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    by X he means fill in the blank. And yeah he was refering to illegal activity

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    I was expounding on my views, just as you were and if you took my comment to be snotty as you obviously did well thats your problem. What I was getting at was the fact that you don't have to be doing ANYthing to get arrested. As some of the posts suggested. Forgive me, I forgot that at times one has to put things in simple terms for others.

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    I didn't take it as snotty, sorry if I didn't make that more clear. The suggestion that I need things in simple form was rude though. I am not stipid, thankyou very much. But I'll let that slide this time and try not to take the insult too personaly being that I can tell you are aggravated.

    What I was getting at was the risks are alot less ( not zero as you and others pointed out) if people know and follow the rules or laws OR go to places where they can earn decent $ w/o violating the law.

    I know it isn't always possible to travel or move either. But this biz has risks and we either adapt or have deal with it. That was my point.

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    i don't really want to get involved with all of this drama, but i'm sick of just sitting back and reading it. so here goes. not going to try and "upset" anyone.

    you had your own opinion(southern) and crow didn't agree with it. Why get all upset when she criticized you? Let it go. I happened to agree with her and Beret. You could be the cleanest dancer in the club but if it gets raided and the cops are having a bad day. You could get arrested just for being in the club.

    As for posting your own experiences...that's what we are all doing! 10 years doesn't mean anything. I've seen and experienced more things than alot of the girls i've danced with.

    that's all i have to say. Just let it go. We all have our own opinions, no need to get snotty or upset by it.
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    Does he have the aroma of doughnuts???
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    Bad joke. *gets arrested*
    Up here we never have the cops come by...unless there is a fight or something

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    I wish this topic had come up BEFORE I went on this (porn) shoot where I worked with a former cop turned male stripper. He probably would've been of good in sight.

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    The sad part is that I have been solicited for illegal sex by off-duty officers...and a bouncer I worked with was a former-cop-turned-busted-drug dealer. In this business you really get to see that the thin blue line really works for a small percentage of the public- the rest of us are sources of fine money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GnBeret
    Amen. You Go Girl - Tell It Like It Is! You don't have to be doing anything wrong to get arrested - in a club or elsewhere; All you have to do is be so unlucky as to wind up being in the wrong place at the wrong time or, instead, have the misfortune of finding yourself on the wrong end of somebody-with-horsepower's personal crusade.
    ABSOLUTELY TRUE

    COPS are often power-hungry punks, and many are just "this close" to being illegal themselves. ("Blue Wall" and familiarity with what they can get away with)
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pan Dah
    Checking the laws yourself and not trusting owners on that point is obviously a good idea. The problem in many cases is that the law is so vaguely written that it effectively becomes whatever a particular cop, DA or judge says it is in any given situation.
    Save money for a lawyer and spend some time finding one for these very common situations. Share experiences with other dancers in the locality. You need to work TOGETHER there. SW is not specific enough in most cases.

    And for this purpose why not develop a LOCAL 'erotic dancers' professional society, like local realtors or doctors of lawyers or engineers or restaurant owners? Especially if you are in a big enough town. Establish some rules and a place(s) to meet. KEEP YOUR BOSSES OUT OF IT. Develop an incentive to get girls to come in the first place and get going.

    Well, why not?
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    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    i think perhaps crow and southerncharm are in agreement with each other, but stating their positions so differently that it appears they are in opposition. the overall point it that the most effective (not completely effective, as we all know) way to avoid arrest is to avoid breaking the law, but, of course, in this profession, this is virtually impossible, or at the very least, a gaurunteed way to make very little money. is this correct? if so, i agree with you both, and furthermore, it is a very good set of points that some have raised that we need to find out the laws for ourselves, work together by forming professional associations, and always keep in mind that we can be arrested simply to further political agendas- regardless of any wrongdoing or lack thereof on our part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hannah83
    i don't really want to get involved with all of this drama, but i'm sick of just sitting back and reading it. so here goes. not going to try and "upset" anyone.

    you had your own opinion(southern) and crow didn't agree with it. Why get all upset when she criticized you? Let it go. I happened to agree with her and Beret. You could be the cleanest dancer in the club but if it gets raided and the cops are having a bad day. You could get arrested just for being in the club.

