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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette
    Isn't it funny how, as sleaze in clubs increases astronomically, dancer quality and morale decreases astronomically?
    Bridgette's quote prompted me to write this as I was thinking the same thing too. Thanks

    I started to read the Houston thread in Customer Conversation tonight (yes Im up too late) and wondered about all the other cities that have been effected by stricter laws or less laws.

    I figured most cities are making stricter laws if they havent already to make sure extras dont happen and morality high when all it does is cause it to increase and invite unwanted people of all kinds. Clubs are flooded with girls selling themselves short for an extra $10 or whatever the amount that will disapear by the next day. Club managers and owners that only look at the profit instead of the quality of girls creating a quality atmosphere. Everyone is greedy and dying to make an extra buck while some are trying to stay inside the laws to protect themselves at least.

    For example, here in SD there the whole 6ft rule full clothing dances thing. Still have to be 6ft away on stage. No sheer clothing, no showing your pink anything near a customer while not on stage, etc. At one club they made me collect my tips in a donation box thing. Im sure other cities have adopted new laws effecting the industry heavily.

    How has new laws effected your city both negatively or positively? Do you think new laws were for the better or worse? Do you think extras would have increased anyways without new laws?

    I havent been in SD long enough to know what it was like before. What I do know is that there is alot of girls at every club to the point that some days/nights its to the ceiling with girls and not many customers. Alot of time girls out number the number of customers. Many times more than Ive noticed before in other places where it wasnt the 'norm' girls were giving hj's and bj's and letting guys feel them up just for a little bit more green. Even without the new laws I think this city would have gone the same route only because as the city grew so large in the past 5 years there became a demand in housing and other neccessesities. As so the prices of everything steadily climbs and the cost of living wage remains the same so many people cant afford to live here in content.
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    The real reason behing the new laws (read Tampa Bay Busts thread) IMHO are the Christian Republican Right attempting to impose their "family values" agenda upon the rest of us... the more restrictive laws become the greater likelihood this will INCREASE prostitution and potential danger OTC (outside the clubs) as more dancers will be inclined not risking being cited for "lewd behavior" or whatever the violation might be inside the clubs. Where there is demand there is supply; prohibition didn't work, and it certainly makes you wonder what kind of fascist narrow-minded idiot politicians vote for these overly restrictive and often unconstitutional laws. I guess their perceptiions are that politically it is better to leave it up to the judges to decide instead of themselves, that way they can appear "pro-family" so to speak, but this has already gone too far in a lot of mainstream peoples eyes...Quite disturbing to me that we are fighting wars and losing many many lives in the guise of "FREEDOM", while a lot of the same individual civil liberties we are fighting for are being trampled on in our FREE? country.

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    My $0.02 on it is this: When I started dancing, there were rules. You couldn't be overweight. You had to keep your hands, feet and hair done. In fact, you HAD to have long hair. They didn't allow the dirty stuff. If you didn't have implants, they would buy them for you and you could pay the club back through dancing for them. Gowns were mandatory in some clubs, but your stuff had to be straight if it was a non-gown club. Shoes could not be lower than 3 inches.

    Accepting dancers that are not good looking and not in shape opens the door to people that have to do more than what the club is for. Also, there are some ladies that are not interested in dancing at all, but simply waiting for someone to proposition them for sex. It is up to management to decide if getting busted is worth the money that the ladies providing extras brings in.

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    Not enough customers for the amount of dancers on the floor creates desperation. Guys have always wanted more than a dance but when money is tight, someone is going to give in.

    Laws are not written to allow clubs and dancers to make money. They are really written to drive clubs out of business. Customers will not pay for the ridiculous no contact distance rules. The laws force extras and OTC activities.

    Having more dancers is a way for clubs to compensate for decreasing revenues. Turnover is so high the clubs are not interested in training dancers, just in collecting house fees and getting all they can out of the business while they can.

