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    How many of you guys regularly work with as many or more girls than customers? Is it really getting hard to make a living working like that every day/night?

    I stopped working in big city clubs for that very reason and in some clubs I work at in small towns we are actually "short" girls at times which because someone has to be on stage at all times cuts down on the dances we sell.

    Just curious if it is getting to the point where it is stressful going to work for you guys.

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    Yep I think it depends on how many stages you have though. If you have more than say 3 rotations, thats too many.

    I think alot of clubs need to cut down or perhaps start increasing what they look for in the audition. Perhaps hireonly after say an amateur night like tryout. The girls that seem to attract the custy's should be the ones they hire.

    Nothing is more upsetting when a girl is on a stage alone and she doesnt get the hint after 4-5 times of wasting her time and ours. Clubs really need to cut their staffs.
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    I had that problem at the club I worked at before the one I'm at now... They would let lots of girls come in to work when there were NOT enough customers to go around, and then bitch when the girls didnt make tip out. It sucked. It was bad managment if you ask me. Sure, more girls in a club looks good, but when you arent building a steady customer base fast enough? It would be one thing to hire a few new girls a week, or even a month if we had been slowly getting more customers in per week... or tell some girls who came in to try again later in the night or the next day... but we would sometimes have up to 25 girls and 10 customers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by amylynnej

    ...the audition. Perhaps hire only after say an amateur night like tryout. The girls that seem to attract the custy's should be the ones they hire.

    Nothing is more upsetting when a girl is on a stage alone and she doesnt get the hint after 4-5 times of wasting her time and ours. ...
    If they don't audition dancers, how do they choose them? Are they that desperate they'll take most anyone waling in the door?

    I agree that if a dancer doesnt attract guys, shes's gonna either change her style, quit, fuck the manager or turn to 'extras' in the club (of even that works). But it has not so much to do with her 1-10 scale as long as she isn't much below average or can give a hot stage dance or has good customer skills.

    As long as the manager isn't fucking her or using her as a drug connection or customers getting real 'extras', eventually it will work itself out. Seems to me.
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    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

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    It depends on the club, When I danced in El Paso it was pretty much whoever showed up. One club there (naked harem) had girls who lets just say weer actually fat or hideous, Were talking less than 5's.

    When I came to Dallas I had to actually audition in a way. The manager had to approve me before I could start and I had already been dancing for a few years.

    I really think we need to get a more rigid system of making sure the cutys get their moneys worth. And that isnt hiring every girl who walks in. There are other places to work. The local truckstop type of stripclub will basically hire anyone.
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    i've heard of some clubs that don't even make schedules for girls. the girls make their own schedules...that very night. they don't give a schedule for the week...they actually just come in whenever they please. that sounds insane, though. i mean, what if only 2 girls show up...or what if 40 show up? I don't understand how that method works.

    anyhow, my club at the moment has us on strict schedules. they actually get a little annoyed when we take off too much. they have turned down people working on certain nights if they weren't scheduled which I think is great. i mean...it's not great for the girl...but it's considerate on their part. many clubs just figure that they get more money if they have more girls working. basically by turning down a girl to work, my club turned down $100. on the flip side, i guess they also realize that it will eventually drive girls away if they are not making money...and most of the girls at the club i work at are very, very much worth keeping IMO.

    the only advice i can give you is to get as many regulars as you can. as you probably know, they can be a nightsaver!!

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    The last club I was at here was day shift not enough of anyone...I mean 5 customers in at one time at the most and 3-6 dancers at the most. ITA in anahiem was girls and customers wall to wall. There were 25-45girls night or day shift and alot more customers. They out numbered us most of the time.
    Most at the first club I mentioned (not only was it here) sucked really bad. I was walking with 7hrs of work and 150after tip out regularly.

    Tina, yea its stressful walking with low amounts night after night so I quit working here for a bit but now back working non-SC like settings. I just dont see a point busting my ass for an avg of $150 a night AND playing the tipping game with assholes who arent greatful or expect it. The clubs Im at now dont have tip-outs just slightly higher fees.
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    What needs to stop is clubs letting back girls they "fired." WTF. How many regular jobs would take back someone who got fired? Seriously.

    And if I got fired, I wouldn't come back. I have more pride than that. Word gets around. Pretty soon custies know that a trouble dancer is damaged goods and they start wearing away at her.

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    Where I work now, you are on your own. You move, you hustle, you make money. At least you are doing something. You don't show up for three days straight, you get fired (unless you got a medical excuse). You don't do nothing, you make no money for two weeks, you are out the door. (I don't see how anybody could not make anything for two weeks, but that is the rule).

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    Quote Originally Posted by amylynnej
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    Nothing is more upsetting when a girl is on a stage alone and she doesnt get the hint after 4-5 times of wasting her time and ours. Clubs really need to cut their staffs.
    I've been checking out quite a few clubs lately before I start working and I have noticed this a lot. (I live in Perth, Western Australia) At one club I was at, there were two HOT girls, and one Stunning girl, They were doing ALL the private dances getting all the tips and getting all the attention. There were about 8 other girls in the club who were probably 5/10 and didn't seem to make any money, and whats even more humilliating, is that when they got on stage after a hot girl, pretty much everyone left the front rows because your not allowed to sit there unless you tip. I felt sooooo embarrassed for them and if that happened to me, there would be NO WAY I would strip. It would just be soul destroying.

