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    Oy..


    To the chick who signed her statement(s), a proud whore - Look here honey, lets get one thing straight - obviously you have not been reading. These girls/women are fussing about guys coming into a STRIP club ( there's a reason they call it a strip tease ) and offering people money for sex.

    I understand your angry at the establishment or whatever and need to vent, but that was kinda off the top don't you think? Society has pushed most of us "strippers" and even former strippers into the cubbyhole of not being able to tell people what we do or did for a living. I mean come on, would you walk down the street and talk to perfect strangers about your job? Be realistic.

    This is the way it is - guys have issues with strippers and think because they perform somewhat naked they will have sex for cash. The line is there and the girls who do EXTRAS IN THE CLUB blur that line.

    Yeah, thats right, we should all revolt and yell injustice at the horrible way we are treated. * eye roll *
    From what I can see most of these posts were humorous and taking the offers for sex with a grain of salt. Something you should try!

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    Okay, I adore you for writing this, and I materially agree with your stance on sex work, but just so you realize your ideas about prostitution are not exactly accurate. Theories relating to the great matriarchies are wildly speculative, as are theories about prostitutes. But that's neither here nor there. You can email me if you are wildly interested in expounding on that topic.

    Original topic - I was offered $12,000 for 5 days (at which I scoffed - like I'd ever see that. It never fails to amaze me how many girls are just so willing to believe that guys are so willing to pay so far outside the going rate. We all have vanity I guess). I was also offered $50.00 to go to a guy's room and have sex with a friend (his rationale being that we were going to be doing it anyway - he was pretty sure that we were having sex. We weren't).
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    What if he had suggested the VIP room instead of the car???
    Uh, no. I'm not that kind of girl at the club.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine
    Last week I ran into a regular as he was leaving the club and I was going in. We made small talk, then he asked me if I wanted to make $100. I told him, "sure, let's go inside, I'll be ready in 10 minutes!"

    He shook his head and pointed to his truck, which we were standing by. Needless to say, I won't be dancing for him anytime soon.
    See what happens when you forget to also offer the box of Cracker Jacks (with prize)? Katrine would have been putty if he had that too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theotherfeminist
    As a former dancer and ex-prostitute, I’ve always found the biases of (some) strippers towards prostitutes (i.e. “cheap hookers”) a little baffling and hypocritical. I mean some of you girls are grinding tricks to climax for 40 bucks or less. Then there are those of you who have boyfriends and husbands at home that don’t even work. Talk about the Pimp/Hooker paradigm.
    I was wondering if my girlfriend at home counts? She can't work because she's chronically ill. Does that mean she's actually a symptom of the Pimp/Hooker paradigm? I mean, really, put down the broad brush, it's a lousy detailing tool.

    Quote Originally Posted by theotherfeminist
    There’s nothing inherently wrong with prostitution.
    You're singing to the choir. This thread is a time, place and manner discussion. Namely, some guys pick the wrong time and place for their ill manner of asking for services that are not offered there.

    Quote Originally Posted by theotherfeminist
    You don’t change the system (or stereotype) by stigmatizing one form of sex work while glorifying (and making money from) another. And that’s what some of you are doing--stigmatizing women for their choice to be a prostitute, just like people stigmatize you for working in strip clubs.
    All I read was stigmatization of men who assume that they can get actual intercourse at a place whose policy is to stop short of that, and/or who want to pay too little for it and think we'll jump at the chance, and/or want us to believe they'll pay some ungodly fee just because they say they will.

    Why is it wrong for a dancer to have a personal comfort zone that does not include sexual penetration? And to choose to work in a place where the business practice is to set grinding as the upper limit? And to think a man who doesn't understand the job description is a lunk head?

    Quote Originally Posted by theotherfeminist
    You work in the sex industry. Please spare me the “I don’t work in the sex industry because I don’t have sex” bullshit.
    Well, it would help to be more specific. Sex industry is about as specific as saying someone works in manufacturing. Perhaps this is what is confusing the men into thinking all services are available from all sex workers, although I doubt it. I work in the sex industry, but I don't do pornographic movies. I work in the sex industry but I don't give blow jobs. I work in the sex industry and I do grind dicks through clothing while lap dancing in a club where there's a policy against penetration. Er... let's make that caress dicks. There, that's much more specific. It says, "Please don't friggin' ask me to go to your car for $100 or else I will come here and vent about it." It does not say some other sex industry worker shouldn't do that.

