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    Quote Originally Posted by The Other Owner
    I'm curious what makes you think that because you have to pay cash to a dancer to get her to fuck you, you're convinced that every other guy in the club is in the same position. To put it bluntly: Dancers, like most women, date guys who they want to fuck. They are not all 20-year-old unemployed musicians.

    Final thought: If you ever want to upgrade to the point where a dancer actually chooses you, you may want to rethink your position on sexual generosity and, uh, technique.
    You can't generalize what "dancers" want, as it is as varied as what customers want. Women don't necessarily date guys they want to fuck, they may date guys they want to marry, or for some other reason. I have only actually wanted to fuck maybe two customers in nine years, and I passed then. I don't know any dancers who actually wanted to fuck customers. Sorry guys, but customers just aren't sexy.


    Mod note: Obviously, ET didn't start this thread. This thread was split from the OTC thread. Obviously, it was split a little awkwardly, with her quoting a post from the other thread. Sorry. That's the way it goes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erotictonic
    Sorry guys, but customers just aren't sexy.
    OK, I understand. You can generalize, we can't. Just want to make sure about the rules.

    Every time I see a post from a dancer who's been in the business since the Pleisticine and absolutely insists that she's never, ever, ever even remotely been attracted to, interested in, aware of, or vaguely conscious of the mere existence of the protoplasm that are "customers," it does strike me that she doeth protest too much.

    But ET I'll take you at your word. I am just immensely grateful that my personal experience is widely at variance from yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Other Owner
    OK, I understand. You can generalize, we can't. Just want to make sure about the rules.
    Damn, I want to generalize about something. I'm so disappointed

    Quote Originally Posted by The Other Owner
    Every time I see a post from a dancer who's been in the business since the Pleisticine and absolutely insists that she's never, ever, ever even remotely been attracted to, interested in, aware of, or vaguely conscious of the mere existence of the protoplasm that are "customers," it does strike me that she doeth protest too much.
    The ones who protest too much... I just assume they are lesbian, or a man hater.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xdamage
    Damn, I want to generalize about something. I'm so disappointed



    The ones who protest too much... I just assume they are lesbian, or a man hater.
    Nope, just being honest. The ones who pretend they like you are pretending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erotictonic
    Nope, just being honest. The ones who pretend they like you are pretending.
    Well, If they are pretending to pretend than that means they really like us....right?

    At least you aren't generalizing....
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    Quote Originally Posted by erotictonic
    Nope, just being honest. The ones who pretend they like you are pretending.
    She doesn't like me? OMG - so many delusions shattered.

    Well that's it for me guys, guess I'll just pack it up and turn in my towel. Here I've been paying $20+tip a lap and I assumed she was grinding on my cock and telling me sweet nothings because we had something special!!!

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    you gonna be ok?

    Buddy?

    Do you need a hug?

    Want a pepsi?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mastridonicus
    you gonna be ok?

    Buddy?

    Do you need a hug?

    Want a pepsi?

    Well I've gotten over the shock. Good news! I realize it's not quite as bad as I thought in those initial moments. Now that I've had time to calm down and think about it rationally I think I finally see, ... see oh yea, that nope, I was right. Some dancers are man haters and lesbians.

    So I'm back in the game guys! Why you can call me "Cougar", aka Mr. Top Gun!

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    Quote Originally Posted by erotictonic
    Nope, just being honest. The ones who pretend they like you are pretending.
    So when I have a real relationship with a dancer OTC, no money involved, go clubbing together, meet her friends, talk to her family, hang out at her place or mine, go out to dinner, have sex,...you know, what we all normally do in real life, she is still pretending?

    I need to know this, because if it's true, there are a few calls I have to make to the Academy nominating committee immediately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xdamage
    The ones who protest too much... I just assume they are lesbian, or a man hater.
    Well, for the record, that wasn't what I was suggesting at all.

    The taboo against dating customers runs so strong that sometimes it seems to turn into a fanatical ideology, at least in public. It reminds me of the U.S. Marxists in the 30s who would spit furiously at the monied classes when speaking in public but then turned out to have half a million dollars squirreled away in a Swiss Bank account.

    Like I said, I take ET at her word. My experience is simply different.

