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    I am sure my fellow Philadelphians have already read the paper. It is so sad and horrible that they found the 17 year old escort dead and topless in the woods. She is said to have had coke in her system. What is more shocking is the confusion between the man who hired her(who claims to have sent her off ALIVE and sick with another dancer and her boyfriend) and the dancer and boyfriend who ADMIT to picking her up from the mans house DEAD and dropping her off in the WOODS. This situation has also caused me to take a look at some underlying issues as well.
    1. If prostitution was made legal... there could be programs for veterans to mentor young girls who may be interested in this type of work.( This could decrease the use of girls ,who may be taking drugs because the job is too hard without drugs)
    2. The newspaper article makes clear to mention the escorts DANCER friends who are also involved in the escort business as well.... and who have been charged with many previous criminal offenses.(Drug related as well as violence and i think some prostitution) It mentions the go -go club they work in and all. I understand that what dancers do on their own time is their business, and if they keep it out of the club then fine. Regardless... I wish that girls, who choose to do this ,would just stick to their escorting gig for the most part. I guess i am just mad because this article is just another one, of the many ways ,that all dancers will seem to be more than simple fantasy providers.
    Anyway, my heart goes out to the girl regardless of what she was involved in. Her death was horrible and most likely could have been prevented. Shame on the people who would simply dump any human body in the woods. And if this customer(who did claim to seek only mere companionship.. true or not...) is telling the truth of her still being alive.. he should have took her to the hospital himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silky
    I am sure my fellow Philadelphians have already read the paper. It is so sad and horrible that they found the 17 year old escort dead and topless in the woods. She is said to have had coke in her system. What is more shocking is the confusion between the man who hired her(who claims to have sent her off ALIVE and sick with another dancer and her boyfriend) and the dancer and boyfriend who ADMIT to picking her up from the mans house DEAD and dropping her off in the WOODS.
    Yea, my bullshit meter is pinging here.

    Anyhow, the Derek types can expect this to happen some day. OTC ain't all it's "cracked" up to be eh?

    1. If prostitution was made legal... there could be programs for veterans to mentor young girls who may be interested in this type of work.( This could decrease the use of girls ,who may be taking drugs because the job is too hard without drugs)
    I will probably get slapped a round a little for saying this, but I bet the drugs had a lot more to do with her escorting than escorting had to do with her drugs.

    2. The newspaper article makes clear to mention the escorts DANCER friends who are also involved in the escort business as well.... and who have been charged with many previous criminal offenses.(Drug related as well as violence and i think some prostitution) It mentions the go -go club they work in and all. I understand that what dancers do on their own time is their business, and if they keep it out of the club then fine. Regardless... I wish that girls, who choose to do this ,would just stick to their escorting gig for the most part. I guess i am just mad because this article is just another one, of the many ways ,that all dancers will seem to be more than simple fantasy providers.
    Yep. But only dancers will voice such things and you need to say it in the local opinion page and in public. The public needs to be educated.

    Anyway, my heart goes out to the girl regardless of what she was involved in. Her death was horrible and most likely could have been prevented. Shame on the people who would simply dump any human body in the woods. And if this customer(who did claim to seek only mere companionship.. true or not...) is telling the truth of her still being alive.. he should have took her to the hospital himself.
    Of course it was the customer's fault.

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    It sounds like a lot of people were at fault here, mainly the stupid dealer who sold her the bad shit..

    next in line is the girl herself for not making better choices..
    Secondly is the fella that hired her, not because he hired her, but because he was a dumb-ass for not taking her to the hospital..

    Thirdly is the pompous, overbearing city government that is soooooo, much better than that poor little girl.. please.

    lastly, that dancer and her boyfriend.. all I have to say to that is .. wtf were YOU thinking?

    This whole thing is screwed up from the get go.
    Disease, death and just all around dumbness!

    Have we really gone back to the back-door abortion type days? This is suppose to be an enlightened, literate - well read, thinking, society.. good lord.
    I'm just disgusted beyond words at this point.

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    Shouldn't you put the girl first in line for not making better choices? A lot of this could have been negated based on the choices she herself made.

    I hate to say it, but the girl is a sterotypical statistic.

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    When you hang out with a cokehead, you never know what else she's on or when she's going to die on you.