    As a whole, dancers and society in general is more casual and not dressed as well as in years past. If girls live in flip flops and no makeup and unattractive attire out of the club, why would they have the incentive to be high maintenance inside the club?

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    They should enact stricter hiring rules. Custys dont want to see some 5 or 6 girl they could see at dennys. They want 8-10's. Fantasy girls theyd never have a chance to be with in the real world.

    When class rises, so does the money. Guys will spend more. Look at the upscale clubs that are now charging 30-50 for a private dance. Look at the clubs where they have strict dress codes for the custys. Where everything is perfection, class and money. Thats where the money is at. It isnt in some truck stop quality dive like 90% of the clubs in america are like.
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    These days casual customers are not interseted in a good strip show. I spent considerable time and effort so that I could go to work at those high class places. And after all the maintenance and expenditure of being in accordancce with club rules, I really wasn't any better financially than I was before.
    To tell you what I feel, I make more money, just being a plain Jane dancer being topless with shorts and cowboy hat at those hodunks, then I do at those so called high end establishments where I had to be dressed to kill.

    I love to dance, I like the art of strip tease, but I see it going. It is a shame, but nothing anybody can do about it.

    Amd really nobody can be faulted. Most people these days don't want all the elaborate full course package. They say, I'm hungry, I wanna see something, I got the money, and I demand satisfaction. Hey, it's a fast food culture.

    Whenever you walk into a strip club and the girls are already naked, I mean what is the point. You go up to a guy, talke he buys a few dances that evening, drinks, and he is satisfied, and you are done.

    I got in and stayed in this buisiness because I like dancing.
    And as corollary job, my job is to entertain, to turn people on and make them forget for a while their mundane concerns, worries, and reponsibilties in the outside world. Hey, people come here as an escape from the normal routine.
    It is our buisiness, to sell fantasy, escape. And I still do it. Further, it makes no difference whether this is a high class place or some shanty next to a swamp.
    My job is to make people feel good and more importantly make my financial statements feel good. Ane when I have done that I have done what I came into this job for.

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    Custys dont want to see some 5 or 6 girl they could see at dennys. They want 8-10's. Fantasy girls theyd never have a chance to be with in the real world.
    This is not always true. A lot of guys want to see a more "girl next door" type because they feel like they MIGHT have a chance to actually be with her. A lot of guys know they'll never have a shot with a 10 but a 7 maybe, just maybe (even though in reality no way) he thinks he might have a shot at being with her so it makes the fantasy more real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amylynnej
    They should enact stricter hiring rules. Custys dont want to see some 5 or 6 girl they could see at dennys. They want 8-10's. ....
    When class rises, so does the money. Guys will spend more. .... Look at the upscale clubs that are now charging 30-50 for a private dance.
    I believe this is a completely UNREALISTIC demand for the "rest of us". All clubs will NOT be able to cater to elite, well-heeled clients. There are just not that many of those easy-money guys.

    Further, not all men want to be with women who are perfection and unattainable; some want women they can actually relate to, those who are not so stuck on their beauty that their customers are deemed by them pond scum. In my experience most of those women are not the top gorgeous people, though a couple have been great.

    Besides, some gals just want to have fun too.

    (Background. I am admittedly an avoider of "upscale, ripoff clubs." I also am an avoider of sleaze-bag ho-houses.)
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    [QUOTE=amylynnej]Custys dont want to see some 5 or 6 girl they could see at dennys. They want 8-10's. Fantasy girls theyd never have a chance to be with in the real world.
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    The problem is everyone has a different opinion of what thier fantasy girl is. I think as long as you're proportional, well-groomed and have a great attitude you'll do well in this business. I hate clubs that have cookie-cutter strippers. Some guys want J-Lo, others want Paris Hilton. Clubs should hire a variety of hotties.

    As far as how local laws have effected the biz, I dunno. I've only been doing this for two years and the rules haven't changed. I do think that the increase in extras would occur regardless of any laws simply because there are so many girls who are strippers instead of entertainers.
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    Problem is we need more entertainers and less strippers. When people ask what I do, I tell them entertainer. Its what I do. Whether its doing a private dance or its just bs'ing with a guy or working a bachelor party its entertainment.