    Unfortunately, I don't hold out much hope for success at changing the laws to allow those workers to have a safe place to do it given the current political climate, but we're in agreement the laws need to be changed. We may not be in agreement that we need different venues for different things.

    Quote Originally Posted by theotherfeminist
    You profit materially from another’s sexual gratification, whether it be restricted to fantasy or a more physical means like lap-dancing. It’s as much the sex industry as writing pornographic literature, working sex phone lines, massage parlors, pornographic movies, or peep-show booths.
    Amazingly, each of those is a different job involving different work descriptions. I would no more expect the author of pornographic literature to come to my home and have sexual intercourse with me just because she's defined as being in the "sex industry" than a man who approaches me in a strip club OUGHT to expect me to do it for him. Somehow, I comprehend the various job descriptions and the context. I know not to say, "Huh, huh, hey baby, you write good porn, how 'bout a three-way with me and my girl for 100 bucks?" It's not rocket science, so I don't understand why some guys can't discern the context of this. And I sure don't know why we shouldn't bitch about it.

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    The most I been offered is $1000 (I said " HELL NO I'm married!") . My (female) boss has been offered $10 000 on the table. She said NO!!!

    If men wanna pay, why dont they just vist a PRO????
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    You work in the sex industry. Please spare me the “I don’t work in the sex industry because I don’t have sex” bullshit. You profit materially from another’s sexual gratification, whether it be restricted to fantasy or a more physical means like lap-dancing. It’s as much the sex industry as writing pornographic literature, working sex phone lines, massage parlors, pornographic movies, or peep-show booths. Be proud of it. If you’re too embarrassed to admit you work in the sex industry, perhaps you should find an occupation you're comfortable with. All we need is another ex-stripper yelling “victim” and feeling guilty for what they did when they were “too young to know any better.”
    Your words have given me inspiration. Iv been dancing a few years and I have been in other areas of the sex industry besides dancing, for YEars. After reading your post, I realise that yes some of us DO provide a service. Just imagine if we were respected, instead of hated. Ive heard that crime rate and sex offernders are less in countries where sex service is legal.

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    i would do it. but not for 500 bucks.
    i would do it if all std's were as easily curable as pregnancy, if cops had better things to do than harrass me (like, for example, chasing down child molesters and old lady rapers), and i got a decent amount of money out of it, and if my boyfriend were comfortable with me having sex with other men.
    i have no moral issue with prostitution. i don't even really consider myself to not be a prostitute- i cheerfully fuck on camera and get paid for it. however, the people i'm fucking are my lovers irl, so i don't need to worry nearly so much about disease. i don't consider allowing a man to penetrate me to be so different from grinding against him- the issues at hand are just the risks, legal and health-wise, and my comfort level. it's sex, to me. i stopped believing that the only real sex is penis in vagina when i started fucking women, which, by the way, was quite some time ago. it's all sex- the question is just what's more likely to get me arrested, or give me herpes.
    as it is, though, i'd do it for 300,00 cash, up front, after i frisked him for a badge/wire, and made him get a complete STD workup with him signing over the results to me for veiwing. and, i get to keep my gun with me at all times.
    by the way, is it legal for me to just say "sure!" to the 500 dollars offer, then slip it in my boot and walk away like nothing happened, not giving him what he payed for?
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    To the girl who works in Ontario: Hey honey jump the next plane to Vancouver! Lap dances in Vancouver are $40 and you can set your own rate for contact. I highly recommend No. 5 Orange. It's the best damn strip club in Vancouver.

