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    Some girls who are dancing just send out negative vibes to the customers that they really hate their job. I have worked with some like that lately.

    To me a girl who is going to do well as a dancer must not be uncomfortable with guys sexual comments or passes. She must be able to play them off and smile and laugh.

    One girl I work with is one of those "don't touch me here, don't touch me there" types who after one dance guys can't wait to get away from. Several of us dancers were at a table with some guys who were kind of raunchy with their talk, but they were tipping us 10's just to talk and she was just a wet noodle. One guy took a $20 bill up to her on stage and she acted like she didn't want it. If guys are spending money but are cocky, so what. We are there for the money, and have to "play the game", right?

    Girls who can't deal with the blatant sexual comments of the customers, who can't tolerate some touching, and who don't know how to gracefully move a guys hands, and have a playful personality in the club need to quit.

    This same girl complains and gets mad with those of us who have some regular customers, and tries to bad mouth us, yet she hardly works the tables, and turns off guys who might like her because she is afraid to open up.

    Prudes don't need to be dancing. Get rid of all the girls like that in the clubs and we may have a decent dancer to customer ratio.

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    I'm starting to hate my job, I've just been doing it for so long... but if I let my clients know I hated my job, I don't think I wouldn't have very many clients left...

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    maybe she strips for the love of dancing and thinks it's artistic...maybe she is a prude,either way who cares. she does what she feels comftorable doing and if the guys like what you do better then good, more money for you. is she new? maybe shes burned out. maybe some thing happened with a customer and she is afraid of them now. if your concerned ask her if not ignore her and get your $$.

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    a dancer can think her striptease is artistic and still not be a jerk to the customers. in a world where lots more girls are dancing in clubs, negative energy in the room doesn't help when most of the customers have to be carefully coaxed into spending at all. dancers who yell at the customers for not tipping enough onstage, who turn down tips rudely-- they create an atmosphere for the customers that other dancers are left to defuse in order to sell those customers.

    girls can say whatever they like in the dressing room, but when negativity trickles out onto the floor, it ruins everyone's money.

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    I 100% agree. At my former club, we didn't strip until we got minimum $5 on stage....some girls would point at customers from the stage, and stand there with their arms crossed, not moving...until the guys gave them $5. This always infuriated me. The guys didn't like it either...and usually left shortly after the tirade. The way I look at it, I'm going to give the same stage performance whether there's no money or $100 bills on my stage...because it's MY time to show myself off to the room...and just because a guy doesn't tip me on stage doesn't mean he won't get private dances from me. But if I'm up there and project this "bitch with an attitude" vibe, I probably just lost those dances he might have given me.

    I'm with you...leave your negativity at the door. When you walk in, you're at WORK...your job is to make the customers enjoy the experience, so they SPEND MONEY on you! If you aren't doing your job (making the club a FUN place to be), the custys aren't going to spend money, and you're going home broke AND pissy.....

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    I really wonder how many of these bad dancers could be weeded out from the get go if clubs would take the time to give new dancers (or even current ones) some sort of orientation on the dynamics that make men want to visit a strip club and spend money on a particular gal.

    Too many gals get into stripping usually due to some financial deperation, or on some ill-conceived notion that men giving them money to take their clothes off is somehow glamourous. All too often they think that they will be making easy money, based on what some not so reliable sources have told them.

    Just as I think the first time a gambler goes to a casino he/she ought to lose most/all their money, the first time that a gal dances, she ought to walk home with McDonalds-esque earnings. One has to be truly able to withstand and tolerate the uglier side of something in order to truly appreciate the benefits of the prettier side. True in most any profession. Esspecially true when the product being sold is the blood, sweat, and company of oneself, and where the work being done imposes a tremendous tax on body and mind alike.
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    My club does offer an orientation for the newbies and some of them still don't get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tina
    Some girls who are dancing just send out negative vibes to the customers that they really hate their job. I have worked with some like that lately.

    To me a girl who is going to do well as a dancer must not be uncomfortable with guys sexual comments or passes. She must be able to play them off and smile and laugh.