    Like Ive said over and over again we need to class up the clubs. Classy and sexy not ho'ey and trashy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amylynnej

    Like Ive said over and over again we need to class up the clubs. Classy and sexy not ho'ey and trashy.
    Isnt there a happy medium between the two?

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    Quote Originally Posted by amylynnej
    Problem is we need more entertainers and less strippers. When people ask what I do, I tell them entertainer. Its what I do. Whether its doing a private dance or its just bs'ing with a guy or working a bachelor party its entertainment.

    Like Ive said over and over again we need to class up the clubs. Classy and sexy not ho'ey and trashy.
    I completly agree... even though I hate the word "classy". I think so much easier for girls to resort to unbecomming behavior then to try to sell a fantasy... This is going to sound absolutley cheesy but what we do is a lot like what you read in Memoirs of a Geisha. Men love the company of beautiful women. The fact that we get topless is just an added bonus...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBR
    Isnt there a happy medium between the two?

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    I think a good entertainer finds the medium. If I'm sitting with a customer who has a raunchy sense of humor, I'll tell my dirtiest jokes. If I'm spending time with the the guy who wants the GF experience, then I put on another hat.

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    Relayer: please, leave the personal stereotypes and bad assumptions regarding upscale clubs and dancers out of it. Just because it's great-looking and expensive doesn't mean it's a rip-off with a bad attitude

    I think, the main root of the problem is actually caused by clubowners. Too many clubowners to be exact. Every swingin dick with access to a few bucks thinks owning a strip club is a brilliant idea because he figures he can pimp it like big daddy. The corpofucks open chain after chain, trying to make stripping like McD's. They oversaturate the market, making it difficult for themselves to stay afloat, so the result is they bring in waaaaaaaay too many girls to generate income via house fees.

    The problem is exacerbated by media morons exploiting the "stripper" for ratings, creating legions of young girls who grow up thinking how they just CAN'T WAIT to be "cool" like that. Of course those girls' parents positively HATE this.

    A damn club on every friggin corner + way too much media hype + whole generations of wannabe strippers = conservative public disgust, leading to restrictive politics.

    Every time some new club opens in a small neighborhood, Ma Kettle runs down to her local church and riles up the other bitties who cause the preacher to pressure local politicians into taking measures to either shut the place down or restrict it to absurd standards. A new club opening in a larger neighborhood sparks an outcry of complaints about decreasing property values etc etc.

    Too many clubs, too many dancers = too much supply. Higher supply = lower profits. TOO MUCH supply means somebody's starving. Clubowners respond by hiring more and more and more girls and increasing house fees, creating an atmosphere of desperation which leads to girls doing more just to maintain income. Customers see this and take advantage.

    All of which leads to EVEN MORE public disgust of our business, leading to EVEN MORE restrictive policies, causing EVEN MORE desperation which directly causes EVEN MORE sleaze.

    Clubowners and managers look the other way, because frankly they don't give a damn how they pay their bills and buy their fancy houses.

    So. To all you greedy bastard clubowners, whether wannabe pimps or corpofuck greed machines, YOU are the root of YOUR OWN and OUR problems in this industry. YOU oversaturate and oversupply, leading to a whole string of problems which HURT US ALL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette
    Relayer: please, leave the personal stereotypes and bad assumptions regarding upscale clubs and dancers out of it. Just because it's great-looking and expensive doesn't mean it's a rip-off with a bad attitude
    Thanks, Bridgette. This mindset is one reason I've been struggling at work. The men have their eyes on me, but won't talk to me because they assume that I'll treat them like human garbage. Or worse, they anticipate bad treatment from me, so they treat me poorly, as some sort of preemptive strike. All of this, of course, at the same time that they're singing my praises. WTF? How does that all equate? It's funny, though, because I'll be doing last minute dances (like last night with a truly appreciative couple), with more than a fair share of custys looking on. Then when it's time for me to retreat to the dressing room (end of the night), they want a dance, because they saw someone else having FUN with me. WTF? Then I'm a bitch, because all night long, they chose to ignore me, insult me and just be assholes, in general. Oh, well, I'd rather make my money doing dances for the people who appreciate high maintenance (people who say it's a bad thing don't consider the results), rather than someone who just wants to see how fast I can help them get their rocks off, regardless of my looks or attitude.

