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    Need help from anyone that knows about bedroom occupancy laws

    Basically my ex is a butthead. My husband, my kids, and I just recently moved into a 2 bedroom mobile home. (Its the only thing we can afford right now). The back bedroom is huge. I can actually fit 2 cribs, bunk beds, three dressers, and a toybox in it. I have a daughter that is 5, a son that is 2, and another son that is 10mths. Well, my ex found out they're all sharing a bedroom. He got pissed at me about something and is threatening to take me to court because they are supposed to be in seperate bedrooms. Does anybody know the law? I've looked everywhere online and can't seem to find an answer. Please help!!!

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    Default Re: Need help from anyone that knows about bedroom occupancy laws

    uhm not really. Fire and Safety laws apply to the dwelling as a whole not any particular instance.

    Every bedroom needs to have a 24" wide window and a door or 2 exits. This allows for proper escape in a fire.

    And actually, Most people would praise you for keeping your children in one area, in an emergency you have a tighter escape plan.
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    Default Re: Need help from anyone that knows about bedroom occupancy laws

    Jonan:

    I responded to your other post about custody issues.. read that post and then see an attorney who will give you a free consult.

    PM me if you want to chat..
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    Default Re: Need help from anyone that knows about bedroom occupancy laws

    Quote Originally Posted by jonan
    Please help!!!
    There are laws.
    Its different in every state.
    I would not listen to any advice on this matter I could give you,because your kids are at stake.

    But ifn I was you,I would call the department of social services in your area and flat out ask them.

    If I were to tell you that the two boys need to be in one room,and the girl in another,with you in the converted living room on the couch,that will get you past any home study they would do with flying colors.

    Not to pry,but you said ex.

    Are you divorced with legal custodey???

    All we can do here is give suggestions and advice or add our own sob stories to yours.

    Call your caseworker,if you dont have one,get one,they are free and sometimes kids need protection from the shit storm that sometimes comes from "EX".

    Best of luck.

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    well actually if its a trailor, and you're renting the lot, you should have been provided with all laws requiring matter like this that is city/state related at time of purchase.

    I would like to see Melonie's input on this, she seems to have a good handle on all things legal and financial.
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    Each state has different Fire saftey laws.

    What you do is look in the phonebook and find the Fire Prevention Bureau.
    They will have the exact answers for you.
    If you want to be extra sure, ask them to send a Fire Inspector over.

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    I don't think it has to do with fire codes. In Illinois once they reach a certain age they have to be in separate rooms because of..........The Birds and The Bee's.
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    I believe he is attempting to confuse you with adoption rules, which are different than
    custody rules. You are the birth mother, and if you have a clean well ordered mobile home
    with a big bedroom, you are in better shape than alot of single mothers in very small
    dwellings in DT Chicago, New York or other large cities.

    Adoption rules require one bedroom for each child, and if you don't have that they gently suggest that you should not be adopting a child.

    Occupancy laws generally relate to health and safety for non related non family groups
    not three children in one large bedroom. In Illinois three children in a loving home with three square meals, and a clean safe place to live is fine.

    He may use your dancer job to get your kids (but you could defend that with a lawyer.)

    Bottom line: You are being fed a confused mixture from a non divorce custody issue that does not apply. Let us know what you find out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_daddy
    I don't think it has to do with fire codes. In Illinois once they reach a certain age they have to be in separate rooms because of..........The Birds and The Bee's.
    I agree. A mobile home has windows and should have 2 doors, one in the far back. That is all that is needed to get out.

    However, a young girl and 2 boys sharing a room may be a problem. I know they are young, but most states don't want children who can change their own clothes and such sharing a room. boys are fine in the room. I would put the daughter in the room with you, different bed of course as well. Ok, with hubby in there it may not be wise (according to law) to move the daughter in you're room. Most states (again) want children to have a bed room, so letting her sleep on the couch is not an option. What you can do is perhaps make a partition in there, and have her room blocked from you all for her privacy.

