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    Default Safety when stripping

    I told my boyfriend that I want to start stripping, and he is generally supportive, but a little worried about my safety. He found an article that talks about all the abuse women go through while stripping. If you want to read it go to: http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/stripc1.htm

    What do you girls think about stripping being dangerous. Have you had any bad, good experiences you want to share? Thanks so much! Jenna

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    Hmmm, I suppose that the job could be dangerous if you encounter a stalker, but aside from that I don't see many dangers. If you want to avoid the stalker issue, or worry about a customer from the club following you home or what not, just make sure that a bouncer follows you to your car and it would be wise to have your boyfriend drop you off at work and pick you up after your shift. Other things that may harm you is the risk of you twisting your ankle, falling off the stage, or falling off the pole.
    Some people are like slinkies, not really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs!!

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    OK, that was one dry article.
    I have had a few wacky things happen to me, I'm sure some SWers think I'm making stuff up, but nope, when you have a smart mouth, confrontations happen. Use your good judgement as to what you can get away with at work when a custie gets out of line.
    BUT I have also had WONDERFUL things happen to me also, like rich men wining and dining me, getting paid to have fun, and talking about whatever I wanted to with different kinds of people. You can have a lot of fun and learn plenty as a dancer.
    The main thing about a club is, if you don't like it, leave. Never put yourself into a situation where you can't back out of working at a club. The majority of SCs are dumps.
    Many of the customers are messed up in one way or the other. This is what we pay the bouncers for, to throw those customers out.
    Common sense and street smarts will take you far as a stripper.

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    that really was a dry article... i got to line three or something... lol.

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    I thought that article was a bit extreme. I'm glad I chose to start this at my age 27. I'm much wiser and assertive about my actions. I'm not naive and I know the job limits. I don't feel dominated, actually the other way around and mostly empowered.

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    I believe the article had a lack of Juice. Like you have all said, "a very dry article indeed". I was a bouncer at a Strip Club here in my Country, I turned Chip n Dale after a year of Being a Bouncer. But in my time as a Bouncer, I encountered every month a client that passed his limits. The mayority of times they had passed a couple of drinks.

    Many times I had to accompany many of the women dancer to their apartments. Just incase. In this business you can tell which customers are more interested in getting the whole package of their money´s worth.

    I do believe these clubs increase the sexual fantisies of the costumers, and don´t belive it is a way to put aside adultery. We all are unfaithful to our love one just by thinking of another person, in a sexual manner.

    But the truth is, at least half of the clients are not mature to understand or comprehend this business and are either inmature or sexually sick.

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    I always make sure i put gas in my car before going to work. that way when i get out of work late i don't have to worry about stopping at a gas station to put gas, and run the risk of getting attacked. or if someone IS following me from the club I wanna make sure i have enough gas to floor it and lose him.

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    Any job is what you make it. You're just as unsafe in a seemingly safe environment. More times than not, you're taking care of yourself. Be it at a grocery store, or in a strip-club. This article does speak some truth. However, I'm doubting if all of these things were taking place in one place you'd stay. I found this article to be extreme.

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    Things I do to try and keep myself safe at work( pretty much everywhere else too)

    1. stay sober
    2. Don't carry over $100 on the floor, always lock up your money and stuff.
    3. Walk away from confrontation in the club. Get a bouncer instead.
    4. Follow my gut instincts. If someone/anyone gives you the creeps, there is a reason.
    5. As mentioned- never be low on gas.
    6. Have a cell phone incase you need to call for help.

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    From the article:
    The entire analysis of stripclubs is located within the context of men’s domination over women.
    that certainly is the context in which she places her analysis, but it seems to me that she is ignoring the flip side of the coin, perhaps between dancers and sc management it is sc management that holds the power (although I don't know why she thinks all strip clubs are owned and managed by men, my regular club isn't), but I don't think the dynamic is that way between dancers and customers... sure the customers are giving money that the dancers need so in purely economic terms perhaps the customers have the power but in real terms I think the dancers are the ones calling the shots with the customers... in fact it is the confidence, and comfort with herself, her looks and her sex appeal that I find so attractive in a dancer...