    I think Deogol was on the mark saying "the drugs had a lot more to do with her escorting than escorting had to do with her drugs."

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    I think whatever company she worked for should be worried, the girl was only 17. I thought you had to be at least 18 to work in this industry. Don't they inforce child pornography laws in Philly?

    Really Sad! I feel bad for her family...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol
    Shouldn't you put the girl first in line for not making better choices? A lot of this could have been negated based on the choices she herself made.

    I hate to say it, but the girl is a stereotypical statistic.
    Yes she is a stereotypical statistic.
    Based on the information given, there are A LOT of people to blame here and not all of it goes on the girl herself.

    First off - ( this is going to sound horrible, but this is just the way it is.)
    Drug dealers are basically business persons, their one main rule is don't do your own product and don't sell dirty shit.
    This person she was dealing with either was that stupid to not be a proper business person or they outright knew that their product was bad.

    So first in line in the blame is the coke dealer. Or whomever she got her drugs from. If it was the "good stuff" the most she could of done was gotten high - done her thing and gone home. Bad choices indeed, but she still would of been alive.

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    I agree with Deogol. But then again, she was a minor, her parents should have been on top of that...

    What most likely happened was she OD'd at the customer's house, the other 2 came to get her, she died on the way to the hospital and they dumped her body.

    Prostitution SHOULD be legal. In the one place in the U.S. that it is, things go very well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crow
    If it was the "good stuff" the most she could of done was gotten high - done her thing and gone home. Bad choices indeed, but she still would of been alive.
    You can do "good stuff" and go into cardiac arrest, death resulting. Cocaine plays a complex trick on the auto-immune system, both short-term and long. That's what makes it so dangerous.

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    Shouldn't you put the girl first in line for not making better choices? A lot of this could have been negated based on the choices she herself made.
    Amen.

    Tragic, but completely avoidable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SportsWriter2
    When you hang out with a cokehead, you never know what else she's on or when she's going to die on you.

    I think Deogol was on the mark saying "the drugs had a lot more to do with her escorting than escorting had to do with her drugs."
    I completely agree with the first part of SW2's post however I question the second half.

    Where else is a 17 year old going to make enough cash to support a drug habit ?

    In my opinion this kind of story represents not so much a sex workers stereotypical situation but rather a drug addicts.

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    n my opinion this kind of story represents not so much a sex workers stereotypical situation but rather a drug addicts.
    Unfortunately for the vast majority of dancers, this incident includes a combination of all of the 'components' of the Hollywood dancer stereotype ... dancer -> underage -> prostitute -> drug addict = this dancer (and by implication all other dancers) was a worthless, immoral, law-breaker who 'deserved/asked for' what she got !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer
    Amen.

    Tragic, but completely avoidable.
    Choices? She was 17. She should have had some GUIDANCE.

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    tHATS ABSOLUTLY HORRIBLE !!!!
    it enrages me the way people treat situation such as those ,especially the cops ,,, they act like "oh another escort " next case please " they hardly conduct anykind of investigation or anything ,and lord knows how the media fucks shit up .
    no matter what the girl was doing to make money she was still a real person .
    My sympathies go out to her friend & family
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    Quote Originally Posted by tampafldancer
    Choices? She was 17. She should have had some GUIDANCE.
    I had a "problem child" for a brother. Dropped out of school in the ninth grade. Parents took him to a psychologist, counseling, etc.

    You just couldn't tell that kid anything.

    Having experience with addicts in my life (but luckily not addiction unless it is logging into this site), I know that addiction clouds up the ability of anyone to give guidance to such a person.

    Sometimes, you just have to let them fall flat on their face and hope the fall doesn't kill them.

    It is certainly a sad, sad situation.

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    She should have had some GUIDANCE.
    You need guidance to know that putting coke up your nose is probably not a great idea and that there's potentially serious side effects from its ingestion?
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    The paper said she lived with an aunt and uncle in jersey so she could do better in school.
    (She is from philly and the escort and club are in philly) She was in a vo -tech school for technology. I am not sure where the parents are. They also mentioned that the customer was known for drugs or something. ( The other dancers had worked for him before) Also, the club that the dancer worked at,.... is said to be owned by crooked cops who had some legal troubles back a few years ago. ( That info is from the paper)

    I do agree that everyone has a part in the blame, including the victim.