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    Bridgette is right on the money. Even some clubs are started by well-intentioned ex-dancers and proceed to take on the standard downward spiral that most SCs do. (My first club was run by an ex-dancer whose husband started screwing the dancers, they divorced and he's currently alone, running the club into the ground. Good going, man.)
    There are also regional issues, aside from the 1-10 scale. There are "perfect" looking dancers who do extras in SF, NOLA and similar cities because the cities have a history of unchecked red-light district activity and everyone knows. Also, keep in mind the some beautiful women who have gotten by on their looks turn their noses up at a stripping job, when they could easily secure a sugar daddy or be a trophy wife. IMHO the "cute hot girl with the good attitude" keeps SCs running as much as the support staff and (last and least) the management.
    This biz needs a purge. I am tired of forking over stage fees to Pimp Wannabe club owners. Who are truly not investing back into their clubs like they should. The strong should survive. F*ck the rest of the punters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette
    Relayer: please, leave the personal stereotypes and bad assumptions regarding upscale clubs and dancers out of it. Just because it's great-looking and expensive doesn't mean it's a rip-off with a bad attitude
    Agreed. Lets leave the personal stereotypes and bad assumptions about the downscale places out of it as well. Just because its tacky looking and retro-fitted into whatever shack of a building was available and its less expensive (albeit still expensive) doesn't mean that its a whorehouse. You'll find nice dancers and stuck up dancers in both places.

    I think, the main root of the problem is actually caused by clubowners. Too many clubowners to be exact. Every swingin dick with access to a few bucks thinks owning a strip club is a brilliant idea because he figures he can pimp it like big daddy.
    Sadly this has been true about the adult entertainment industry from the get go. Strip clubs ironically enough are the by product of the very regulation that now looms over them. It all started back in the early 20th century when the authorities shut all the brothels down. All that pent up testosterone had to go somewheres.

    I really would love to get a old gal on here who danced back in the day (as in pre-1980, before the advent of 1-on-1 private dances) to give you gals a first hand account of what things were like back then. It would be really educational.

    Its been my opinion that things changed in this business from an aspect of "entertainment" to an aspect of "hostessing" when clubs went from being stage only to having private dances. Initally, these were air dances, which devolved into one-way contact dances, which devolved into one-way contact dances with grinding, which devolved into two-way contact dances with grinding.

    I'm not sure that club owner greed and restrictive ordinances helped exasperate this trend of catering to the lowest common denominator, or if simple market forces would have pushed us to the current state anyways. San Francisco and Houston have taken two completely different paths on regulating clubs and have strangely enough arrived at the same point. Go figure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by threlayer
    ... some want women they can actually relate to...In my experience most of those women are not the top gorgeous people, though a couple have been great.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette
    Relayer: please, leave the personal stereotypes and bad assumptions regarding upscale clubs and dancers out of it. Just because it's great-looking and expensive doesn't mean it's a rip-off with a bad attitude
    I was giving my take based only what I've seen in a few "upscale" clubs and dancers. Also it's not a rule, but it is a tendency in my experience. And I hope there is room on SW for a few more personal opinions.

    Otherwise I agree with everything you've said. It is becoming a commodity item because they think they can franchise what is mainly a local commodity (except in tourist places like Lost Wages). But this is not what I was expounding on befloe.
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    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    OMG doc. WTH did I say anything about cheap and ugly being trashy??? Don't put words in my mouth please. We're trying to have a discussion about what we think is causing the downfall of this industry, not compare the merits of cheap vs expensive or ugly vs beautiful. FFS!