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    Just always be aware....a bunch of us girls went out for breakfast after our shift the other day.....and two of our last customers followed us there. They left the club's parking lot before any of us had even went to our cars...so I guess they sat on the side of the road past the club and waited for a line of cars....creepy. We all freaked out when they walked in the damn IHOP and came right up to our booth....This is why I CONSTANTLY check my rear view mirrors when driving home, and have plenty of alternate routes I can take. Plus I know the 24 hour gas stations/restaurants I can pull into if I feel uneasy....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abagail
    Just always be aware....a bunch of us girls went out for breakfast after our shift the other day.....and two of our last customers followed us there. They left the club's parking lot before any of us had even went to our cars...so I guess they sat on the side of the road past the club and waited for a line of cars....creepy. We all freaked out when they walked in the damn IHOP and came right up to our booth....This is why I CONSTANTLY check my rear view mirrors when driving home, and have plenty of alternate routes I can take. Plus I know the 24 hour gas stations/restaurants I can pull into if I feel uneasy....
    That is seriously creepy! What exactly did these guys say to you when they approached your booth at IHOP, Abagail? "Hi ladies, we thought we'd wait outside of the SC and stalk you all on your way to breakfast." Talk about pathetic.

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    At my club, the bouncers check the parking lot and all the nearby lots for any cars with people in them. We can't leave until the coast is clear and then we all leave at the same time for safety's sake. No one has ever been followed.

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    Even though the author herself was a stripper, the article seems to take on the very one-sided view of SC's being a center for men to demean women. I personally don't agree. We are not regularly paying 40-50% of gross earnings in house fees! Not to mention most girls are not being pimped from a SC, but rather, an extras club (illegal brothel). Ask permission to go to the bathroom - what? Are we in prison? Self-promotion is usually up to the idividual stipper and the agency she hires. As far as I know, the clubs are not pressuring the girls and taking a cut of promotional profits like they're pimps. I hope that the author wrote this article to cause a stir in her psych class and not because she had personal affliction from her job. It is a little dated, too.

    In a strip club you need to be strong enough to prevent yourself from being in bad situations. There are clientele who do come to demean women, but they are the minority. Everything listed here is helpful. I would add to have a trusted friend or neighbor drive you home from work so you are never alone. If anything, never walk to your car by yourself. If you have had previous stalker issues, you might even register your car in your relative's name. A few girls at my club have the bouncer drive them home, some carpool, and I'll have my boyfriend get me.
    Last edited by Gerina; 07-21-2005 at 03:23 PM. Reason: I made the mistake of reading the article further
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    We've linked to that stupid article before on here. It's junk science at its worst. It's written by some misandric Andrea Dworkin clone who was an ex-dancer/prostitute in Minnesota who joined an anti-prostitution organization there about a decade ago. Then later filed suit against the head of that group for inappropriate sexual
    conduct.

    http://www.citypages.com/databank/18...rticle3621.asp
    http://www.friends-partners.org/part...1998/0187.html
    Kelly Holsopple, Plaintiff, vs. WHISPER, Inc., Evelina Giobbe, and Mary Madden, Defendants; complaint filed in Hennepin County District Court June 26, 1997. Plaintiff states and alleges as follows:

    [...] Defendant WHISPER [Women Hurt in Systems of Prostitution Engaged in Revolt] provides community education on prostitution as a form of systematic violence against women and children, and assists women in escaping systems of prostitution by providing social services to them.

    [...] Plaintiff Kelly Holsopple is a former prostitute and stripper. She first became a client of WHISPER when she attended a Radical Education and Support Group facilitated by Evelina Giobbe in the fall of 1992.

    [...] Plaintiff quit stripping on Sept. 21, 1994. Her motivation to quit included her admiration of Defendant Giobbe's work for prostitutes, her desire to do similar work, and Defendant Giobbe's promise to be a mentor and teacher to her.

    [...] Exploiting Plaintiff's admiration and affection, as well as her vulnerability and trust in WHISPER, Defendant Giobbe engaged in inappropriate sexual contact with Plaintiff while she was a client and former client of WHISPER, as well as an employee. Among other actions, Defendant Giobbe: Invited her to an intimate party at her apartment; told Plaintiff she loved her; told her she was bisexual; drank and danced with her at bars and clubs; asked her to stay overnight at her apartment; partially and fully disrobed in her presence; told Plaintiff she was sexually attracted to her; commented seductively on her physical beauty and energy; slept with Plaintiff; and physically touched and assaulted her including hugging, kissing, putting her head in Plaintiff's lap, circling Plaintiff's arms around her, and touching and biting her breasts...

    [...] In April of 1996, Defendant Giobbe sexually assaulted Plaintiff. She partially disrobed Plaintiff in her car, bit her breast, kissed and slapped her, asking, "Whose pussy is this?" Defendant Giobbe had previously told Plaintiff that her pimp had used that question and had demanded that she respond with his name. The only way that Plaintiff could get Giobbe to stop slapping her was by saying "It's Evelina's pussy."

