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    [I work anywhere from 1 to 3 days a week, so I'm not overworked or burnt out. And I really do love my job! I love dressing up, I love being on stage, I love chatting with the guys.


    I agree with what most people have said on this post. You may not feel burnt out, but some vibe is being projected through you that you are over the "newness" of dancing. Perhaps you are talking to the guys way too long. You say that you enjoy talking with them. I used to be the same way too. I love to chit chat, but it would interfere with my money. If you talk to guys too long, why should they pay for your time? You need to talk to them just long enough 2-3 songs for them to want more. Be flirtatious and try not to talk about topics that are too "engaging." In addition, control the conversation. Don't give the guy too much freedom to ask you a lot of questions, therefore you remain "mysterious" and "interesting". Good luck with the hustle!!!

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    Here is my advice.
    First remember you are not selling dances you are selling you. That means your image and the idea of you for those guys to think about all night long. you need the bar to see you in a positive image and dances will come. I have seen it happen to the best of them. A girl starts on one side of the room and gets a no then moves to the next guy. If she gets another no she moves on. The further she goes the more all the guys in the room start to wonder why others are saying no. I have seen perfect 10s get turned down because of this spiral. If you see it starting to happen take a break after 3 guys and sit and talk to one guy or grab a drink from across the bar. Guys love to look at ladies walk across the room. Sitting by yourself suggest there is something wrong with you.
    Second you might need some help. I have been a dj for a long time and when I see girls having trouble I talk them up and make sure to let guys know you are available for dances. Find a friend you work with who you are comfortable flirting with. This always helps if you act playful in front of everyone. Bring in a ringer. Get a guy friend to come in a treat you like you are the only girl in the place. This slump buster is great for increasing your demand.

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    That's some really good advice junior. I think I'll give those ideas a try. Sounds like they really might help!

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    I agree that sometimes you have to be a bit more confrontational. Also, try to mention the VIP room asyou aregiving the first dance. Something like.... I don't know(smirking sexily),I have a feeling your'e gonna want to take me in the VIP after this. That way as your dancing the idea is already in his head. After you're done, breasts still out say " Now I was right wasn't I?

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    Hi. I'm new to this site, and am not a "regular" customer in clubs, but I do know what's attractive to me and my friends and maybe this can positively address some of your marketing and sales problems. Just my two cents - hopefully worthwhile. In a nutshell, me and my friends are non-regular strip club goers who really enjoy it, but only go a few times/year - we DO make significantly more money than you - when we go into strip clubs, it's because someone is getting married, someone's gone through a divorce, birthday, etc... - we've all got graduate degrees or higher from the top institutions - again, almost always have a great time when we get our infrequent taste of dance club candy, and we usually spend a ridiculous amount of money. As ONE of your potential target market segments (people like me), I'll tell you what attracts and repels us:

    Attracts:
    - Elegance, understatement, refinement in manners and clothing. Give us the fantasy that our conservative girlfriends/wives can let down the hair and get wild.
    - Aloofness. Don't come on too strong. We're used to, and expect a certain amount of standoffish behavior. Play like a cat. One example: I remember a friend of mine at a top London club the other night, who really noticed the aloofness of a dancer who just stood behind us as we were constantly beseiged by an endless stream of dancers wanting our time. She was far from the most stunning woman in the club, but her behavior was so differentiated from her competition that we noticed her, and he took the bait hook line and sinker - even asked for her contact info. She was heavy, of very average looks, fairly conservative outfit...but her comportment screamed of refinement.; i.e. one of our long-term girlfriends/wives in a strip club...very attractive. In fact, this approach might also work for an older dancer who'd like to prolong her career.

    Repels:
    - the opposite: aggressive approach from dancers who just won't take "no thank you" for an answer. Partially our fault: we find it very difficult to be rude to dancers. From our naive perspective, you're taking the first, brave step in making an approach to us, and to turn you down is almost like turning down someone for a date, who's been so brave. It's almost like the gentleman's code of "no wallflowers at parties"...we talk and will keep a conversation going, but if we aren't interested, we may not say it directly because it goes directly against the grain of our "code"...like rubbing hair the wrong way...yes, I can say no and cut off a conversation, but it's uncomfortable.

    Anyway, maybe this gives you insight into a customer segment that's relevant for you. I hope I've been able to help a bit. Best of luck...Cheers...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovespell
    This whole thing can take anywhere from 3-15 minutes, depending on the guy.
    Why such a difference? Specifically why take 15 minutes? Seems a bit long for my tastes.

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    I will then make eye contact, lean forward and say coyly "Can I tempt you with a dance?" They say, yes or no.
    Personally, I don't like the phrasing of the question. Saying "no" is too easy. I'd prefer a more direct action statement. Something like "I really want to dance for you. I've even been picturing it in my mind. Come with me and let me show you." Sure, he can still say no, but he has to overcome my momentum to do so. And even if he does say no, I might followup if I think he needs a bit more persuasion since my statement is still on the table unresolved. Or making an exit, I'll leave open the invitation for him to catch me later if he wants to see what I'm talking about.

    -Ev

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    the 2 best pieces of advice ive been given are,"when the custy walks through the door he has your money in his wallet.your job is to get it back." and the key to a good sales pitch is to ask 3 questions they can't say no to,then go for the sale.key question that i found works,"would you like to see what i have to offer?" confidence is the sexiest asset you can have.

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    Three song limit - if he doesn't get you at least a drink or a dance within the passing time of three songs, move on. I've seen some awesome advice here and what I have to say is about the same.

    Three songs gives you enough time to chat the guy up and make some good conversation and perhaps lay the ground work for a dance later if he's not getting one right now. People love to talk about themselves and if it's not interesting, try to make it so. Some guys come in just for convo and will give you cash just for sitting there ( Dream Customers ).

    If not get brutal, but do it in a way that looks like your joking - smile, giggle, ha ha, I made a funny. My best lines that have worked for me are -
    1: "What, you don't want me to rub myself all over you?" ( It is almost irresistible )

    2: " On come now, don't tell me you don't want to take advantage of the ( Insert dance special here - two for one, etc. ) It's such a deal!

    3: Hey there ( Insert guys name here ) can I borrow your dick for ( However long the length of a song is )

    The last one is sort of risky and I have had great results with it. Even if they tell you no, smile - once again, it lays ground work for later. I've had guys come back and ask for me just because I always tried to be so happy. It is hard believe me! It is do-able. Keep us informed on your results and progress.

    I hope this helps some. good luck!

    Miss R

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    Miss R I love that "what you don't want me to rub myself all over you?" line..haha it's cute.

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    I've had that line backfire on me! And it's next to impossible to recover from. I'll say something along the lines of wanting to take them to VIP to molest/rub all over/bite/etc them..and if they hesitate or say no, I say "you don't want me to molest/rub all over/bite/etc you?"..and sometimes they'll out right say no. Usually they cave in and come with me...but sometimes...they say no. There's NO smooth way to walk away from THAT! So I usually just give them the raised eyebrow look and smile and walk away...

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    You think youre nights bad.
    Try leaving the club with less than 50$ a night, and add on 30$ a night house fees. Thank god I have a husband who can support me when its this slow

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