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    Hey all! I have a story for you....It's laid out in detail so enjoy and give me your insite. Especially the dancers!


    "I know the game of course and have no grand illusion of want happens at the end of the night but this was unexpected. You have a gorgeous dancer that goes by "Madison". She said her real name was line Loaren or something. Very personable as well. So much so that she sat with me almost all night. Here's the thing though. To start, she gave me two dances right off and I agreed to them. Then I asked her if she would save my seat and beer since I was alone and the watiessess keep clearing them every time (efficent arn't they). She did and then stayed the rest of the night and chatted with me. She gave me one more full dance before the night was out and then chatted with me until closing. I asked her if the bouncer's where going to be upset that she's not dancing and she mentioned that they might be. Then at closing I paid her $40.00 which left me with $6.00 in my pocket. To me that was more then enough with dance's being $7 that's only comes to $21.00. BIG TIP! But the company was worth it. She then said to me that it wasn't enough and she needed $60.00 to pay the club or she'd get in trouble. I told her I didn't have it (should have left it at that) but that I would help her out and go to Circle K to get it. She said she'd meet me at my car to get it. On the way out I noticed her talking to another guy and pointing to me. He didn't look like YOUR bouncers that's for sure.

    I didn't think much of it until I got into Circle K and I noticed I was being followed by guess who. Yeah that guy! So, of course being Irish I gave him the eye. You know...the "YOU got a problem" eye then proceeded to get her a $20.00. Then he followed me outside and went to his car glancing at me as he went. I don't take MY eyes of people like that and don't take to well to being followed. He got in his car and drove over to where I was and parked. Never got out of the car.

    Her comes Madison to get her twenty. I gave her the twenty and asked if she was headed in to give it to the bouncer. Then I asked her who that guy was. "He's a friend of the dj" she says and that she's going to give him the money so that she can give it to the bouncers instead. I asked why she didn't just give it to the bouncers. She said that the bouncers would get pissed at ME and would want to rough me up. For what I thought! I WAS HELPING HER OUT. So she went over to the car with "the guy" and got in. I left and watched as they left right behind me.

    SO...I think that may have been the dj's friend and maybe not. I can bet though that money didn't get to the club. He's either her boyfriend or her PIMP. Judging by the way he followed me and how worried she was I'm betting on the PIMP part. I don't like being followed like that and It did make an impression on Ten's unfortunately. It's yours handle and I wish you luck with it but if you've got pimps in your club running YOUR girls you know it's trouble."

    I emailed this to the mistress of Ten's.

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    I don't think you're asking if you where Hustled, You almost got in a tussel for $20.00.

    I'd never visit that club again and put the review up on every board I could find. HOWEVER, the only thing that would concern me is how realistic she seemed. I guess in all honesty, drop it, and don't go back.

    Short list, she offered to sit with you, some tip for that, like myself, hell I've even paid 60.00, but I was never asked.

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    You can completely avoid this scenerio and many similar scenerios by getting it out of your head that you need to pay women to talk to you. Have some self respect man and someway somehow get it into your head that talk is free (yea I know a lot of guys here pay to talk, but I just don't see the point, go stop in a bar and talk there, the women may not be as hot but the talk is free).

    Beyond those reasons, when you're paying a dancer to just sit there and talk you're completely at risk for being taken advantage of or at the very least having a misunderstanding about how much she and you think she should be paid. Why go through that? It's ridiculous. Would you drop your car off to be fixed without getting a written estimate? Would you buy dinner at a restaurant without having seen the prices first? "Oh just charge me whatever you think is fair".

    Stick to tipping at the rail (there is an accepted protocol for tipping there), LDs which have a set price (and you keep track of the beginning and end of the songs and make sure you're checking your tally with the dancer, many of which will just keep going until you say stop if they think you have money), and VIP room (and get all the prices first because it's always more than what the dancer will tell you).

    If you must pay for talk, don't do it with a dancer you don't know. At least save it for your ATF or the dancers you have done business with before so that you have some understanding with about what she expects to just sit there and talk.