    One girl I work with is one of those "don't touch me here, don't touch me there" types who after one dance guys can't wait to get away from. Several of us dancers were at a table with some guys who were kind of raunchy with their talk, but they were tipping us 10's just to talk and she was just a wet noodle. One guy took a $20 bill up to her on stage and she acted like she didn't want it. If guys are spending money but are cocky, so what. We are there for the money, and have to "play the game", right?

    Girls who can't deal with the blatant sexual comments of the customers, who can't tolerate some touching, and who don't know how to gracefully move a guys hands, and have a playful personality in the club need to quit.

    This same girl complains and gets mad with those of us who have some regular customers, and tries to bad mouth us, yet she hardly works the tables, and turns off guys who might like her because she is afraid to open up.

    Prudes don't need to be dancing. Get rid of all the girls like that in the clubs and we may have a decent dancer to customer ratio.
    There will always be people who hate their jobs! Since this is a job that it's important to have a good personality I agree with you.

    However there will always be people who won't leave they job the hate.

    I wish all people would leave thier jobs if they are not happy with it. But that will never happen.

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    I think girls like that want the money and power to reject guys. They like feeling too good for the guys and even their co-workers. There's even DJ's and managers and bartenders who love to come to work and let you know how disgusting they find dancers and custys. It's pretty sick but some people live their lives trying to feel superior at other people's expense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mia M
    My club does offer an orientation for the newbies and some of them still don't get it.
    At least they offer an orientation

    There are too many clubs that do not offer it... there is no 'quality control' (as such) in re: dancers for clubs. They just do not care as the turnover is high. You're just another dancer to them.

    Besides, the greater majority of dancers learn on the job... only a small minority bother to do any research prior to entering the industry. Very small. This site is a testiment (in a way) to that... in the end, we all (the 'smart strippers') are in the very small minority.

    In the end, I totally agree. Just that these same dancers become addicted to the 'job'... or it is the only thing they feel they can do...


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    I worked with one girl who her first couple days of dancing she thought it was so "glamorous"... Then reality sets in... Reality for me is that even when I am having a "bad day" I still have to act like everything is great. I hate whiney dancers (outside the dressing room)... People don't realize that this job is not as easy as it seems. In order to make $$ you have to put up with (and sometimes feed into) a certain level of BS from customers.
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    Amen Tina, miabella, bella622!!! The girls who project such negativity not only hurt their own business, but OURS too. They put custies in a bad mood, make them feel less than enthused about spending. And then WE have to deal with that.

    Doc, I agree. More clubs used to do some training with new hires, and I don't just mean some bullshit "orientation". More clubs also used to be more picky about hiring - it wasn't like now so much, where literally anything with a pussy (and sometimes not, heh) can be a stripper. Talking females here of course. Most women are NOT cut out for this business and SHOULD NOT BE DOING IT.

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    everything I needed to know about becoming a successful entertainer came from my customer service and selling mini seminars I attended while working for Neiman Marcus. The DJ who hosts the orientations at my club actually gives the newbies some of the same techniques like asking "open" questions, mirroring the customer. etc. I was really impressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tina
    Prudes don't need to be dancing.
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    You guys don't know what these girls might be going through in their lives.... give them a break.

    Everything is about psychology...

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    One girl I work with is one of those "don't touch me here, don't touch me there" types who after one dance guys can't wait to get away from.
    Customer vent: I fucking hate this kind of dancer, the one that establishes a Geneva Convention of her Dance Rules before we even get started. Yes, I know some guys (maybe even most) are all hands, but at least wait until I approach the line of offense before telling me I'm in violation of Section 69 of the Dancer Code. I'm usually pretty good about determining a dancer's limitations with tact and consideration, but when you start off with, "Don't fucking touch me," I want to be on the other side of the room immediately.

    More clubs also used to be more picky about hiring - it wasn't like now so much, where literally anything with a pussy (and sometimes not, heh) can be a stripper. Talking females here of course. Most women are NOT cut out for this business and SHOULD NOT BE DOING IT.
    Amen. There is an appalling lack of quality control in clubs these days. It's really disturbing when I walk into a club and an overwhelming preponderance of the girls don't look like they should be there, nevermind their primadonna attitudes. You're working an SC, for Christ's sake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abagail
    I 100% agree. At my former club, we didn't strip until we got minimum $5 on stage..
    Okay, here's something related I never understood about some of the dancers around here....and believe me, this is not aimed at Abagail at all, just inspired by this quote.