    What has always been far more interesting about this board, particularly the pink side, is the radical difference between what appears (or is admitted to) in public posts vs. what we talk about in PMs. In my experience, the PMs are where we all let our hair down and take risks with each other and learn a lot more about each other. When we meet in person, it's through PMs. Based on my experience with the dancers or ex-dancers I have met in person or spoken to on the phone, or made arrangements with, PMs are where the "truth" lies.

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    Some days I feel like I'm the only honest pinkie left out there.My honesty even got me requested to stay down here in in the deep dark dysmal abyss...

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    xDamage: Ladies call me, The Zapper.

    I had a great time last night in a semi-local club that I think will become a fav soon. I'm a little screwed in the head by it, but in a good way. I gotta post it tho I'll get hung by my nutz for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine
    Some days I feel like I'm the only honest pinkie left out there.My honesty even got me requested to stay down here in in the deep dark dysmal abyss...
    Kat: Are you freaking serious??!! Those hypocrites actually had the balls to ask you not to post up their?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine
    Some days I feel like I'm the only honest pinkie left out there.My honesty even got me requested to stay down here in in the deep dark dysmal abyss...
    Yeah, but your honesty is why we all adore you, Kat.

    OK, I lied, it's your fabulous ass. But you knew that already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erotictonic
    You can't generalize what "dancers" want, as it is as varied as what customers want.
    Wait a minute, didn't you just generalize dancers as "damaged" women who want bisexual rockstar boyfriends that treat them like cum dumpsters??

    Women don't necessarily date guys they want to fuck, they may date guys they want to marry, or for some other reason.
    I don't know about you, but I wouldn't marry a guy I didn't love to fuck.

    Sorry guys, but customers just aren't sexy.
    Okay, while I suppose it does depend on the customer, ET has a point here.

    As I've said elsewhere, the dancer-customer relationship is a somewhat adversarial one, and dancers learn through experience that it is best to avoid any attempt to transform that relationship into something healthy and nurturing and real OTC. It just doesn't translate well.

    Any dancer who survives beyond her first year or two in the business learns that it is a piss-poor idea to mix business and pleasure by seriously dating guys you meet in the club. I did fuck a few customers for free OTC during my first year...including one with whom I had a 3-year relationship (total trainwreck, of course...) After that, I just didn't view customers as viable options anymore. I could think to myself, objectively: "He's pretty hot. I'd do him." But I'd still steadfastly refuse to give him my number, or to call him if he gave me his. I just had a block about it.

    However, this mentality applied only to customers I met ITC. When it comes to guys I meet anywhere else, I actually prefer to date men who have some experience with the Industry--preferably as casual customers (though a Junkie past doesn't necessarily rule them out ). I have trouble in relationships with guys who are clueless about the sex industry. They tend to get freaked out when my Stripper Self rears her ugly head.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Other Owner
    Well, for the record, that wasn't what I was suggesting at all.
    No, you weren't suggesting that. Didn't mean to suggest those were your thoughts. Entirely mine. Then again some men hate women, or are gay and feel no sexual attraction to women (and some of these end up as male strippers) - so its all even steven in the end.

    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine
    Some days I feel like I'm the only honest pinkie left out there.My honesty even got me requested to stay down here in in the deep dark dysmal abyss...
    I've seen your posts. Your honest rocks. I love it. I think the guys love it in general. It's fucking refreshing. GO kat!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mastridonicus
    xDamage: Ladies call me, The Zapper.

    I had a great time last night in a semi-local club that I think will become a fav soon. I'm a little screwed in the head by it, but in a good way. I gotta post it tho I'll get hung by my nutz for it.
    sounds like a story we all want to hear

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicolina
    Okay, while I suppose it does depend on the customer, ET has a point here.

    As I've said elsewhere, the dancer-customer relationship is a somewhat adversarial one, and dancers learn through experience that it is best to avoid any attempt to transform that relationship into something healthy and nurturing and real OTC. It just doesn't translate well.
    Well you know, male/female relationships OTC are somewhat adversarial - surprisingly thats a good thing in the long run, even if it doesn't seem to be on the surface. But I digress...