    If all you're out is $20, consider it a cheap lesson. Not all, but some, possibly many, dancers will take advantage of you so next time you go be less trusting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xdamage
    You can completely avoid this scenerio and many similar scenerios by getting it out of your head that you need to pay women to talk to you. Have some self respect man and someway somehow get it into your head that talk is free (yea I know a lot of guys here pay to talk, but I just don't see the point, go stop in a bar and talk there, the women may not be as hot but the talk is free).
    I know the chat is free, But I also know guy a couple feet down could be giving her money, and if she CHOOSES to stay, I like to tip her for it. I have never said 'Here is some money for conversation' I just tip her 30 on a 20 dollar dance. Or buying her drink, or tipping 10 instead of 5 on the pole/ The point is, hey if she's spending all evening with me, pay for that too. Maybe I have said 'Thank you for your time' and gave her a 20 before I left, but hey, its not EVERY time.

    Quote Originally Posted by xdamage
    Beyond those reasons, when you're paying a dancer to just sit there and talk you're completely at risk for being taken advantage of or at the very least having a misunderstanding about how much she and you think she should be paid. Why go through that? It's ridiculous. Would you drop your car off to be fixed without getting a written estimate? Would you buy dinner at a restaurant without having seen the prices first? "Oh just charge me whatever you think is fair".
    You bring up another excellent point. In my world <make believe> I work on trust. But to support your point, I >trust< 5 or 6 mechanics, I >trust< about 20 doctors with my life. I trust 1 dancer to tell me what I just spent upstairs, and it has NEVER bit me in the ass. And I'm money concious, it only needs to happen once.

    Quote Originally Posted by xdamage
    Stick to tipping at the rail (there is an accepted protocol for tipping there), LDs which have a set price (and you keep track of the beginning and end of the songs and make sure you're checking your tally with the dancer, many of which will just keep going until you say stop if they think you have money), and VIP room (and get all the prices first because it's always more than what the dancer will tell you).
    Perfect advice.

    Note. all this changes once you get to know the environment, you risk by taking liberties.

    Quote Originally Posted by xdamage
    If you must pay for talk, don't do it with a dancer you don't know. At least save it for your ATF or the dancers you have done business with before so that you have some understanding with about what she expects to just sit there and talk.
    +1 for me, thats normally who I'm paying to chat.

    Quote Originally Posted by xdamage
    If all you're out is $20, consider it a cheap lesson. Not all, but some, possibly many, dancers will take advantage of you so next time you go be less trusting.
    Leave your Plastic in the Car with the white knight.

    Get cash from your ATM with no charge and leave it there.

    Work on the 3 strike rule. If you overspend. use the DC. however if you start to put 'Getting to the SC' in front of 'Being money concious' you're in for a world of financial hurt. I think they can smell this. Some super power.

    I love Xdamage's posts. I bounce so well off of em, we should try and club hop some time duder.

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    You're a more trusting guy then I Mast, nothing wrong with that, but having been screwed enough times, so I tend to start with less trust and build up. Of course with people who I trust it's a different matter. But a dancer you've never done business with at a strip club?

    A lot of dancers will play on a several common male emotions, in particular playing on the "you're being a 'cheap' man thing", or put on the "you're rejecting me" face. So a lot of guys will spend a lot for small talk. It won't get you a date if you get sucked into this. At worst she'll tell some of the other dancers you're cheap if you don't pay her to just talk. So? Actually that's a good thing. Sharks tend to congregate where they smell fresh blood. Being hustled is exhausting so I'm just as happy if I am not being hustled.

    Be fair of course, if you're going to dominate her time then you should plan on paying for it, just know what it's going to cost you. Since I'm not interested in engaging in chit-chat I don't dominate a dancers time between dances, although I've had many not get the hint and they just sit there for a long while and then act like I should have been paying them for that time when I couldn't care less if they stay or move on and work on other customers. Hmm, I need a strategy for that. I haven't come up with much that isn't basically pretty rude. If they are going to sit there and I'm reasonably interested in LDs later I don't mind buying her a drink as a courtesy but I don't pay just to talk about small time chit-chat, or to listen to her problems (why then I should be paid whatever the going rate is for pschoanalysis )


    What works best me for is if I spot a dancer that interests me, I just skip the chit chat, and buy a couple of LDs. If it was good I'll tell her I'll come get her when I'm ready. If not, well then no big loss. Then later when I am interested again, just go find her and let her know when I'm ready for more. Unless she is busy giving another customer an LD I've never known a dancer not to immediately stop what she was doing and make me wait. No need to keep her time occupied in between dances, and no need for me to endure the grueling hustle.

