over this "conflict of interest" nonsense of yours still. Funny how you're only one crusading on this topic and Pryce has even stated that fact. If you choose to take pot-shots at me in this way over and over again with your obviously antagonistic attitude, that's fine. It's your M.O. and your pattern. I really don't care. I know the truth that this is a sales industry as does every other person on this board and in this industry. The fact that you choose to not acknowledge that fact, or acknowledge the fact that perhaps you are not the end-all be-all of knowledge of this industry and keep your head in the sand is fine with me. I'm an EXPERT on sales Big Green. On a 1 to 10, I'm a 10. Guaranteed. And as an expert, I'm telling you, not debating with you, that you are wrong on this topic. It doesn't mean that I'm closed minded such as you. I learn new things every day on sales. EVERY day. I learn from people on here all the time. Even from you. I never take the attitude though of "I'm right, you're wrong, and if you think otherwise you're a fool" attitude that you do. That's what separates people like you and me. Your advice is always appreciated, but your negative and confrontational attitude is not.



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    It is totally wrong that the better-looking girl gets the lapdance; I have seen this not be the case thousands of times. I've seen hotties with bad attitudes sit at the bar all night long and average girls bank because they are friendly and can hustle. It is so profoundly stupid to think that this job is all about looks and not sales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DancerWealth


    I'm an EXPERT on sales Big Green. On a 1 to 10, I'm a 10. Guaranteed. And as an expert, I'm telling you, not debating with you, that you are wrong on this topic. Your advice is always appreciated, but your negative and confrontational attitude is not.


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    Dude,take a chill pill,thats not at issue,I have already said,many times,I agree with 99% of the shit you say.Do we need to "hug it out bitch?"
    The original post was about selling to a bach party,or a birthday party,NOT "SALES AND DANCING" as its been transformed into, as this offshoot thread.(im still not sure why that was done btw,all my points were/are directly responsive to selling to bach parties and to b day parties.The term "sales and dancing"is a much broader scope,and isnt ay issue,its Bparties)
    Anyways..

    The discussion is about bach parties and birthday parties and how to sell to them.(at least it was)
    Im not going to give up on ya yet DW,i got alot more "Points" to add for ya so maybe you can understand my view from the booth for decades as opposed to yours from the local hotel convention room,and where they meet and dont meet.
    (99% of the time they do,thats why you can do what you do,only this isnt one of them imo)

    Bparties usually are bar hoppers,specially in areas where the titty bars are beer and wine only.An uneducated guess would be about 1-2 hours at a club max.So your on a timer(not you,but us).
    If your the only titty bar in the area,no prob,but if your not,your time is even shorter.
    Bparties,as i already have said,are not your usual club goers.They are looking for playboy models,not intellectual conversation.(you confused the regs with them im guessing)
    Its a quick fix kinda thing,we wont see most of them again soon.(different thread topic on how you CAN gurantee thier return,maybe you can start that thread DW,then we can piss on each other again,all the while,the girls learn something from different angles for free.See how this works? )

    Can we at least agree on the pack of animals we are hunting???
    I already know we do,so i shall continue...

    In this pack of animals,i said two targets when there is actually 3,I forgot the groom or the bday boy.
    Alpha male
    the banker
    the groom/bday boy
    Those are the only important guys that night,they make or break what happens for the reasons i have already stated.
    Some girl spouting sales pitches for 15 mins,and only getting one of the beta males(not one of the three)back in the vip isnt helping,she is basically in the freekin way of real money being made,or an extended stay.And now,the three important guys are already thinking about the club down the street.
    Yes that one dancer may sell 4-5 dances to the NEWBIE beta club goer,but i cant tell you how many times i have seen the party gone when he comes out of the vip room,and he is on the cell phone playing catch up to the body of the party/pack,at a club down the road,where one of the "three"are the focus(as it should be).

    There is only 1 way to sell a bach party or bday party correctly in a strip club,with the end result being
    1.the most amount of time spent in seat
    2.most amount of girls making money

    The only way is to anchor one of those three,or all of them,with the hottest girls in the room,not your average girls with sales pitches that waste time and could cause the group to leave and look elsewhere.
    The lapdance for the groom/bday boy is basically sold before they get there,thats almost factual its so often true,its basically why they are there.It takes little salesmanship to sell an icecream cone to someone who walks into an icecream shop looking for a scoop of icecream.(if a guy comes in wanting vanilla,NO average girl is going to "sell"him chocolate)
    The group wants the lapdance done by the hottest girl they can find,thats also decided before they get there generally,wouldnt you say?
    The only way to keep that group there is for a 5%er to move in and nail down one of those guys.Then the average girls with the sales pitches can come in and feed off the betas.
    Thats the only way its going to work,just like in nature,im not takin credit for inventing it.

    If you have an average dancer with a sales pitch trying to sell this breed of animal pack,most of the pitch will go unheard by the three important ones because they are to busy looking at the 5%er across the room,wondering how to get her over to them.
    If that doesnt happen,and soon,the group is gone,and very soon.
    The average girl with the sales pitch is in the way,and fucking up the money making machine.
    Its her fault they left.
    Thats not book learnin on how to be a stripper,that real life shit on how to make the most money out of that group of customer.
    Feel free to incorporate that into your paid course.(ok that was a jab,and was done as a joke,lighten the fuck up already!)

    Dude,as a sales professional,even you have to admit,its sales 101,
    sometimes you dont need a sales pitch.

    Im not guessing at this,I know it to be fact,selling to a bparty takes no sales,only a 5%er as an anchor on one of those three.

    Do it any other way,and your just not fuckin that horse correctly,for the club,for the girls as a group(5%ers and the average),and most important,to the B parties themselves.
    Ok wait,and for the most mostest important thing,the amount of money that can be made off THAT breed of customer.

    Dw,if your going to "call me out"about "calling you out"at least make it during a discussion where sales services are needed.This isnt one of them.
    If you would like to discuss the 5 mins in a dancer-custie relationship where we agree,salesmanship is needed,then so be it,I except the challenge to agree for the betterment of the queens during that thread.Again,this isnt that post or thread.

    Your salesmenship overview,adapted to stripperweath answer, just isnt correct in this situation,can we now move on to where it does aplly so we can all agree again???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Susan Wayward
    It is totally wrong that the better-looking girl gets the lapdance;
    lol
    guys go to danceclubs for the average girls.
    They pay the money at strip clubs for the "better looking"girls.

    Guys dont come to strip clubs for average girls,the regs do.
    Dont confuse the two.


    Oh wait,you already did

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    Our topless bars are full liquor and bach parties often stay for hours, usually looking for girls to go back to the hotel with them for private show (this annoys me to no end).

    You can have your theory about the 5% with 0 sales pitch, but how many dances do the bach and alpha get anyway? They aren't just looking for the hottest girls, they are looking for AS MANY girls as possible!

    They want the Barbie and the dominatrix and the two-girl combo, etc ad nauseum.

    Sales pitch or not, you aren't going to make much money off of your 3 above guys because they are going to be rotating a lineup of first-string starters.

    Ok, they can have their 5%ers, bachelor parties are quick easy cash to be forgotten immediately afterwards. I'vee also had many a bachelor party where the bachelor wanted me and no one else. Through his friends' boos, we went off into our corner and had fun. But I don't count on that from a bachelor party.

    A regular small groups of guys is a different pitch alltogether, and the DW principles can apply. Why not?

    People stay in my club all night, till 4am sometimes. Our dances are full contact and we have a ton of girls coming in throughout the night. The atmosphere is truly a party during the weekend. All the girls get their chance, even the average ones.

    Just think a little bit outside of the East coast box for this one.

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