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    Passing this one on...

    "This is a tribute to the nice guys. The nice guys that finish last, that never become more than friends, that endure hours of whining and bitching about what assholes guys are, while disproving the very point. This is dedicated to those guys who always provide a shoulder to lean on but restrain themselves to tentative hugs, those guys who hold open doors and give reassuring pats on the back and sit patiently outside the changing room at department stores. This is in honor of the guys that obligingly reiterate how cute/beautiful/smart/funny/sexy their female friends are at the appropriate moment, because they know most girls need that litany of support. This is in honor of the guys with open minds, with laid-back attitudes, with honest concern. This is in honor of the guys who respect a girl’s every facet, from her privacy to her theology to her clothing style.

    This is for the guys who escort their drunk, bewildered female friends back from parties and never take advantage once they’re at her door, for the guys who accompany girls to bars as buffers against the rest of the creepy male population, for the guys who know a girl is fishing for compliments but give them out anyway, for the guys who always play by the rules in a game where the rules favor cheaters, for the guys who are accredited as boyfriend material but somehow don’t end up being boyfriends, for all the nice guys who are overlooked, underestimated, and unappreciated, for all the nice guys who are manipulated, misled, and unjustly abandoned, this is for you.

    This is for that time she left 40 urgent messages on your cell phone, and when you called her back, she spent three hours painstakingly dissecting two sentences her boyfriend said to her over dinner. And even though you thought her boyfriend was a chump and a jerk, you assured her that it was all ok and she shouldn’t worry about it. This is for that time she interrupted the best killing spree you’d ever orchestrated in GTA:Vice City to rant about a rumor that romantically linked her and the guy she thinks is the most repulsive person in the world. And even though you thought it was immature and you had nothing against the guy, you paused the game for two hours and helped her concoct a counter-rumor to spread around the floor. This is also for that time she didn’t have a date, so after numerous vows that there was nothing “serious” between the two of you, she dragged you to a party where you knew nobody, the beer was awful, and she flirted shamelessly with you, justifying each fit of reckless teasing by announcing to everyone: “oh, but we’re just friends!” And even though you were invited purely as a symbolic warm body for her ego, you went anyways. Because you’re nice like that.

    The nice guys don’t often get credit where credit is due. And perhaps more disturbing, the nice guys don’t seem to get laid as often as they should. And I wish I could logically explain this trend, but I can’t. From what I have observed on campus and what I have learned from talking to friends at other schools and in the workplace, the only conclusion I can form is that many girls are just illogical, manipulative bitches. Many of them claim they just want to date a nice guy, but when presented with such a specimen, they say irrational, confusing things such as “oh, he’s too nice to date” or “he would be a good boyfriend but he’s not for me” or “he already puts up with so much from me, I couldn’t possibly ask him out!” or the most frustrating of all: “no, it would ruin our friendship.” Yet, they continue to lament the lack of datable men in the world, and they expect their too-nice-to-date male friends to sympathize and apologize for the men that are jerks. Sorry, guys, girls like that are beyond my ability to fathom. I can’t figure out why the connection breaks down between what they say (I want a nice guy!) and what they do (I’m going to sleep with this complete ass now!). But one thing I can do, is say that the nice-guy-finishes-last phenomenon doesn’t last forever. There are definitely many girls who grow out of that train of thought and realize they should be dating the nice guys, not taking them for granted. The tricky part is finding those girls, and even trickier, finding the ones that are single.

    So, until those girls are found, I propose a toast to all the nice guys. You know who you are, and I know you’re sick of hearing yourself described as ubiquitously nice. But the truth of the matter is, the world needs your patience in the department store, your holding open of doors, your party escorting services, your propensity to be a sucker for a pretty smile. For all the crazy, inane, absurd things you tolerate, for all the situations where you are the faceless, nameless hero, my accolades, my acknowledgement, and my gratitude go out to you. You do have credibility in this society, and your well deserved vindication is coming.

    Or so we can only hope."

    ~Author Unknown~

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    <blink> wow
    "The problem with the world is that everyone is a few drinks behind."
    -Humphrey Bogart

    "Sir, if you were my husband, I would poison your drink."
    -Lady Astor to Winston Churchill
    "Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it."
    -His reply

    "If God had intended us to drink beer, He would have given us stomachs."
    -David Daye

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    Thank you.

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    You're welcome

    I definitely had to pass it on, especially here. It seems that all too often, the good guys get grouped in with the assholes, just for being male.

    It's sad, really.

    But.. Yay for Good Guys!!!