    As for posting your own experiences...that's what we are all doing! 10 years doesn't mean anything. I've seen and experienced more things than alot of the girls i've danced with.

    that's all i have to say. Just let it go. We all have our own opinions, no need to get snotty or upset by it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by venusofwillendorf
    i think perhaps crow and southerncharm are in agreement with each other, but stating their positions so differently that it appears they are in opposition.
    Hey.

    Stop that now!

    Shhhhh!

    Damn peace-makers and negotiators.

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    Fighting across the internet is like running for the special olympics.. even if you win, your still retarded.

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    LOL, good point.
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    Wow, lot's of cop hater's here!!!!

    What really makes anyone think they can tell a cop from anyone else? Are they not people as well, that have their faults and make mistakes just like every other person that we know. I have seen several people who I have know to be officers off-duty in SC's that you would never be able to tell what they did for a living. I have also seen a couple of real jerks you could spot miles away, but for the most part they are just like anyone else.
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    It's not that anyone "hates" cops here. In our business sh*t rolls downhill and we dancers end up taking the brunt of LE punishment that should be meted out to our rich bosses, the SC owners.
    If the citations from cops for SC "lawbreaking" required community service instead of a big chunk of change (fines) to go into municipal coffers, we wouldn't be so paranoid about cops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TxShooter
    Wow, lot's of cop hater's here!!!!

    What really makes anyone think they can tell a cop from anyone else? Are they not people as well, that have their faults and make mistakes just like every other person that we know. I have seen several people who I have know to be officers off-duty in SC's that you would never be able to tell what they did for a living. I have also seen a couple of real jerks you could spot miles away, but for the most part they are just like anyone else.
    I do not hate Police officers. I do hate how they think that just being in a position of authority gives them the right to do as they please.. have you been handcuffed, in metal cuffs in your street clothes in the dressing room , just because you worked at a club? Have you ever been hauled out of the bathroom, trying to pull your underwear up because there was a raid going on and you were just trying to urinate?

    Have you ever been stopped and told the officer where you worked and had your car searched just because you happen to be a stripper? Or the best one yet is.. Have you ever been pulled over for whatever and told to give up all your money or you were going to jail?

    So, unless you have been where we have been, done what we have done, or even experienced a tenth of what we have - you have no right to say anything about why we may or may not "hate" police officers.

    I have more horror stories, but since your so fond of the boys in blue - we wont go there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlabtot
    No, they are allowed to lie to you, be deceptive, employ trickery, etc.... they just can't induce you to commit a crime that you wouldn't have committed without their prompting.

    So, (X being an illegal act) if they ask "how much will it cost me to get you to do X?" it could be entrapment, but if you ask "do you want X?" and they ask "how much?" it is unlikely that it would be considered entrapment.
    A note on entrapment. Your first statement is largely correct. This is the view used by most state and federal courts, including the Supreme Court. However, some states use a different test which focuses not on whether you would have done it anyway ("predisposition" they call it), but on the "outrageousness" of the government conduct. If you or anyone else is concerned about this, you should ask a lawyer in your state.

    The first part of your second statement is probably wrong, however. "How much will it cost me to get you to do X?" is unlikely to create an entrapment issue. While the amount of money is one thing the courts look at to see if you are "predisposed" or not, they look at a few other things, like how quickly you took the inducement, a criminal record as to that crime, and others.

    Annother problem for dancers is the perception among many people that dancers are sex-crazed maniacs. It is probably easier to convince a judge or jury that you were "predisposed" to prostitution or whatever than it is if you were not a dancer and it involved a different type of crime. Many judges and jurors, sadly, would think "Well, she takes her clothes off for a living, so of course she was predisposed to illegal sexual activity."