    Tipping is appropriate of course, and I always tip at the tip rail, and tip for LDs, but just sitting there talking when it's not clear what you should be charged is just asking for trouble.

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    Damn, is it ROB season or something?

    From the HH forum upstairs:
    http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sho...602#post566740

    Quote Originally Posted by xdamage
    Beyond those reasons, when you're paying a dancer to just sit there and talk you're completely at risk for being taken advantage of or at the very least having a misunderstanding about how much she and you think she should be paid. Why go through that? It's ridiculous.
    I prefer to tip a gal for time that she gave me "off the clock" by buying multiple dances from her. Usually the longer she's sitting with me, the more dances that I'm buying.

    If her first dance isn't to my liking, I'd just as soon she move on. If we end up running off a long string of them, I'll gladly throw on an extra $10-30 upon completion of session.
    Former SCJ now in rehab.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish
    Damn, is it ROB season or something?

    From the HH forum upstairs:
    http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sho...602#post566740
    Hey, don't get me started on VIP and the ways clubs like to screw customers over with extra charges. It's very bad for business in the long run, but then there always new horney boys being born every second ready to fill in behind us. Customers really have to be assertive and find out what all the charges will be up front. But even so, the whole attitude that some clubs have towards customers and VIP prices has left a bad taste in mouth. I've pretty much given up on the VIP rooms. The dancer has to be a real gem (some really good chemistry has to be happening during the LDs) before I'll waste extra $$s on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishheat
    I asked her if the bouncer's where going to be upset that she's not dancing and she mentioned that they might be. Then at closing I paid her $40.00 which left me with $6.00 in my pocket. To me that was more then enough with dance's being $7 that's only comes to $21.00. BIG TIP!
    Damn skippy! I DO pay dancers for convo in some cases but your tip was more than generous for un-neggotiated time spent. Unless you had her handcuffed to the table she could have left at any time to go earn more money. Sounds like she thought she had her mark. Guess what. She did.


    Quote Originally Posted by irishheat
    I didn't think much of it until I got into Circle K and I noticed I was being followed by guess who. Yeah that guy! So, of course being Irish I gave him the eye. You know...the "YOU got a problem" eye then proceeded to get her a $20.00.
    Is that what you Irish guys do? I'm Italian. We kick guys like that in the balls and then slam their heads into the steering wheel a few times. I like being Italian.


    Quote Originally Posted by irishheat
    Her comes Madison to get her twenty. I gave her the twenty and asked if she was headed in to give it to the bouncer. Then I asked her who that guy was. "He's a friend of the dj" she says and that she's going to give him the money so that she can give it to the bouncers instead. I asked why she didn't just give it to the bouncers. She said that the bouncers would get pissed at ME and would want to rough me up. For what I thought! I WAS HELPING HER OUT. So she went over to the car with "the guy" and got in. I left and watched as they left right behind me.
    Dude, if you didn't know you where being scamed by then you are too dumb to be going to strip clubs alone. C'mon you are making us look bad!

    Quote Originally Posted by irishheat
    He's either her boyfriend or her PIMP. Judging by the way he followed me and how worried she was I'm betting on the PIMP part.
    Pimp or boyfriend it doesn't matter. She's the one that ran the scam and your the guy that's out $20.
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    You got off cheap man. Just assume next time that chat isn't free in the clubs. Either don't waste her time or find out what she is expecting to be paid for her time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us
    Damn skippy! I DO pay dancers for convo in some cases but your tip was more than generous for un-neggotiated time spent. Unless you had her handcuffed to the table she could have left at any time to go earn more money. Sounds like she thought she had her mark. Guess what. She did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us
    Is that what you Irish guys do? I'm Italian. We kick guys like that in the balls and then slam their heads into the steering wheel a few times. I like being Italian.
    I'm Italian too, and I probably would have bought him something from the Circle K like a girly mag then, stabbed him in the eye with a garden weasel. I cary one at all times.