    Back on topic, I have a standing offer for $1000 from one of my current regulars. I'm not going to take it. I've been offered 1000 a few times before. I'm confused with my stance on prostitution. I knew some girls in Vancouver who danced and hooked, and I respected those girls and they were my friends. However, I just couldn't do it myself. One of them tried to recruit me and I'm not gonna lie I thought about it but I came to the conclusion that I wouldn't be able to face myself in the mirror ever again. I don't know why, I just know that I can't.
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    OK, but what if you were attracted to the guy?

    I had an old ATF tell me she was really getting into a customer once and he was probably going to get some, and then he tried to buy it and lost out completely...A common occurence or rare?

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    LOL.....

    It happend a couple of times. I just laughed and told the guys "I have a boyfriend!" and dropped it at that.

    For whatever reason, the guys didn't pursue it. Now I feel a bit unwanted.....

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    soooo many guys use the " I would love to wine and dine you just for one night" thing, ewe, the worst was an offer in exchange for, get this, a discount on my new wood floor in my home, and the highest was for 16,000. No no no no quit asking, no!

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    I just get so frustrated dealing with cheap men all day. They come into the club sit there for 3 hours, b*tch about "why won't I give them my phone number".... mind you they have not bought A drink nor A dance from anyone. Today, I was just sick of it. I asked the guy flat out, "Do you work for free?" He said "Hell No!" Then I said "Well, neither do I. Talking to you is my job, I won't do it for free" at which point I got up and did not give him a minute more of my time. He just kept trying to push for me to go home with him. Grrrrrrr

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    Wow...huffy, aren't we?

    Getting solicited sucks. It's true. It's a pain in the ass and most of the guys don't intend to cough up the money anyway, they just want to push our boundaries. They get some kind of sick gratification out of it...

    I have a very close friend who is an escort and I have never judged her. Another woman on this board who has admitted openly to escorting gets TONS of PM's from SW members asking how to get into the business. Don't give me the "disease" excuse, please. I don't assume that us dancers are promiscuous, but let's not fool ourselves here ladies! I'm sure quite a bit of us have met some guy at a bar or club or party or whatever and gone back to his place and given him a BJ with no condom. And how many of you put yourself AND your SO through a full battery of tests before you stopped using condoms and went on Depo or the Pill or whatever? Exactly...

    Many so-called "high volume" escorts tend to be fastidious about safety and hygiene, and so are many high-end escorts, who reduce their risk even further by seeing fewer clients.

    I know of several ex-dancers who are now high-end (as in 4-figure plus) escorts but didn't do it in the club.

    As for the NYC chick who has been all over the news lately, she didn't make $12K an hour. Where did you get THAT from? She got UP TO $2000 an hour, but bear in mind that it was her BF's agency (he essentially pimped her out) and admitted in a recent magazine article that he basically took the half the "agency" takes as it's cut. Most of it went up her nose anyway; she was a notorious cokehead.

    The type of men who seek out high-end escorts do not go to strip clubs. They want a nice "date" perhaps with a meal at a great restaurant in a good hotel, not sneaking some BJ in a corner with bad techno music playing, and definitely NOT in a truck.

    This is all gonna go in one ear (or eye, as the case may be) and out the other, but I have some time to kill right now.

    Well, now that I got that out of my system...I got a lot of offers for $400 and the like, and this was at PEC! To me even funnier because an hour in a CR costs even more than that!

    I have gotten several $1K offers. No dice.

    The most someone ever offered me once was $8000 to spend the night with him and yes, I did consider it, but the guy was really physically repulsive. Smelled sooooo bad and reminded me of Jabba the Hut. Not that he had to look like Brad Pitt, but it would have been easier if there was a happy medium. I later found out that another dancer said yes to his offer, but then he responded with something like, "well, instead of $8K how about a thousand for an hour?" Ha.

    I don't buy the "you can't buy me" BS. George Bernard Shaw had it right. How many of you out there would honestly say that if some average-looking guy out there offered you, say $10K to sleep with him, nothing kinky, just normal sex and you didn't think anyone would find out, that you wouldn't take it? $100K? A million? Everyone has their price. Not just for their body. That's only one way that people in this world prostitute themselves.

    We need to merge all the threads with strippers ragging on escorts already.