    [...] In early 1996, WHISPER's Executive Committee and Board of Directors received complaints by two employees against Defendant Giobbe, stating that she engaged in inappropriate sexual contact with clients and employees and harassed and intimidated clients and staff members.

    [...] In mid-September 1996, staff members were informed that the Board of Directors had voted to dissolve WHISPER.


    And if you work in Ohio, she's helping to get the anti-adult business ordinance passed there, so that ought to tell you what her agenda is.


    http://www.theocracywatch.org/hum_sex_ohio_may_05.htm
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    Oh believe me. I 'thank' her everyday for making my job that much more harder.

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    This is an example of why there are so many things to learn outside of school. It was said that writers of books (including history books), papers, etc, cannot remove their personal biases in their writing. Kelly Holsopple is one of those writers.

    I was a former strip club junkie, and I use my experience to critique her writing.

    "stripping usually involves prostitution"

    The above statement implies that prostitution is present in strip clubs approximately 75% of the time. I have seen only one dancer allow herself to be licked in her genitals by her customers - one time. The term "prostitution" needs to be specifically defined. If she equates a handjob or a blowjob as prostitution, I will agree to the above statement IF it involves clubs where extras are overlooked. IF Kelly Holsopple disclosed in her paper that she performed handjobs, blowjobs, or anything greater, I overlooked it. I want to know if SHE performed these "extras".

    Among others, the following statements, in general, are untrue.

    "Despite claims from management that customers are prohibited from touching the women, this rule is consistently violated".
    "Private dances are situations where women are often forced into acts of prostitution in order to earn tips".
    "Men masturbate openly".
    "Lap dancing requires the woman to straddle the man’s lap and grind against him until he ejaculates in his pants."


    In the Frequency of Physical Abuse, 6% of dancers are punched at least once a day. Excuse me, if I don't believe that.

    In Frequency of Sexual Abuse, 11% of customers have exposed their penis to a dancer at least once a day. OK gentlemen, who here has exposed their penis to a dancer?

    Ms. Holsopple does provide some interesting information, though. I didn't know that club management fined dancers. Wait a minute, is that another one of those untruths (in general)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by two-timer
    In the Frequency of Physical Abuse, 6% of dancers are punched at least once a day. Excuse me, if I don't believe that.

    In Frequency of Sexual Abuse, 11% of customers have exposed their penis to a dancer at least once a day. OK gentlemen, who here has exposed their penis to a dancer?

    Ms. Holsopple does provide some interesting information, though. I didn't know that club management fined dancers. Wait a minute, is that another one of those untruths (in general)?
    Well, I read the whole article, (and found it a great cure for insomnia.) Seems like Kelly Holsopple had some preconceived ideas about stripping and went looking for information to confirm them, discarding any evidence to the contrary.

    "6% of dancers are punched at least once a day".

    Not in London they aren't. Most strip venues have fairly good security and any sign of trouble is liable to see the perpetrator ejected. Might be the occasional bit of trouble, but it's a strict one off, as the idiot promptly gets banned from the venue.

    "11% of customers have exposed their penis to a dancer at least once a day."

    This customer hasn't - I like my teeth just where they are. More seriously, in London the private dance areas are not 100% private - anyone exposing himself is likely to be seen and ejected.

    "I didn't know that club management fined dancers."

    I know from the dancers I'm friendly with that some venues fine you for being late, etc. Being persistantly late, having too many drinks etc., is likely to get you banned from working there.

    One of the quotes I absolutely loved from Kelly Holsopple's article was:

    "Not only do the women spend a significant amount of their time in stripclubs, the activities and influences from the club environment permeate their personal lives and detrimentally effect their well being."

    Now most dancers I know in London work maybe 6 x 6 hour shifts a week, (=36 hours), plus travel time. That's about the same amount of time I spend working, (I'm a metallurgist), and I haven't noticed "activities and influences" from my work affecting my personal life.

    I'd also have to say I know a number of dancers OTC, and strangely enough I find them very well balanced individuals who regard what they do as a rather unusual job, not to be taken 100% seriously - and not to be thought about too much when they're not working.

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    Quote Originally Posted by two-timer
    In Frequency of Sexual Abuse, 11% of customers have exposed their penis to a dancer at least once a day. OK gentlemen, who here has exposed their penis to a dancer?
    I have, though technically at the time I was a dancer and she was a customer.

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