    As for the change from stage-only to table to private dances. I could be mistaken with my SC history, but I'm thinking table/private dancing came around the time that clubs stopped paying the strippers and started charging them to work. Just another example of clubowner greed degrading the industry IMO.

    I don't think SF can be compared to Houston at ALL. MBOT was ALWAYS an adult theater and they simply evolved - Mitchell Brothers were porn makers first. MBOT is still licensed as an adult theater, not a SC - different can of worms there, and with such a famous and infamous example, what does anyone think will happen in nearby SCs? SF has always had a much more liberal sexual climate than most of the rest of the US - it seems kinda natural that prostitution would be rampant in SCs there.

    Houston, on the other hand, is a completely different thing. As we've read from TXShooter, and as some of us have alluded before, strip clubs there USED TO BE much much different and the rampant prostitution in SCs there was a direct effect of new ridiculously tight local regs.

    I can cite Phoenix as another example, and BritneyIreland can back me up. We've both commented how contact has greatly increased in our respective PHX clubs since a new dancer license law was enacted last year. As soon as all the legal responsibility was placed on the dancers' heads, contact went up because mgmt is suddenly waaaaaay less concerned about enforcing the rules. I personally have experienced being left almost completely on my own to deal with gropy obnoxious customers. Bouncers no longer watch or make guys back off unless they're blatantly going overboard. Local customers have been posting on other boards about the new raised contact levels and their resulting elevated expectations. All a direct result of new tighter legal regs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette
    OMG doc. WTH did I say anything about cheap and ugly being trashy??? Don't put words in my mouth please. We're trying to have a discussion about what we think is causing the downfall of this industry, not compare the merits of cheap vs expensive or ugly vs beautiful. FFS!

    You never said it. I was just paraphrasing your quote.

    Another person here has been more or less implying there is somehow an inverse relationship between how upscale a club is compared to the amount of sleaze going on inside, and has suggested that making clubs more upscale and shutting down the joints would fix this problem. I think that theory is a bunch of hooey.

    [quote]As for the change from stage-only to table to private dances. I could be mistaken with my SC history, but I'm thinking table/private dancing came around the time that clubs stopped paying the strippers and started charging them to work.{/quote]
    From what I have heard, (and I could be mistaken as well), the private dances were added when customers became bored with just being spectators. When the clubs saw how lucrative this was for the dancers, they quit paying wages, and started charging fees. Again, I wish we had an old gal who was there when it happened.

    SF has always had a much more liberal sexual climate than most of the rest of the US - it seems kinda natural that prostitution would be rampant in SCs there.

    Houston, on the other hand, is a completely different thing. As we've read from TXShooter, and as some of us have alluded before, strip clubs there USED TO BE much much different and the rampant prostitution in SCs there was a direct effect of new ridiculously tight local regs.
    That was precisely my point. Different approaches, yet yielding pretty much the same result.

    I personally have experienced being left almost completely on my own to deal with gropy obnoxious customers. Bouncers no longer watch or make guys back off unless they're blatantly going overboard. Local customers have been posting on other boards about the new raised contact levels and their resulting elevated expectations. All a direct result of new tighter legal regs.
    I'm completely in agreement that more regulation equals more mileage, I'm just not sure that less regulation would equal less mileage. Imagine if the regulations you work under were suddenly removed and you could legally give contact dances. With respect to places where customers have gotten used to a greater amount of contact, its going to take a long time to get the genie back in the bottle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish

    That was precisely my point. Different approaches, yet yielding pretty much the same result.
    NO NO NO. The heavy mileage in SF obviously would've happened regardless. The mileage in Houston probably WOULD NOT have gone to the levels it has without the stoopid over-regulation. Apples and oranges.