    Really my point was not dancers should date (or fuck) customers, or even be attracted to them, but simply that dancers that spend too much time telling us how much we all suck (we = customers) and how unattractive we are (without exceptions) makes me wonder? Soooo much energy poured into letting us know how much you don't like us, you don't find us appealing, blah blah ... what is the dancer getting out of letting us all know that? I'm thinking either* it's simple unemotional fact (in which case I'm thinking lesbian because its biologically unlikely a long term dancer would never meet an attractive customer) or its a subtle put down (in which case I'm thinking man hater).

    *Edit by xdamage - Third possibility - the dancer who protesth too much works in a real skank joint that over the years only attracts the worst of the worst of men. Well then, move up to a higher class of club (if the dancer can, maybe the problem is the dancer is not that attractive and can't get hired in the better clubs?).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicolina
    Wait a minute, didn't you just generalize dancers as "damaged" women who want bisexual rockstar boyfriends that treat them like cum dumpsters??

    LOL good point. Not ALL of them, but a great deal of them are damaged by the industry.



    I don't know about you, but I wouldn't marry a guy I didn't love to fuck.

    Again, good point. My point is though, that I specifically may date a guy I find a 10 personality-wise but only a 5 or so fuckable-wise. That only means that initially for a one-night-stand sort of thing I wouldn't be interested, but since I love him so much in other ways, I would love to fuck him. Initially, I don't necessarily choose to date guys I would love to fuck. I may date them for money, or because they can meet certain needs I have, or because we have so much in common and I genuinely like them. I have found in my experiences that the guys that are 10 in looks and fuckability are usually low on the personality and marriage scales, so it has to be a happy medium.



    Okay, while I suppose it does depend on the customer, ET has a point here.

    As I've said elsewhere, the dancer-customer relationship is a somewhat adversarial one, and dancers learn through experience that it is best to avoid any attempt to transform that relationship into something healthy and nurturing and real OTC. It just doesn't translate well.

    Any dancer who survives beyond her first year or two in the business learns that it is a piss-poor idea to mix business and pleasure by seriously dating guys you meet in the club. I did fuck a few customers for free OTC during my first year...including one with whom I had a 3-year relationship (total trainwreck, of course...) After that, I just didn't view customers as viable options anymore. I could think to myself, objectively: "He's pretty hot. I'd do him." But I'd still steadfastly refuse to give him my number, or to call him if he gave me his. I just had a block about it.

    However, this mentality applied only to customers I met ITC. When it comes to guys I meet anywhere else, I actually prefer to date men who have some experience with the Industry--preferably as casual customers (though a Junkie past doesn't necessarily rule them out ). I have trouble in relationships with guys who are clueless about the sex industry. They tend to get freaked out when my Stripper Self rears her ugly head.....
    I'm really just speaking for myself. I've hardly ever found customers sexy. It has nothing more or nothing less to do with it than that. And no, I'm not bullshitting or some deluded pinkie. I fucked one customer in nine years and he sucked in bed. I seem to be speaking for everyone, but I can't. I know there are other girls out there that are just pretending like I was, I just don't know the actual percentage. Of course some girls are going to do things for the money. If they aren't getting paid, it may be for a myriad of other reasons. It just depends on the girl and the situation. I just feel comfie telling the truth because I don't dance anymore. Alot of girls will pretend, then when you are out of sight, laugh in the shadows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xdamage
    No, you weren't suggesting that. Didn't mean to suggest those were your thoughts. Entirely mine. Then again some men hate women, or are gay and feel no sexual attraction to women (and some of these end up as male strippers) - so its all even steven in the end.



    I've seen your posts. Your honest rocks. I love it. I think the guys love it in general. It's fucking refreshing. GO kat!



    sounds like a story we all want to hear



    Well you know, male/female relationships OTC are somewhat adversarial - surprisingly thats a good thing in the long run, even if it doesn't seem to be on the surface. But I digress...

    Really my point was not dancers should date (or fuck) customers, or even be attracted to them, but simply that dancers that spend too much time telling us how much we all suck (we = customers) and how unattractive we are (without exceptions) makes me wonder? Soooo much energy poured into letting us know how much you don't like us, you don't find us appealing, blah blah ... what is the dancer getting out of letting us all know that? I'm thinking either* it's simple unemotional fact (in which case I'm thinking lesbian because its biologically unlikely a long term dancer would never meet an attractive customer) or its a subtle put down (in which case I'm thinking man hater).