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    One club around my area has a lot of girls. They've got at least 40 dancers, each girls gets about a maximum of 3 minutes per song. And with that many girls the rotation is limited. One dancer said it's pretty depressing since it cuts the amount of money they can make. They have to do more floor work, but obviously that's not doing much either. It's in a city by the way....so maybe that's contributing to it?

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    yep the 5's 6's and even some 7's should quit, Theyre not doing themselves any favors by humiliating themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by madmaxine
    What needs to stop is clubs letting back girls they "fired." WTF. How many regular jobs would take back someone who got fired? Seriously.
    Halle-fucking-lujah! We have this crazy bitch that gets into a fight every single time she works. She was even fired from another club in town where she was a part very well-known violent felony incident. Last Friday, there she was AGAIN! WTF!

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    NYC clubs are often running 100 dancers a night. It is stressful, especially since certain nights there simply aren't enough customers and it's a struggle just to make our fees. I'm extremely lucky that I've never once, in 6 years fallen short but I've come close a few nights.

    Think about it...$300 in fees x 100 dancers? Screw the drinks, WE'RE where the club is making its rent from!
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    hope this doesnt piss everyone off.
    i am a "new girl" where i work. i always hear girls bitching about all the new girls (right in front of me i might add, how rude is that?)

    just a reminder....everyone was new at some point right?

    beauty is in the eye of the beerholder, and a 5 or 6 to you could be someone else's 10.

    and if u are a 10, how is some butt ugly new girl gonna hurt your money anyway(excluding if she is doing extras of course) but just because a girl is not as cute as u think she should be, don't just assume she is doing extras either.

    clubs shouldn't hire just anyone, but i don't think they should hire only "10's" either.

    also, remember that turnover is soooooo high in SC's! if they hire say, 5 one week, how many of those 5 last the whole month?

    this is not directed at you girls posting here, i do not know you personally. but to the girls at my club who make me feel like shit, maybe if you were not spending all your time in the dressing room bitching about how many girls there are, and more time out talking to customers, you would still make plenty of money.
    end rant.

    having said all that, i agree that it sucks when there are too many girls, lol!! but i have just always taken that in stride as part of the job, sometimes there are too many girls working. i tried a club that always had too many girls, it was too hard to make money so i went somewhere else. at this newest one, take last wed. night for example. we had at least 15 or more girls, and only like, 4-8 guys at a time in there all night long. obviously i didn't make what i would have liked but i ended up doing ok. all it takes is one guy. you have to take the good with the bad. if u are at a place that cosistently has more dancers than customers, go somewhere else!

    ps- agree that they shouldnt rehire ppl who were fired. at my last club they fired and re-hired a girl like 3 or 4 times. she was finally fired for good. a few months later i start this new club, and guess who i see??? wonder how long she will last here, and hopefully once they fire her they won't let her sorry ass back in....
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    One club I worked at would hire some girls that were in the 3-4 range but tell them they had to buy them selves off stage for the night ( extra $100 ) and they had to pay this fee everynight before the start of this shift..... Not to be mean but do you know what this did to have 50+ girls running around and about 10 of them were doing extras just to pay that high fee! One girl was even like 6 months preg-o!

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    I dont know about other parts of the country, but here in Tampa, FL...the summertime is extremely SLOW...at my club, they are super strict on your looks but do not schedule any girls...we can work when we want, for however long we want...lastnight i worked for 3 hours....usually i try to stay 7-8 hours though...we dont have to ask to leave, we just tip out the mgr and let her know...yes, we have a female manager and its great ...right now, there are alot more girls working alot more regularly...during winter season when its good for us, most girls work 3-4 nights a week...during the summer, most of us have to work 5-6 nights sometimes to make up for the slow times...we usually run anywhere from 20-40 girls during the week and about 80-90 on the weekends...our tip out is minimal compared to what ive read on here...so i guess im lucky on that end...

    i cant wait for football season!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chloekitten
    I felt sooooo embarrassed for them and if that happened to me, there would be NO WAY I would strip. It would just be soul destroying.
    I have been doing this for almost 5 years, and I get customers who leave my stages all the time. It means nothing--it's not how I usually make most of my money. I'm just as sexy and cute as the next girl, definitely more exotic; and I most certainly don't need anyone to feel embarrassed or sorry for me. No girl is every guy's type, and if she does not have a tough outter shell, she will be on the floor crying. I've seen it happen to the "best" girls.

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    I agree many clubs are simply hiring waaaaay too many girls - we're a form of income to them so they have NO incentive to limit the girls on shift and EVERY incentive to hire as many as possible. Some clubs will literally hire any girl who appears at the door. We've become almost customers - every business wants as many customers as they can get.

    I think melonie once posted something about how northeast clubs went through this problem before the rest of the country, finally screwed themselves over and wound up having to institute schedules and dancer caps in order to keep everyone profitable. I'm thinking something similar will happen in other areas eventually.......*we hope* anyway.