    There's a club around here that's got no private dances of any kind--it's all stage shows, and then walking around getting dollars from guys after the set. And it's not even full nude, it's pasties/g-string.

    Okay, under those conditions, I always tip every girl at least couple bucks on stage and a couple bucks during the walk. If she's gonna strip down on stage, she deserves that. And if she's got sexy moves/good energy/good pole moves or something, I'll tip more than that.

    But sometimes if the club's dead, some of the girls won't take their outfit off (not even going fully topless) unless they get some amount of tips. They just stand up there looking bored. And I sit there with my money, waiting to tip them until they actually do a show....

    I mean, if they're not going to dance and not going to take their clothes off, what am I tipping for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tina
    Some girls who are dancing just send out negative vibes to the customers that they really hate their job. I have worked with some like that lately...To me a girl who is going to do well as a dancer must not be uncomfortable with guys sexual comments or passes. She must be able to play them off and smile and laugh...We are there for the money, and have to "play the game", right?
    Unfortunately, there's something about the atmosphere inside a strip venue that sometimes turns the politest guy outside the club into a raving misogynist inside. There's a big difference between saying to a dancer "you've got nice breasts" or "show us your gash, love". One remark is a compliment, the other is probably going to be percieved as offensive.

    Ditto, the wandering hands situation - a guy who stops trying after a polite "no" is one thing, someone who persistantly tries in spite of the dancer telling him to stop is another.

    Dancers are individuals, and although they adopt a persona while working, they cannot totally divorce themselves from the person they are outside the venue. A girl who is polite and a bit shy in real life is going to have more difficulty in dealing with some of the cruder comments or more persistant wandering hands.

    I've known one or two dancers who project a "hard as nails" image when working, and who don't take any crap from customers, tell me privately that the guy they just verbally slapped down actually hurt them with the remarks he made.

    I don't think many dancers hate the job per se, I just think they hate a particular sort of customer. At some point during the shift they know they are going to meet Mr Dickhead, and the knowledge makes them wary of any customer on first meeting them.

    Yeah, it's a job, and yeah, dancers should be able to deal with the dipshits they meet, but unfortunately I've found dancers to be like the rest of us - people with sensativities who have trouble keeping their composure when exposed to crude behaviour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil-W
    Unfortunately, there's something about the atmosphere inside a strip venue that sometimes turns the politest guy outside the club into a raving misogynist inside. There's a big difference between saying to a dancer "you've got nice breasts" or "show us your gash, love". One remark is a compliment, the other is probably going to be percieved as offensive.

    Ditto, the wandering hands situation - a guy who stops trying after a polite "no" is one thing, someone who persistantly tries in spite of the dancer telling him to stop is another.

    Dancers are individuals, and although they adopt a persona while working, they cannot totally divorce themselves from the person they are outside the venue. A girl who is polite and a bit shy in real life is going to have more difficulty in dealing with some of the cruder comments or more persistant wandering hands.

    I've known one or two dancers who project a "hard as nails" image when working, and who don't take any crap from customers, tell me privately that the guy they just verbally slapped down actually hurt them with the remarks he made.

    I don't think many dancers hate the job per se, I just think they hate a particular sort of customer. At some point during the shift they know they are going to meet Mr Dickhead, and the knowledge makes them wary of any customer on first meeting them.

    Yeah, it's a job, and yeah, dancers should be able to deal with the dipshits they meet, but unfortunately I've found dancers to be like the rest of us - people with sensativities who have trouble keeping their composure when exposed to crude behaviour.

    Phil.
    Yes. Different people respond to different behaviors in different ways. Depending on personality and brain chemistry, they may use protective mechanisms that cause them to lash out or shy away or be rude to others, or they may not be able to handle the less "prudish" behaviors because it is not good for them. Me, for instance, have found that I can not handle them. It is not because I think anything is wrong with it, but my being can not deal with it. I feel violated and used and objectified and worthless, and it causes me to break down. I can't exist there. I believe that we all must be tolerant of other personalities in the workplace, and if someone wants to draw different lines than you, and act differently from you, it's their choice.