    You girls want to hear a little secret? Some escorts actually LOOK DOWN on strippers!!! Really! I know a lot of you out there say "at least I don't fuck guys for money"...have a Coke and a smile already. THEIR argument is that they don't rub themselves on all these men throughout a night and grind them for $10, $20, $40 or whatever. Since a lot of them pre-book, they have a pretty good idea for the most part of how much they will make. They look down on our tacky spandex outfits and the garish makeup that we usually wear to work. And especially for the independent escorts, they look down on the fact that we have all these goons lording over us and taking money out of our pockets left and right. House fees, managers, champagne hosts, nasty house moms, etc...

    I don't the "Proud Whore" meant a disabled person who CAN'T work as part of her argument. I Think it's safe to say that she directed it at the bajillion girls on here who post weekly whining about how their SO won't get a job because he figures she already makes enough and she should be supporting his ass because he "lets" her strip.

    One last thing (whew!)...NEWS FLASH! While hookers can't talk about their job as openly as a stripper, we often forget that in the eyes of 98.4% of the population a hooker and stripper is the SAME FUCKING THING! That's why so many of us run home to tell our parents and friends the second we get hired at the club, and put it on our resume right! Riiiiight...I know in this little insulated board and going to our jobs we sometimes forget that, but that's the reality of the situation.
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    it's not an excuse. i am worried about disease.
    you're right- i haven't always done the things i should have. i've had unprotected sex. i've slept with some questionable people. but i've decided to stop. i've gotten tested, and by the grace of the gods, i'm clean. i must just be lucky.
    i'm sure that hookers who care about their health, and bodies, are scrupulous about condom use and hygiene. but nothing is 100%, and i reduce my risk by sleeping with fewer people. this is not to say i'm not promiscuous- but at most, i have one new lover a month, whereas if i were a working girl, i'd hope to be having a few more clients than that!
    i don't look down on hookers. i often wish i weren't so paranoid, or that we lived a hundred years ago, and had the bliss of ignorance, and didn't know where most outbreaks of disease came from- if that were the case, i'd probably be a hooker myself.
    and yes, i do get tested, and make my partners get tested.
    and didn't i just say that i considered myself to be the same thing as hooker, just choosing to do my fucking around in a context that many people consider to be not the same as prostitution?
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    ^^^
    I think what Nina was saying was that the exchange of money does not facilitate the spread of disease. Which - indeed. It demonstrably does not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by venusofwillendorf
    and didn't i just say that i considered myself to be the same thing as hooker, just choosing to do my fucking around in a context that many people consider to be not the same as prostitution?
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    Technically, if you ever got monetary or other consideration of some kind from the guys you were doing, you could have been prosecuted as a prostitute. The other consideration is stuck in the law so you can't barter your body for drugs, but there is NO reason an aggressive DA can't (correctly) say that a fine dinner, fixing your plumbing, driving you somewhere, etc. are ALL other consideration given to you for sex. Only sex within a marriage is protected! (Gotta love those old blue laws...)


    I was going to start a poll in the Lounge: Did Anna Nicole marry: a) For Love or b) For Money or c) I don't know? But since the results would probably overwhelmingly say 'b' (though it SHOULD be 'c') I didn't post it...Anyway does getting married to try to inherit a fortune count as prostitution?

    (Hands up ANYONE here who could have married that guy, even if you were GUARANTEED to get the inheritance. ::shudder )

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    Setting aside my personal views--that irrespective of the means or manner of renumeration, men always pay for sex--and viewing this strictly through the prism of the industry...

    You work in the sex industry. Please spare me the “I don’t work in the sex industry because I don’t have sex” bullshit. You profit materially from another’s sexual gratification, whether it be restricted to fantasy or a more physical means like lap-dancing. It’s as much the sex industry as writing pornographic literature, working sex phone lines, massage parlors, pornographic movies, or peep-show booths. Be proud of it. If you’re too embarrassed to admit you work in the sex industry, perhaps you should find an occupation you're comfortable with. All we need is another ex-stripper yelling “victim” and feeling guilty for what they did when they were “too young to know any better.”
    Amen. Some of us don't have a problem with sex workers, even if the bulk of society is horribly conflicted and guilt-ridden about their (some might say necessary) presence. Seriously, is a dancer that grinds the stub on my fat, balding, toothlessly slobbering PL lap that much different than an escort that merely intends to finish me off as part of her regular routine? What kind of blade are dancers using when they split these hairs, anyway?