    On the one hand I do tend to think that the current free-for-all system many of us deal with does tend to weed out alot of girls who can't cut the mustard. On the other it encourages those with that leaning to up their "service level" in order to turn a profit. But then, there are girls in the BEST of places doing more than they should for the money, so who's to say who would or woudn't go the extra mile for money in any situation?

    I do think clubs need to take a step back and quit hiring so many damn girls. But as I posted in , there are simply too many CLUBS spreading the market too thin, and owners are going to get their revenue from somewhere, meaning US. The only end to this I can see is if/when clubs are financially forced to rethink their strategies. And NO, I am NOT making a call to start any friggin lawsuits against clubs - we can see how badly that worked out for the girls in CA

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    bridgette said-----And NO, I am NOT making a call to start any friggin lawsuits against clubs - we can see how badly that worked out for the girls in CA

    what happened out here in CA bridgette i don't know about this. i work out here now and i always wondered why it is so crappy out here. did someone sue a club?? tell, tell! what happened?? or send a link, something!
    Oh, I musta took a wrong turn at Albuquerque.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette
    I agree many clubs are simply hiring waaaaay too many girls - we're a form of income to them so they have NO incentive to limit the girls on shift and EVERY incentive to hire as many as possible. Some clubs will literally hire any girl who appears at the door. We've become almost customers - every business wants as many customers as they can get.
    Really, I gave the U.S. clubs I worked in way more money than the average customer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette
    The only end to this I can see is if/when clubs are financially forced to rethink their strategies. And NO, I am NOT making a call to start any friggin lawsuits against clubs - we can see how badly that worked out for the girls in CA
    I think unionizing is stupid and pointless in this business. The reason I think it is stupid and pointless is because a) it is not an industry that anyone will invest herself in long term. Everyone wants what she can get NOW, and really, I don't think we are really looking to criticize that, b) there is nothing to agitate for EXCEPT that clubowners obey already existing laws. Lawsuits just seem to be a never ending black hole in which you get with one hand, while they take more back with the other, and the best case scenario seems to come to unpleasantly restrictive work environments. But the reason is because so many girls do put up with it. I have known girls in the states (not so much here, because no matter how hideous you are you can find some club to pay you a nominal scheduling fee - and I say that advsiedly. Not that I'm hideous. But I've seen some mighty hideous dancers. When I was at Seductions my roommate came in to pick me up and literally started when she saw one of the dancers. Like "So, are you nearly... Ahhh!" Point is (because I digress) that even ugly, old, drug addled women here can make at least $60.00 a day. Which wouldn't pay MY bills, but hey) who lose money everytime they work. Every single time. I can't imagine what they are doing unless they have husbands who can scrape through the rent for them, but they keep coming back and giving the club their money. So we can agitate and sue, and they hand something over, and then take it back in some form of punishment because girls will let them.
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    another problem is when there are too many girls, girls will sit with customers for little/no money. I can't stand this because it ruins it for everyone else. A guy that might spend money will realize that he won't have to.

    There are many nights where the girls outnumber the guys, but it's the nature of the business. You can't know how much traffic will come in. Of course these nights stick out in your head because you are miserable, bored, and have no money.

    Then there will be a few nights where it's good. We conveniently forget these at that time.

    This is why I think it's important to build regulars. I know a lot of girls hate them, but especially in times lke these (AUGUST!!!!! ) I can almost count on knowing that half my money will be earned from someone that has spent money on me before.

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    NYC clubs are often running 100 dancers a night. It is stressful, especially since certain nights there simply aren't enough customers and it's a struggle just to make our fees. I'm extremely lucky that I've never once, in 6 years fallen short but I've come close a few nights.

    Think about it...$300 in fees x 100 dancers? Screw the drinks, WE'RE where the club is making its rent from!
    Yes, and there is another aspect as well. Top shelf 'show clubs' use the high stage fee as a 'quality control' measure. In other words, in clubs with high stage fees, girls who are 'average' will be allowed to work provided they pony up the $100 or $200 or higher nightly stage fee to the club in advance, and THEN be given the opportunity to convince customers to throw enough business in their direction so that they can 'break even' or maybe actually make some money ! This setup typically results in a steady turnover of 'average' girls who insist on handing all of the money they earn to the club for the privelege of working there (or even handing the club some of their own money as well !), but who quickly figure out that they're not 'cutting it' with top shelf club customers after a week or so of trying.

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    OMG I so agree with not hiring back dancers that get fired!!!

    I used to dance in a club that was out in the middle of nowhere basically (do to the fact that I go to school out in the middle of no where). Everynight we'd have 7-8 girls dancing and on some nights not one customer would show up until 11-12 o'clock and the club closed at 2. Some of the girls there were previously fired for drugs or extras, then allowed back just to be fired again. I can remember some nights so dead that the top girl was walking out with maybe $80 in her pocket.

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    As long as we're paying to work clubs will take back girls who were "fired". Since we don't really get "hired", how can we really be "fired"? It sucks ass, but it comes with the territory.

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