    *Edit by xdamage - Third possibility - the dancer who protesth too much works in a real skank joint that over the years only attracts the worst of the worst of men. Well then, move up to a higher class of club (if the dancer can, maybe the problem is the dancer is not that attractive and can't get hired in the better clubs?).
    Nah, for one I suppose because the topic came up and I gave my two cents, number two, I don't like guys that go to sc, but I had to pretend to for 9 years and now it's liberating to tell the truth. Alot of us don't like our customers, we just do it for the money. In general, customers have a deluded reality that I want no part of. That's why you don't see pinkies knocking each other over trying to post over here. Let's face it... they don't even like you, much less want to fuck you. I suppose I have as much of a problem with the delusions over here as kat has with them on the other side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xdamage
    Really my point was not dancers should date (or fuck) customers, or even be attracted to them, but simply that dancers that spend too much time telling us how much we all suck (we = customers) and how unattractive we are (without exceptions) makes me wonder? Soooo much energy poured into letting us know how much you don't like us, you don't find us appealing, blah blah ... what is the dancer getting out of letting us all know that? I'm thinking either* it's simple unemotional fact (in which case I'm thinking lesbian because its biologically unlikely a long term dancer would never meet an attractive customer) or its a subtle put down (in which case I'm thinking man hater)
    Okay. First - disliking your customers (even all your customers, even irrationally) doesn't mean you dislike men. I go off and on with this, honestly. Sometimes customer antics make me laugh and seem entirely natural - others, you seem like a pretty despicable lot. And really, although it is unlikely that you have NEVER met a handsome customer, you can go a while without seeing one, or without dancing for one (which is what makes him your customer, really).

    Actually, though, I think you ask a good question. Why do so many of us (or really all of us, at least on occasion) really feel the drive to really lay into you guys about how much we hate (sometimes) customers. Why tell you this? Like, do we really imagine that you care, want to hear it, or... you know, care? I'm reasonably sure that you are no more interested in our feeling about customers than you are in the dancers that you patronize. I mean, sometimes it is probably as simple as a bad night. But I see something sort of analogous happening with you guys. Like, trip reports: why? I'm not criticizing, just wondering. Like do you guys really jerk off to this? Do you like reading it is a sexual way? That would make a certain amount of sense - I suspect, though, that most of you are sharing the stories the same way frat boys would share stories of conquests. You are doing it to show each other, and maybe yourselves, your dominance over these women, these clubs. Like how in charge you are, how in control, how much you get for how little money when other guys have to pay so much more for so much less. How at your mercy these girls are - witness our new, beloved Derek: "If you want money, I want pussy." But in pig latin. Girls are doing the same thing. We are trying to assert that WE are in control, that we pick and choose you, not the other way around and that for all you guys can pay us (or some of us) to DO certain things, you can't buy our respect, and that we take your money and give you our contempt - we go home and shower and sneer (in memory) at the unpleasant men who can't get pussy for free (because as someone else pointed out, dancers aren't that selective when it comes to sexual partners. Guys mock the unfortunates - the unemployed musicians, drug dealers that dancers sleep with for free, but to her, they are still better than you). Anyway. I've spent rather too much time summarizing the various ways customers and dancers like to dehumanize each other on this site. Point is, that I'm pretty sure that dancers are just slapping hands on top of the pile to declare that WE are in charge, and you are not.
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    I agree with xdamage's point of view, but understand Jenny's answer.

    I speak for myself only, but SW, as I thought, was a place where the veil of fantasy can come off and the thought process behind the fantasy can come out.

    If a dancer hates their customers, this should be the place to share it. And I'm sure they are out there.

    On that note the vice versa should be fair here.

    Now I know that I only speak for myself, but I buy into the lie. I may not be able to get similar activities for free OTC but I enjoy myself ITC. And honestly, I've never objectified a dancer :/. I don't care if she respects me or not, I really don't, but I will respect her and the rules of the club.

    A Doctor that I am a patient of doesn't need to respect me, but if he's my Doctor, I respect him.

    Sounds silly, but it just doesn't bother me. I like to get to know the person before I get the dance, Like FBR or Yoda. If she wont allow me to get to know her, fake or honestly, then I move to one who will.