    *muah*

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    This lovely piece of idyllic Hallmark propaganda is written by a quintessentially hot chick who goes to her nice guy on a regular basis to complain about how, "My boyfriend is a suck a prick. He came over last night smelling like some other girl's perfume--after not even having called me for five days--and he strung me up by my wrists from a suspension rack to the ceiling and fucked me nine ways to Sunday like a porn star. Then after he took lots of pictures and came on my face, he left without saying goodbye or even noticing my new haircut. I think he took cab fare and beer money from my purse, too. It's been three days since then and he still hasn't called me. He's such a complete and utter bastard. I can't wait to see him again..."

    Here's a tip for those clueless wonders still haplessly deluding themselves into believing that, "You do have credibility in this society, and your well deserved vindication is coming:" You have zero credibility and there is no forthcoming vindication; you know this in your heart of hearts, and yet you persist in your testicularly-challenged behavior because you don't want to accept it. It's a lie promulgated and propagated by popular culture and mythology, generated by embittered women that ostensibly want nice guys but yet they themselves continue to pursue men that represent the antithesis of their supposed ideal; despite the deceptions and false assurances, this does not change as women get older, because wisdom and experience doesn't override instinctual and emotional attraction and compulsion.

    Open your eyes, change your spineless, feeble ways and bask in the light of reality--what I call The Awakening--knowing that:

    --When she uses the F word with you and you have a strong sexual interest in her, she should be dead to you.
    --When she regales her sexual experiences with her bastard boyfriend to you, when she complains about her best friends' duplicity, when she buries you in that mind-numbingly banal drama that is the bulk of women's lives, she isn't seeing you as even being male--you're neutered. Congratulations.
    --When she says, "You're too nice for me to date," she's not being polite, she's being honest; she, like women everywhere, value aggression, confidence, risk-taking, emotional reservedness and sexual proficiency over sensitivity, communicative ability, honesty, and trust.

    You don't have to be a misogynistic asshole, but grow a spine and at least pretend you have a pair of balls. There is life after The Awakening, and I'm here to say that it's very, very good.

    Idealism is fine, but as it approaches reality, the costs become prohibitive.

    William F. Buckley, Jr.

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    Says the married woman with the kid.

    Hahaha.

    To you guys out there! Seriously, you've saved more lives than the assholes have hurt.

    I may be a guy, I don't know where I stand, but keep doing what you feel is right, and sooner or later you'll score big. Somehow.
    People are not ruled by their memories.

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    Rhi, I'm sure you intended well by posting this, but next to his grandmother telling him what a "handsome young man" he is, this kind of subterfuge is about the worst consolation prize you can give a nice guy.

    If women really want to thank the nice men in their lives, then e-mail them a copy of the following:

    http://www.pick-up-woman.com/nice-gu...ish-last.shtml
    Former SCJ now in rehab.

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    C/O - Good retort!

    Tell her to tell it to her girlfriends.

    Deogol - ex-nice guy now in training to be a bitter old guy.

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    Oh just shaddup all of you! LOL

    Why is it that you can't just take compliments if it applies to you? LOL

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    Former SCJ now in rehab.

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    Just brilliant...thank you dear woman!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiannon
    Oh just shaddup all of you! LOL

    Why is it that you can't just take compliments if it applies to you? LOL
    Ignore them, Rhi. I appreciated it. Although there is a word of truth to what he says....had I heard this as a single male I would have thought "Yeah, that's great....can I have a blow job, now?" Being unavailable....having indeed met a woman who appreciates the nice guy....allows me to enjoy it
    "The problem with the world is that everyone is a few drinks behind."
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    -Lady Astor to Winston Churchill
    "Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it."
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    "If God had intended us to drink beer, He would have given us stomachs."
    -David Daye

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    Entertaining thread... rather cliche-ridden but fun nevertheless... imho there are as many nice guys who finish first and assholes who finish last as vice versa... but no one respects a doormat - that is not what it means to be nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer
    and he strung me up by my wrists from a suspension rack to the ceiling and fucked me nine ways to Sunday like a porn star.
    like that's a bad thing?

    Doc hit it on the head. I don't think Ted Bundy attracted people because he was a creep. I think girls liked him because they thought he looked good and didn't know he was serial killer. Weren't people surprised when they found out what he did? I think they were surprised he turned out to be a serial killer, not that he managed to get girls.

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    Ya thank you good guys ! One day when I grow up I will be one lol ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer
    she, like women everywhere, value aggression, confidence, risk-taking, emotional reservedness and sexual proficiency over sensitivity, communicative ability, honesty, and trust.
    For sure, there are women who are drawn to such men. But it's grossly unfair to imply this is what ALL women desire.