    I get mad because i feel as though the elements ,that are looked down on the most in society,( drugs.. and anyone related to the adult industry) are treated so taboo.
    I feel as though, if less people had to sneak around to indulge in these elements.... tragedies would be less likely to occur. Whether society faces it or not..... people are not going to stop indulging in these types of pleasures. They will do what they have to do to get what they want. (The safe way or unfortunately in an unsafe way, whether it be drugs, a girl wanting to work in the industry, or a customer looking to purchase a service)

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    Whatever the reason and whomever is to blame it's still a horrible, horrible thing..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer
    You need guidance to know that putting coke up your nose is probably not a great idea and that there's potentially serious side effects from its ingestion?
    Stupidity and naivete are not one in the same. We don't know a damn thing about this girl's background. For all we know she was raped and beaten as a kid, and that's a lot of pain to want to kill if you don't have access to pricey shrinks and Prozac. When your past tortures you and fills your brain with thoughts of every awful kind, you just want to kill that pain. People like that usually become junkies. Coke comes a close second because apparently it makes people euphoric and super-confident. I wouldn't know since I've never tried it...

    Or who knows, she might have been raised in a good, loving home and just fucked herself up majorly. We don't know.

    I'm not making excuses for this girl, because she did obviously make bad choices. Regardless, what happened to her was awful and she didn't deserve to die like that.

    It pisses me off that the cops never really seem to care. This was someone's daughter/sister/friend.
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    Underage or not, that 18th birthday doesn't suddenly make anyone any less ignorant than they were the day before. She was old enough to make a choice to use drugs; she was old enough to choose NOT to as well. I agree with the guys here, her hooking was most likely a result of her drug habit, and SHE ultimately made her own choices and took the risks. Yes the dealer should be strung up for distributing bad dope. We have no idea what her parents/family were like - they could have done everything they knew to teach her well. There's only so much you can do with a teenager - they WILL make their own choices and we all know teenagers are famous for making the wrong ones often. Unfortuntately those choices have consequences and this girl doesn't get another chance to learn from her mistakes. Very sad. Hopefully others will learn from her example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol
    I had a "problem child" for a brother. Dropped out of school in the ninth grade. Parents took him to a psychologist, counseling, etc.

    You just couldn't tell that kid anything.

    Having experience with addicts in my life (but luckily not addiction unless it is logging into this site), I know that addiction clouds up the ability of anyone to give guidance to such a person.

    Sometimes, you just have to let them fall flat on their face and hope the fall doesn't kill them.

    It is certainly a sad, sad situation.

    Sometimes, but in this particular case we are unfamiliar with the backround on that.

    Chrildren need guidance. If they are problem chrildren that is a whole different issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer
    You need guidance to know that putting coke up your nose is probably not a great idea and that there's potentially serious side effects from its ingestion?

    Casual! You need to be taught right and wrong and good values. You really dont know the backround in this case and neither do i.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NinaDaisy
    Stupidity and naivete are not one in the same. We don't know a damn thing about this girl's background. For all we know she was raped and beaten as a kid, and that's a lot of pain to want to kill if you don't have access to pricey shrinks and Prozac. When your past tortures you and fills your brain with thoughts of every awful kind, you just want to kill that pain. People like that usually become junkies. Coke comes a close second because apparently it makes people euphoric and super-confident. I wouldn't know since I've never tried it...

    Or who knows, she might have been raised in a good, loving home and just fucked herself up majorly. We don't know.

    I'm not making excuses for this girl, because she did obviously make bad choices. Regardless, what happened to her was awful and she didn't deserve to die like that.

    It pisses me off that the cops never really seem to care. This was someone's daughter/sister/friend.

    exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crow
    It sounds like a lot of people were at fault here, mainly the stupid dealer who sold her the bad shit..


    R

    id never blame the dealer, blame the drug user. no one MADE her consume that coke, she obviously did it willingly,and paid the price.

    her being an escort is irrelevant if she died from an overdose. i dont care if shes a hooker or an accountant. she woulda died from the overdose regardless of occupation.

    the drug was dodgy, she shoulda tested it.

    shes stupid.
    unfortunatly, now her family has this terrible thing hanging over their heads forever.


    in saying that, the whole story does sound a bit fucked up too.

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