    Good old Hurricane Jenny. She's honest. I respect that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    Okay. First - disliking your customers (even all your customers, even irrationally) doesn't mean you dislike men. I go off and on with this, honestly. Sometimes customer antics make me laugh and seem entirely natural - others, you seem like a pretty despicable lot. And really, although it is unlikely that you have NEVER met a handsome customer, you can go a while without seeing one, or without dancing for one (which is what makes him your customer, really).

    Actually, though, I think you ask a good question. Why do so many of us (or really all of us, at least on occasion) really feel the drive to really lay into you guys about how much we hate (sometimes) customers. Why tell you this? Like, do we really imagine that you care, want to hear it, or... you know, care? I'm reasonably sure that you are no more interested in our feeling about customers than you are in the dancers that you patronize. I mean, sometimes it is probably as simple as a bad night. But I see something sort of analogous happening with you guys. Like, trip reports: why? I'm not criticizing, just wondering. Like do you guys really jerk off to this? Do you like reading it is a sexual way? That would make a certain amount of sense - I suspect, though, that most of you are sharing the stories the same way frat boys would share stories of conquests. You are doing it to show each other, and maybe yourselves, your dominance over these women, these clubs. Like how in charge you are, how in control, how much you get for how little money when other guys have to pay so much more for so much less. How at your mercy these girls are - witness our new, beloved Derek: "If you want money, I want pussy." But in pig latin. Girls are doing the same thing. We are trying to assert that WE are in control, that we pick and choose you, not the other way around and that for all you guys can pay us (or some of us) to DO certain things, you can't buy our respect, and that we take your money and give you our contempt - we go home and shower and sneer (in memory) at the unpleasant men who can't get pussy for free (because as someone else pointed out, dancers aren't that selective when it comes to sexual partners. Guys mock the unfortunates - the unemployed musicians, drug dealers that dancers sleep with for free, but to her, they are still better than you). Anyway. I've spent rather too much time summarizing the various ways customers and dancers like to dehumanize each other on this site. Point is, that I'm pretty sure that dancers are just slapping hands on top of the pile to declare that WE are in charge, and you are not.
    Very insightful, and I would say true. This is about it. We have little respect for men who have to pay to see us dance naked (or fuck us, or talk to us, or whatever you pay for).

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    Well I guess, simply, you shouldn't have respect for them simply because of that. I can't change the way you think.

    But to me its no different than a paramedic saying he has no respect for your life since you have to pay to have him save it.

    Simply paying for anything is the cheesiest reason to classify a lack of respect. IMHO. No offense.

    However it does counter-value some of your quotes.

    "The true value of a human being can be found in the degree to which he has attained liberation from the self. --Albert Einstein"

    Liberation from myself was shitting on the prude rules of my life style and stepping into a club for the first time. I never felt so relieved.

    :/

    Curiously, if I could ask. If you hung out with some dude for a couple of days. Got to know him, Really liked him <not sexually, just 'hey this guy is cool'> and he came into your club and asked you to dance for him, Would you lose all respect for him? Or would that be a crack in the rules?

    "A good friend of mine dances, and I got dances from her to help her start. It would shatter me to think a friend of over 8 years would lose respect for me simply because I am her customer." - A friend of whom I relayed this post to. :/
    People are not ruled by their memories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    Okay. First - disliking your customers (even all your customers, even irrationally) doesn't mean you dislike men.
    Well let me try to explain my thoughts like this (and this not an attack on you so if you feel it is, grab a drink and say, okay, this is just X spewing his mind at no one in particular)...

    So, here is the deal.

    I separate how women behave from how strippers behave (which is pretty atrocious behavior from a certain point of view), but can still see the woman behind the stripper. This is the way people are, mixes of good traits and bad traits. Around strippers I put up a big set of protective measures, which isn't to say that I totally devalue them as women, but in the SC itself it's necessary to put up the protective measures in order not to get taken advantage of (and yes as you elude at it below, to take advantage of in some cases - thats the game we play).