    Besides, there's a bigger point: Pretending to be what you're not is exhausting and ultimately unsustainable. Embrace what you are, and find a mate who desires your true qualities, whatever they may be. If you're a tough, thoughtless prick, be that. If you're a sweet, poem-reading cuddler, be that. Be legitimate. SCs are for pretending; real life is about being real.

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    poor rhia. She tries to do something nice for the good guys and we destroy her

    I love ya girl!

    Thinking about Making out on the Dark Side still! Yowza!
    People are not ruled by their memories.

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    good guys? you mean they exisit (sp)?

    ~*wakes up...yawns ...looks around*~

    umhmm...i knew i was dreaming.

    why do some people still have to fight to get the same opportunities that are given to others?

    reclusiveness...is a good thing.

    the greatest revenge in the world...is success.


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    Hey, as a nominated "nice guy" (for better or worse), I wanted to say thanks to Rhia and CO. They're both right.

    Yay us!
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    There is a subtle but very important difference between being a “nice guy” (gentleman is the term I prefer) and Milquetoast.

    The former is a man with strength, character and charm. A gentleman is also usually a bit of a Renaissance man—although, not always since gentleman can be found in all walks of live and social levels. A man who fits the Milquetoast description is just a withering bowl of jello, lacking all the characteristics of a gentleman.

    The description in the piece Rhiannon posted was a bit too close Milquetoast; although, that was not what Rhiannon intended. So I do thank you Rhiannon for the thought.

    Frankly, “nice guy” is phrase that is overused and many men are mislabeled as “nice guys” when they are actually much more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer
    and he strung me up by my wrists from a suspension rack to the ceiling and fucked me nine ways to Sunday like a porn star.
    Is this for sale on e-bay?

    >>>Sad<<<

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    Idealism is fine, but as it approaches reality, the costs become prohibitive.

    William F. Buckley, Jr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chicagoeditor
    For sure, there are women who are drawn to such men. But it's grossly unfair to imply this is what ALL women desire.
    No, it actually is what all women desire.

    Confidence, sophistication, strength, sexual proficiency (better: sexual power). There is an evolutionary, biological imperative at work here. If you are a nice guy, you really don't want to know what the evolutionary biologists have discovered about the lineage of children conceived during ovulation.

    I would add honesty and integrity as important values where CO seems to discount them.

    Being a gentleman is distinctly different from being a "nice guy," of course. Gentlemen honor and protect women while still having a powerful, intense, occasionally overwhelming dark side. It's the boiling tension between the dark side and the protection that makes all of this interesting.

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    I like nice guys, but the term "nice guy" is a lumped nomenclature. Allow me to differentiate between nice guys and spineless guys:

    A nice guy has limits and a life. A spineless guy's life is you and would do anything for you, which gets annoying plenty fast. A nice guy apologizes sincerely and makes an effort to compromise. A spineless guy apologizes prophylactically for everything repeatedly and makes a martyr of himself. A nice guy has self confidence and dignity, a spineless guy is often codependent. A nice guy has hopes, dreams, and plans for the future in order to make somehting of himself. A spineless guy forms his future around you, even if he's too dumb to get into college, in which case he's gladly live in the gym just to be with you.

    What most women really want is a sensitive bastard. Think Johnny Depp: he's a hardass who plays Barbie dolls with his daughter. A nice guy is a genuine friend and companion, not some frustrated invertabrate with an entitlement complex. The sexiest part of a man's anatomy is his spine, which some men are sadly lacking. Girls want to feel like they've earned a guy's affections, not be stuck with some guy who's so desperate for estrogen affection that he'd take anything. Women get so disgusted with the spineless guy that they defect to assholes, and stay there b/c assholes at least bear resemblance to men.

    In short, we want men, not lumps of jelly. Spineless guys, there's hope for you: be a little bit selfish. Have days for you and your friends, and plans of your own. Grow a backbone. Lose the entitlement complex, and stop wallowing in self-pity. I found my sensitive bastard, and I'm never going back to either extreme.

    Nice guys: are you a genuine nice guy, or just a spineless guy?

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    Tell it, Krazyjane!

    Being a gentleman is distinctly different from being a "nice guy," of course. Gentlemen honor and protect women while still having a powerful, intense, occasionally overwhelming dark side. It's the boiling tension between the dark side and the protection that makes all of this interesting.
    So, so true, TOO. That is EXACTLY what intrugues and fascinates me.

    ANd for the record, my best friend in high school was exactaly the guy described in Rhia's original post. He was there through ALL of that, the asshole boyfriends (and first husband), the drunken exploits at the bars, everything. (And let's be fair; I was there for him, too. Friendships like that can go both ways, you know.)

    And 17 years later:


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