    It could also have something to do with their home situation. Do they have a supportive SO that they can vent to and get feedback from? Or an asshole that beats them? In essence, it is garbage in, garbage out. If you have a lot of people being rude to you, alot of people must expunge that and sometimes it comes out in rude behaviors. People build mechanisms in order to survive based on what they are handed in life and sometimes it comes out in untolerable or rude behaviors.

    Some people weren't taught the mechanisms that others were in order to deal with situations such as rude behaviors. While some can shake it off and move on to the next guy, rude comments sometimes build into a mysandrist hatred in others. It also depends on whether you want to accept these behaviors as: I am a woman, and men are like this, or if you feel that no matter what, these rude behaviors are intolerable.

    It all just depends on the person. I wouldn't necessarily blame these girls for sending out negative energy. What they are taking in may far exceed what they are giving. Blame the men who are creating it.

    I suppose it is best for a girl to condition themselves to think all of it is acceptable. Then there will be no problems at all.
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    I think girls like that want the money and power to reject guys. They like feeling too good for the guys and even their co-workers. There's even DJ's and managers and bartenders who love to come to work and let you know how disgusting they find dancers and custys. It's pretty sick but some people live their lives trying to feel superior at other people's expense.
    To me, this has a lot of truth to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tina
    To me a girl who is going to do well as a dancer must not be uncomfortable with guys sexual comments or passes. She must be able to play them off and smile and laugh.
    Okay, while a dancer really can't become appalled when some rowdy drunk guys start being crude, she also doesn't have to deal with it. You know, just because I'm a dancer doesn't mean I have to sit and deal with some crass asshole because he's got money. PLEASE... to me, that is what is so great about this job - I can pick and choose who I want to be around. And crude, asshole customers ARE NOT the type I choose to deal with. For every POS that walks in the club and expects me to put up with his primitive, caveman behavior, there is a gentleman who wants to spend his evening with a sophisiticated, demure, LADY.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tina
    Girls who can't deal with the blatant sexual comments of the customers, who can't tolerate some touching, and who don't know how to gracefully move a guys hands, and have a playful personality in the club need to quit.
    Again, I disagree. While I will not be a bitch or rude to this type of customer, I also will not stick around him and put up with his BS. I can tolerate some touching, but it is up to my discretion. And if someone violates my rules on touching - again, they are not worth it to me. I am not compromising myself for this job.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tina
    Prudes don't need to be dancing. Get rid of all the girls like that in the clubs and we may have a decent dancer to customer ratio.
    I think "prude" is the wrong choice of word. A "prude" wouldn't be dancing naked for money in the first place. I agree that winey, bitchy, downers, who are always talking to everyone about their problems should find new jobs. But those of us who simply won't tolerate bullshit and won't play along with assholes when we find them offensive are not "prudes."

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    Lenny....as for my $5 on stage comment, at that club..it's fully nude. But club rules were that we got topless when we got $3 on stage, and fully nude when we got $5. It wasn't that we "expected" the tip..it was that we couldn't strip until we got the tip. So obviously, I didn't strip if I didn't get tipped...but I still danced and did my pole tricks.....many girls would just stand there, like you're describing though, until they got their tips.

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    I'm not talking about dealing with totally obnoxious guys Tampa Dancer. Of course any dancer would want to leave their presence. Especially when you get guys in a group, they will cut up and be somewhat sexually provocative around their friends.

    I'm talking about girls who just don't have the personality and tolerance to deal with the strip club atmosphere. As we were taught in the Dancer Wealth seminar, a playful fun attitude needs to be projected. We need to display a good mood. When a guy asks how we are, we say "awesome", "wonderful", "fantastic".

    Girls that complain around the customers, and who act like guys have coodies set the wrong tone.

    One girl who calls herself my friend is an aggressive hustler and hates anyone to outsell her. She does really well in some clubs because she has been booking at them for a long time, and tries to CONTROL some of her customers. She tells them don't buy a dance from anyone else. Mind you in this club we only have 5-6 girls a night. It's also my top money making club.

    When it's slow she complains to customers and pushes them to buy more dances. Several guys told me they are tired of her whining and bought dances from me, which pissed her off. Other guys she has as customers are weak and don't want to cause trouble so they will buy from me when she is not there.