    It's the dancers who only see the customer (and can't see the man too), or the customers who only see the stripper (and can't see the woman too) that are the simpletons, got to have everything and people too into nice neat all or nothing (well lets call it retarded) categories.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    I go off and on with this, honestly. Sometimes customer antics make me laugh and seem entirely natural - others, you seem like a pretty despicable lot. And really, although it is unlikely that you have NEVER met a handsome customer, you can go a while without seeing one, or without dancing for one (which is what makes him your customer, really).
    The irony (i see you love it) is that stripper behavior is also pretty despicable. Greedy, lying, self absorbed, playing on others weaknesses, etc., to make money (vs so many other jobs they could do). While the guys act like sex starved pigs to get some touch (vs so many other ways they might get it).

    Where we really separate the adults from the kiddies in this is in who can see their not-so-attractive side and accept it as it is, and even laugh about it vs those who can't get their heads around the fact that it takes two to make the customer/stripper relationship, and a great deal of blindness to believe that they are pure snowy white angels in this relationship.

    But then even bad behavior isn't the big scary monster we were told it was when we were kids. Bad behavior is part of who we are. I embrace my sex starved pig side - its part of who I am, and as strange as it may seem, the sex starved pig side of men can also be a good thing at times. Likewise I look at strippers and for all of the greed, lying, bs, those can be good traits too under the right circumstances.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    Actually, though, I think you ask a good question. Why do so many of us (or really all of us, at least on occasion) really feel the drive to really lay into you guys about how much we hate (sometimes) customers. Why tell you this? Like, do we really imagine that you care, want to hear it, or... you know, care? I'm reasonably sure that you are no more interested in our feeling about customers than you are in the dancers that you patronize. I mean, sometimes it is probably as simple as a bad night. But I see something sort of analogous happening with you guys.
    You came close to the mark or on it below. It's a power play, and we both do it (strippers and customers). But to me that player power (properly channeled) isn't all bad. You just have to find the point where it's constructive without taking yourself too seriously. It's the simpletons, the retarded child like minds that actually seriously believe they are pure, blaimless, flawless while the other is a really fatally flawed. This is the mind of a child, everything has to be simple all or nothing or they are just can't get it. And they can't accept the world or their place in it for what it is because to really understand themselves and the other sex, that both sexes have some not-so-great traits. Yes, customer behavior sucks. The irony is so does stripper behavior. But we are mutually taking advantage of the same situation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    Like, trip reports: why? I'm not criticizing, just wondering. Like do you guys really jerk off to this? Do you like reading it is a sexual way? That would make a certain amount of sense - I suspect, though, that most of you are sharing the stories the same way frat boys would share stories of conquests. You are doing it to show each other, and maybe yourselves, your dominance over these women, these clubs. Like how in charge you are, how in control, how much you get for how little money when other guys have to pay so much more for so much less. How at your mercy these girls are - witness our new, beloved Derek: "If you want money, I want pussy."
    It's the guys version of talking on the phone with your friends and filling them on the stories of the day, trying to understand the opposite sex better. Thats a simple way to put it but it would take more than a few lines to explain what goes on in a guys head.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    But in pig latin. Girls are doing the same thing. We are trying to assert that WE are in control, that we pick and choose you, not the other way around and that for all you guys can pay us (or some of us) to DO certain things, you can't buy our respect...
    Thank you! You got it. And it's not such a bad thing. Hell it's a good thing. It's a power play. It goes both ways. Children and people with child like minds just don't get it, but this is the way the world is. Men and women both cooperate and compete. Its why were here today having this convo, it's why our genes have survived through the eons. Men and woman don't need to be in complete agreement with each other all the time. It's bad for them. We need the struggle, the power play between us. The power play is just amplified in the stripper/customer relationship, but its true in all (not dead) male/female relationships.

    It's the people that can't laugh at themselves, and themselves too seriously in the stripper/customer relationship that should get out of it. It's not for them. They should go back to more normal social regulated male/female relationships and work out their male/female adjustment issues there. Find a nice guy/girl to figure out who they are with. The whole strip club thing is just too much for some dancers, some customers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erotictonic
    Very insightful, and I would say true. This is about it. We have little respect for men who have to pay to see us dance naked (or fuck us, or talk to us, or whatever you pay for).
    I know this guy who has little respect for women that dance naked for men to make money, yet he goes to the clubs. How strange is that? Not very strange at all. A lot men think strippers are loser. And how ironic that he still goes to the clubs even though he doesn't have to go to the clubs (you see where I am heading with this? Look one move ahead). But anyway, whats going through my head is that he is your typical simpleton, unable to separate the woman from what the woman does for a job. But I told him what I would tell you.