    The type of men who seek out high-end escorts do not go to strip clubs. They want a nice "date" perhaps with a meal at a great restaurant in a good hotel, not sneaking some BJ in a corner with bad techno music playing, and definitely NOT in a truck.
    Exactly. Why would I go to a strip club to proposition a dancer who is more likely than not to reject my offer, when I could just call any internet escort agency or any number of well-reviewed independent contractors for a guaranteed result at an average going rate of around $400 for an hour? Guys who are serious about buying their sex don't mess around and lead dancers on with ridiculous numbers that are soley meant to see how much has to be offered before a dancer says yes.

    Methinks strippers doth protest too much about escorts and prostitution...
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    Man I wasn't trying to be rude to hookers by saying men thought of me as a cheap hooker. I know there are highpaid hookers who do a good job out there working hard. My point was men thought I was a CHEAP hooker. Not a highclass hooker. Or they'd offer me more. I'm not trying to insult escorts in any way.

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    Having been in this line of work for a while, it can also be said that sometimes customers comlpain too much about us not being more like hookers.

    Sorry, I only do what I do for money, just like everyday working people. This may seem to be a tired, worn out mantra, but hey, it is true.

    Cry all about it if you want to. I ain't laying out my ass for just anybody's vege-matic.

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    The whole concept of paying for sex boggles my mind. I guess I am funny that I want a woman who I am having sex with to.. um.. like...actually want to have sex with me too (as opposed to my wallet). It can never be a physically pleasing but emotionally devoid act for me.

    But...it obviously works well in the schema of many people. It would be nice if those who it works well for do not assume that it is supposed to work well for everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prester_John
    The whole concept of paying for sex boggles my mind. I guess I am funny that I want a woman who I am having sex with to.. um.. like...actually want to have sex with me too (as opposed to my wallet). It can never be a physically pleasing but emotionally devoid act for me.

    But...it obviously works well in the schema of many people. It would be nice if those who it works well for do not assume that it is supposed to work well for everyone.

    I've never paid...but I think telling yourself no one ever screwed someone they thought was gorgious and exchanged cash for it is silly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mastridonicus
    I've never paid...but I think telling yourself no one ever screwed someone they thought was gorgious and exchanged cash for it is silly.

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    Hmm.. looking at my post, I dont recall every saying that. Are you seeing words there that I dont?

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    i agree that many probably prefer the "high end" part of the scale..... but having worked in the fetish realm of the sex industry, i think perhaps some find thrill in the idea of doing it in a blacklit corner of a musty, smoke filled strip bar, being oggled by security cameras and knowing (or at least thinking) that they're breaking all the rules. some people like what's dirty, what's naughty, what's a little more than the context baragained for. some people like the idea that they're beyond the boundaries, doing what they shouldn't, and that the musty, dirty, worn pleather couch of an extras dive is beneath their asses, with a stiptease girl who does more than tease, in a bad part of town, emphasizing how delightfully wrong it seems to them... and thus heightening their pleasure. like everything in the strip bar, it's a fantasy. of course, not all dancers work in dives, not all extras dancers work in bad parts of town, and still everyone seems to get propositioned.... but i think maybe some of the thrill for the custies is that they're not supposed to be propositioning at all... and if they do succeed, they can cheerfully convince themselves that they're doing something unsually naughty, or better yet, that they are so amazingly attractive that they allure a dancer into doing an even more intimate dance for them. it's about the fantasy.... just like all dancing.


    and i agree with the distinction between being a cheap hooker and being a hooker. i have no problem with being propositioned... but at least have the decency to offer the going rate!
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    seriously though.... if an undercover copper offers me 500 for sex, and i take it then walk away and not give him any, maybe saying "what money?" when he asks about his payment... can he arrest me for anything?
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