    In this same club my wealthy regular usually will come to see me 2-3 nights of my booking. He hates this girl, but because she is "supposedly" my friend will tip her $20 on stage and speak.

    But since he buys 10 dances a night from me and she knows he has bought me some nice things is smart mouthing him. He wants a divorce and his wife wants to take a big chunk of his money, so needless to say talking about his wife is a sore subject. We were both back doing dances and his phone rang. This dancer says, "thats your wife" better get the phone. The other night as he was reaching in his pocket for money, she said to him "How much ya gonna spend tonight moneybags". He avoided coming in the club 2 nights and overnighted me what he would have spend in the club just to avoid her and the other girl I addressed in this thread. this club tracks our dances and the girl who keeps insulting my regular and I are the top sellers. The other girl sells very few dances. Without my regular, buying 30 dances or so, she feels she can beat me for the week. How petty.

    This is the kind of crap I am talking about.

    Guys go to a club to relax and kick it for awhile. Not to get embroiled in an argument between rival strippers, or to deal with dancers who are crabby or who take their frustrations with a man or men in general out on the customers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tina
    I'm not talking about dealing with totally obnoxious guys Tampa Dancer. Of course any dancer would want to leave their presence. Especially when you get guys in a group, they will cut up and be somewhat sexually provocative around their friends.

    I'm talking about girls who just don't have the personality and tolerance to deal with the strip club atmosphere. As we were taught in the Dancer Wealth seminar, a playful fun attitude needs to be projected. We need to display a good mood. When a guy asks how we are, we say "awesome", "wonderful", "fantastic".

    Girls that complain around the customers, and who act like guys have coodies set the wrong tone.

    One girl who calls herself my friend is an aggressive hustler and hates anyone to outsell her. She does really well in some clubs because she has been booking at them for a long time, and tries to CONTROL some of her customers. She tells them don't buy a dance from anyone else. Mind you in this club we only have 5-6 girls a night. It's also my top money making club.

    When it's slow she complains to customers and pushes them to buy more dances. Several guys told me they are tired of her whining and bought dances from me, which pissed her off. Other guys she has as customers are weak and don't want to cause trouble so they will buy from me when she is not there.

    In this same club my wealthy regular usually will come to see me 2-3 nights of my booking. He hates this girl, but because she is "supposedly" my friend will tip her $20 on stage and speak.

    But since he buys 10 dances a night from me and she knows he has bought me some nice things is smart mouthing him. He wants a divorce and his wife wants to take a big chunk of his money, so needless to say talking about his wife is a sore subject. We were both back doing dances and his phone rang. This dancer says, "thats your wife" better get the phone. The other night as he was reaching in his pocket for money, she said to him "How much ya gonna spend tonight moneybags". He avoided coming in the club 2 nights and overnighted me what he would have spend in the club just to avoid her and the other girl I addressed in this thread. this club tracks our dances and the girl who keeps insulting my regular and I are the top sellers. The other girl sells very few dances. Without my regular, buying 30 dances or so, she feels she can beat me for the week. How petty.

    This is the kind of crap I am talking about.

    Guys go to a club to relax and kick it for awhile. Not to get embroiled in an argument between rival strippers, or to deal with dancers who are crabby or who take their frustrations with a man or men in general out on the customers.
    Sounds like someone with a control problem who will fuck you over in order to win (as if it's a game).... are you sure she's your friend? Doesn't sound like it... It used to irritate me too the strippers who thought it was a game and whoever got the most dances wins.... it's not a competition, it's a job.

  26. #25
    madmaxine
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    Default Re: Some girls are not cut out for this business

    I've always been an assertive & sensitive dancer. I took enough abuse as a kid to not want to continue the pattern as an adult. I didn't get into stripping because I was a people person, I did it because I had the body for it.
    No customer will touch or talk to me in any way he would not allow his mother, sister or daughter to be touched or talked to. If he can't find it in his heart to respect me, I can respect my fist into his face. Or get the bouncer to do it LOL.
    Beware of telling customers any truths about your dealings with other dancers. They gossip too and get a laugh out of playing dancers off against eachother. Don't trust them.

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