    I told him, cool, you have the right to your opinion, even though I don't agree with it So here's what you do. Don't go the fucking clubs. Problem solved!

    Same advice I'd give you. There million other jobs out there. Sounds like you can't separate the customer from the man. So choose another job. Problem solved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xdamage
    Well let me try to explain my thoughts like this (and this not an attack on you so if you feel it is, grab a drink and say, okay, this is just X spewing his mind at no one in particular)...

    So, here is the deal.

    I separate how women behave from how strippers behave (which is pretty atrocious behavior from a certain point of view), but can still see the woman behind the stripper. This is the way people are, mixes of good traits and bad traits. Around strippers I put up a big set of protective measures, which isn't to say that I totally devalue them as women, but in the SC itself it's necessary to put up the protective measures in order not to get taken advantage of (and yes as you elude at it below, to take advantage of in some cases - thats the game we play).

    It's the dancers who only see the customer (and can't see the man too), or the customers who only see the stripper (and can't see the woman too) that are the simpletons, got to have everything and people too into nice neat all or nothing (well lets call it retarded) categories.



    The irony (i see you love it) is that stripper behavior is also pretty despicable. Greedy, lying, self absorbed, playing on others weaknesses, etc., to make money (vs so many other jobs they could do). While the guys act like sex starved pigs to get some touch (vs so many other ways they might get it).

    Where we really separate the adults from the kiddies in this is in who can see their not-so-attractive side and accept it as it is, and even laugh about it vs those who can't get their heads around the fact that it takes two to make the customer/stripper relationship, and a great deal of blindness to believe that they are pure snowy white angels in this relationship.

    But then even bad behavior isn't the big scary monster we were told it was when we were kids. Bad behavior is part of who we are. I embrace my sex starved pig side - its part of who I am, and as strange as it may seem, the sex starved pig side of men can also be a good thing at times. Likewise I look at strippers and for all of the greed, lying, bs, those can be good traits too under the right circumstances.




    You came close to the mark or on it below. It's a power play, and we both do it (strippers and customers). But to me that player power (properly channeled) isn't all bad. You just have to find the point where it's constructive without taking yourself too seriously. It's the simpletons, the retarded child like minds that actually seriously believe they are pure, blaimless, flawless while the other is a really fatally flawed. This is the mind of a child, everything has to be simple all or nothing or they are just can't get it. And they can't accept the world or their place in it for what it is because to really understand themselves and the other sex, that both sexes have some not-so-great traits. Yes, customer behavior sucks. The irony is so does stripper behavior. But we are mutually taking advantage of the same situation.



    It's the guys version of talking on the phone with your friends and filling them on the stories of the day, trying to understand the opposite sex better. Thats a simple way to put it but it would take more than a few lines to explain what goes on in a guys head.



    Thank you! You got it. And it's not such a bad thing. Hell it's a good thing. It's a power play. It goes both ways. Children and people with child like minds just don't get it, but this is the way the world is. Men and women both cooperate and compete. Its why were here today having this convo, it's why our genes have survived through the eons. Men and woman don't need to be in complete agreement with each other all the time. It's bad for them. We need the struggle, the power play between us. The power play is just amplified in the stripper/customer relationship, but its true in all (not dead) male/female relationships.

    It's the people that can't laugh at themselves, and themselves too seriously in the stripper/customer relationship that should get out of it. It's not for them. They should go back to more normal social regulated male/female relationships and work out their male/female adjustment issues there. Find a nice guy/girl to figure out who they are with. The whole strip club thing is just too much for some dancers, some customers.
    Yea, yea, yea. The truth is: we don't have respect for people who have to pay for sex or female companionship. Yes, I have made friends with some customers, the ones who still happen to have people inside, and they are pretty nice guys in every other respect. But I still wouldn't date anyone who has to pay for female companionship. It means they have issues of some sort, and I don't want to deal with it. Now am I perfect? Shit no, I've got issues too. But that still doesn't make customers attractive to me.

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