    Good luck,

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    Default Re: Need help from anyone that knows about bedroom occupancy laws

    Actually, there is a law in Illinois that states that each child (regardless of age) needs to have x amount of space in their sleeping quarters. I do believe that you cannot have your daughter and your son in the same room together, however, I am not sure about that.

    Go speak with a lawyer...there are a lot of lawyers who give free consult. Or, if you live in the Illinois area, call HUD or DCFS. They would know. If you live in Michigan (I thought I remember you metioning Michigan) call your local Department of Human Services or Housing Services.

    Know the laws, rules and regulations and do what you need to do to protect yourself.

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    Default Re: Need help from anyone that knows about bedroom occupancy laws

    Mobile home law is an absolute nightmare. Combine that with family law, and.....I don't even want to think about it.

    Here's the reason: Two of the most dicked around with areas of law are: 1. Real estate and 2. Vehicles. Now combine them. Nightmare.... NOW add family law.

    Of course you should seek a family law specialist, but remember this guiding principle: the state's and Court's position is to protect and act to do whatever is in the best interest of the children, not the parents. Specific code violations are not the key. You need local counsel familiar with these issues. This is ultimately a larger matter than some code violation. Government social service agency employees are not your advocates, yet possess enormous power to fuck with your life. I would tread very lightly on their turf. You may often find that they are concerned ONLY with regulations. Good luck.
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    Default Re: Need help from anyone that knows about bedroom occupancy laws

    Quote Originally Posted by big_daddy
    I don't think it has to do with fire codes. In Illinois once they reach a certain age they have to be in separate rooms because of..........The Birds and The Bee's.
    Yep, it's about age and the fact that they are different sexes... BUT, you should just ask social services, I don't tihnk your children are at "that" age just yet, but check itout if you're worried.
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    Default Re: Need help from anyone that knows about bedroom occupancy laws

    I agree it sounds to me like the EX is spouting a bunch of crap about bedroom occupancy, but if he really wants to cause you trouble, you being a stripper could more likely be a bigger issue. I also agree with those who suggest you call a local family lawyer to get the REAL scoop. It would be worth it to pay a reasonable consultation fee and get all the correct information.

    I like Pamela's idea of putting a partition in the big bedroom to separate your daughter from your sons. But I'd check and get all the legal facts before making any changes in the house - you don't want to do something only to find out later it's not up to code.

    I'm sorry this is happening, sometimes EXes can really bring down a huge shitstorm and ultimately it's the KIDS who pay the highest price. Perhaps it would help to talk to the guy and ask him if he really wants to disrupt the kids' lives over some vendetta he has with you?

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    Default Re: Need help from anyone that knows about bedroom occupancy laws

    I do want to add that the law does NOT state that each child must have their own room. You are allowed to have 2-3 children to one bedroom (I believe). The law of occupancy was put into effect to help prevent a person buying a home and having 5-6 different families living there. Or buying a 1 bedroom, and cramming a family of 8 into it.

    It's not so stringent that you won't be able to keep the kids there...but you do need to know ALL of the specifics. The more knowledge you have regarding family law and housing law...the less your ex will be able to intimidate you.

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    Default Re: Need help from anyone that knows about bedroom occupancy laws

    Having gone through a 3.5 year, multi-faceted, outrageously litigated divorce, also understanding that you may not have the money to hire a lawyer:

    I suggest you follow BigGreenMn's good first step advice - call your local Child Protective Services office anonymously and ask their opinion. Given what little I know of your situation, your ex-husband couldn't take the kids away from you unless an unbiased group of child psychologists and, or child protective services made a very strong case.

    Be wary of divorce lawyers. Keep your eyes open. Their job is to frighten you and have you pay them to ease your fears. A strippers job is to excite you and have you pay for a fantasy. Eyes open.

    My advice: Follow BigGreenMn's good advice. Cheers...

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