    As always, if you have questions about this, talking to a lawyer is smart.

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    I'm a dancer not a prostitute. I don't do extras so Ive never really worried about undercover cops. I just do what Im suppose to do.
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    Considering all the other things cops could be doing to better society (finding kidnapped children, helping domestic violence victims, etc) it makes me sick that they come after us dancers.

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    I'm a dancer not a prostitute. I don't do extras so Ive never really worried about undercover cops. I just do what Im suppose to do.
    Not to be facetious, but WHO told you what you're supposed to be doing versus not doing ? The clubowner ? The other girls ? A local attorney I hope. The point I'm trying to make is that, in more areas than not, there are laws/ordinances on the books which dancers technically violate each and every night. Just because local LE has never pursued the issue before doesn't mean that they couldn't decide to do so tomorrow.

    Annother problem for dancers is the perception among many people that dancers are sex-crazed maniacs. It is probably easier to convince a judge or jury that you were "predisposed" to prostitution or whatever than it is if you were not a dancer and it involved a different type of crime. Many judges and jurors, sadly, would think "Well, she takes her clothes off for a living, so of course she was predisposed to illegal sexual activity."

    This 'credibility' problem is also something to be considered. Even if a dancer isn't actually doing anything illegal, what happens if an undercover cop busts her and says in his report that she was doing something illegal. Short of a club security cam videotape showing exactly what each and every girl was/wasn't doing, the situation boils down the (lying) word of a well respected local cop, versus the word of a 'stripper', as interpreted in the eyes of housewives, retirees, civil servants etc. in the jury box. Needless to say, bogus busts happen quite frequently and dancers usually have no means of 'proving their innocence'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonicaF
    Considering all the other things cops could be doing to better society (finding kidnapped children, helping domestic violence victims, etc) it makes me sick that they come after us dancers.
    No kidding! I always wonder whether they don't have something better to do. But in my club town, apparently not.

    I was just talking about getting arrested with my manager the other night (it has happened to her) and she gave me an excellent tip:

    Always make sure somebody you can reach at any time of the day or night has enough money to bail you out if you do get arrested.

    While it might not be true in other states, in Illinois you cannot bail yourself out. Somebody else has to come and do it for you. Also, you might get separated from your cash, debit card, etc. in the process of getting arrested. Or you might not have made any cash at the point you got taken in. Whatever the case might be, make sure somebody you trust and can always reach has sufficient cash to come to your rescue.

    ANd remember, when a club gets raided, the cleanest girl goes into the squad cars right next to the dirtiest one.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexy9804
    I'm a dancer not a prostitute. I don't do extras so Ive never really worried about undercover cops. I just do what Im suppose to do.
    Yeah same here, but if t someone else fucks up around here you still go to jail with a felony. I can't remember exactly what's it's called but it's a low class felony. And most of the time, you get out of it.

    And most of the girls who are getting ready (mid dress in DR) usually don't get into trouble.

    I have noticed around here, that the cops (vice) are allowed to drink beer, but nothing else.

    So if we (girls) suspect a custy of being a cop, we buy a round of shots and make him drink it.

    We have had undercover actually leave and stop the "sting/bust" in mid way due to they can't do that if they have had more than a certain amount of liquor.

    If you can get away with that in your club, try it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kitana
    ... I have noticed around here, that the cops (vice) are allowed to drink beer, but nothing else.

    So if we (girls) suspect a custy of being a cop, we buy a round of shots and make him drink it.

    We have had undercover actually leave and stop the "sting/bust" in mid way due to they can't do that if they have had more than a certain amount of liquor.

    If you can get away with that in your club, try it.
    While this may well work in places where LE is apparently operating on a "bust them same night as see them perform illegal act" model, it won't work at all in places where LE is operating on a "write down what I see as I spend night after night in the club and then return with arrest warrants in hand and bust them all at once weeks, or even months later" model - which is the much more commonly employed model in the major city vice squads.
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