    I'm completely in agreement that more regulation equals more mileage, I'm just not sure that less regulation would equal less mileage. Imagine if the regulations you work under were suddenly removed and you could legally give contact dances. With respect to places where customers have gotten used to a greater amount of contact, its going to take a long time to get the genie back in the bottle.
    Judging by the history, there most definitely IS a direct relationship between stripper regulation and mileage. It's happening ONCE AGAIN in Phoenix right now. And while Phoenix most certainly hasn't degraded to Houston levels yet, it sure has started down the slope.

    We've seen it time and again - when clubs and girls aren't constantly worried about being raided and carted off to jail for doing a simple lapdance, they can make good money doing just that. As soon as the legal threat enters the picture, the lapdance customers become scarce and girls act in desperation to maintain income. Customers see and take advantage. A new customer base emerges with all new expectations - equating strippers with cheap hookers.

    But, I still think the ROOT of the problem is clubowners. You just can't create an oversupply of anything without alot of negative consequences. Being an adult industry, those negative consequences get nasty quick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunny
    This is not always true. A lot of guys want to see a more "girl next door" type because they feel like they MIGHT have a chance to actually be with her. A lot of guys know they'll never have a shot with a 10 but a 7 maybe, just maybe (even though in reality no way) he thinks he might have a shot at being with her so it makes the fantasy more real.
    I like seeing girls that I know I have "no chance" with outside of the SC. I can buy her time in the club...THATS the beauty of it all!

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    udging by the history, there most definitely IS a direct relationship between stripper regulation and mileage. It's happening ONCE AGAIN in Phoenix right now. And while Phoenix most certainly hasn't degraded to Houston levels yet, it sure has started down the slope.

    We've seen it time and again - when clubs and girls aren't constantly worried about being raided and carted off to jail for doing a simple lapdance, they can make good money doing just that. As soon as the legal threat enters the picture, the lapdance customers become scarce and girls act in desperation to maintain income. Customers see and take advantage. A new customer base emerges with all new expectations - equating strippers with cheap hookers.
    This has been true in every single city which has enacted anti-dance club ordinances, but which has not followed up with a nightly threat of undercover busts (i.e. the city puts on a highly publicized first round of busts right after the ordinance took effect, but then slacks off to doing one undercover sweep every few months). Clubowners come to know that they are 'safe' from these busts, but earn more money if they allow girls to 'bend' the law. Dancers come to know that they might as well 'break' the law as 'bend' it since the legal consequences of 'breaking' the law blatantly are not much different than merely 'bending' it but the earnings potential is much greater.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    Clubowners come to know that they are 'safe' from these busts, but earn more money if they allow girls to 'bend' the law. Dancers come to know that they might as well 'break' the law as 'bend' it since the legal consequences of 'breaking' the law blatantly are not much different than merely 'bending' it but the earnings potential is much greater.
    It seems to me the answer here is to focus the regulations and enforcement on the club owners, not the dancers. If the owner fears he's going to be shut down for those violations, he's going to go pro-active with the rule enforcement and clean out the violators himself. I've yet to understand why government entities don't pursue this strategy more vigorously. I know, under the table money is probably being passed, but if that were the only factor in play with regard to the regulation of other "sin" industries, like gambling and nightclubs, all the enforcement in those businesses also would be aimed primarily at the employees, not the business or owner. A bar owner can get closed down for a couple days for serving to just one minor, even if it's the bartender's stupid mistake, so I don't understand (call me extremely naive, I guess) how club owners skate off so freely by comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evan_essence
    It seems to me the answer here is to focus the regulations and enforcement on the club owners, not the dancers. If the owner fears he's going to be shut down for those violations, he's going to go pro-active with the rule enforcement and clean out the violators himself. I've yet to understand why government entities don't pursue this strategy more vigorously. I know, under the table money is probably being passed, ...
    I believe you have just answered your own question. The probable only other reason is that they are too busy/lazy not to respond unless they get a 'priority' complaint. You privoded good examples too.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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