    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us
    Dude, if you didn't know you where being scamed by then you are too dumb to be going to strip clubs alone. C'mon you are making us look bad!
    I concure, but go again. Sometimes you just gotta learn.

    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us
    Pimp or boyfriend it doesn't matter. She's the one that ran the scam and your the guy that's out $20.
    As Xdamage said, you got off cheap. He probably speant more in Gas following your ass.
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    So now that we've settled that. Where is this club that they charge $7 for a lap dance? where the girls hang out with a single customer all night for <$20, how's the mileage? and how many customers a year get robbed out in the parking lot after hours? (just trying to calculate the risk vs rewards )

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    I think u guys got it a bit wrong here. First off I idn't aske her to stay and chat. Second of all I even hinted to her politly that she might want to get up and go dance. Third of all if i ever ask a girl to sit and chat I'll go to a regular bar. I not that desperate that I can't get a girl to talk to me.

    Yoda your right. I got scammed...Thats time. I don't where my head was at the time but it won;t happen again thats for sure. She got the best of me and I fell for. But your also right in the fact that she could have left. As for kicking ass...right know I can't afford to be the one starting the fight so with that said maybe next time if the timing is right. I'll use the steering wheel or maybe even the car door!

    As far as making everyone look bad. No worries...I've never been this blind and it won't happen again. HELL...i've kicked girls off my lap for bad dances before. So next time I will ask whats up.

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    That happened at Ten's in Tucson. The reward is definitly worth a visit to the club. I didn't get robbed. I made the choice to help this girl out. I could have said no. It's not like this guy came to and said..you better or else. He just followed me.

    As for the club the milage was above average. The girls where average and the service rocked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishheat
    That happened at Ten's in Tucson. The reward is definitly worth a visit to the club. I didn't get robbed. I made the choice to help this girl out. I could have said no. It's not like this guy came to and said..you better or else. He just followed me.

    As for the club the milage was above average. The girls where average and the service rocked.
    As I said in a previous response to your query about Tucson clubs, I think Ten's is going downhill fast, regardless of the service level. Just be glad you weren't at TD's West, you might not have made it out of the parking lot (bad neighborhood).

    I hope you're not completely turned off by Tucson clubs now. I think you would have had a much better time at TD's East or Curves, but that's just me. Also, ALL of the local club talent will improve substantially when the UA gals show up for the fall semester.

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    I was at Tens about 5 years ago and thought it was an OK place. I remember the seven dollar dances (I tipped 3 bucks for each one). It was incidental contact only but the girls where friendly and quite beautiful.

    BTW, I was busting on you a bit with the whole balls-kicking-steering wheel slamming stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irishheat
    You have a gorgeous dancer that goes by "Madison". She said her real name was line Loaren or something. Very personable as well.
    no doubt. it takes a very personable individual to run a confidence game like when dancers start telling you their "real name" right off the bat.
    Quote Originally Posted by irishheat
    She then said to me that it wasn't enough and she needed $60.00 to pay the club or she'd get in trouble.
    if you said "no". you think she would have broken out the crocodile tears? i do.
    Quote Originally Posted by irishheat
    He's either her boyfriend or her PIMP. Judging by the way he followed me and how worried she was I'm betting on the PIMP part.
    just be glad her suitcase pimp/errand boy didn't coldcock you on your way out of the circle k.
    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish
    Damn, is it ROB season or something?
    From the HH forum upstairs:
    http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sh...2602#post566740
    just from reading the post. she doesn't sound like a ROB, at least, not in the traditional sense. however, i don't what exactly what was said between those two, but it very well may have been a case of overpromising and underdelivering or heightened expectations on his part. anyway, the guy never should have splooged his cash on a VIP upon first meeting the dancer and after one dance. strippers have to prove that they're worth the money. secondly, the guy never should have given her a tip beforehand. in fact, never give a dancer money in the form of a tip until services are properly rendered.
    Quote Originally Posted by xdamage
    and how many customers a year get robbed out in the parking lot after hours?
    i don't know how many, but a sc is a good place to set up and rob customers. you have slightly drunk or completely drunk men and some of them are carrying large amounts of cash and if you're wondering how these criminals know which marks to pick in some cases. well, look no further than the stripper.
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