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    Quote Originally Posted by mermaidnz
    id never blame the dealer, blame the drug user. no one MADE her consume that coke, she obviously did it willingly,and paid the price.
    While I admit that is most likely true but we don't know for sure.

    I have been dosed at work before and I sure as hell didn't "choose" to do any drugs !

    Gotta say a few of the comments I've read here make me really sad

    We are talking about a VERY young women who was dumped half naked in the woods.

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    Drug addiction is a biological issue, just as depression is, just as cancer is.

    Sure, it's someone's choice to do coke or not get out of bed or not eat enough antioxidants, but if your biology is fucked to begin with, there's nothing you can do.

    For all we know, this could have been the first time she did coke. For all we know, she could have been trying to get help.

    I think it's really sad that people think that people become addicted to drugs because they are stupid or lazy.

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    Liquor is a substance that is abused, albeit not a illegal one but still - if she had died from alcohol poisoning. I don't think there would be half the uproar over it, or the sensationalism.

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    ^ True. I feel for her family, but at the same time they should be bitch-slapped. If they were taking care of her, and watching her like they should; then this could have been avoided.

    I know that's harsh, but as a parent it's their number one priority. My kids come first, above all others. I just wish all parents felt this way; and showed it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gianna Orleans
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    it enrages me the way people treat situation such as those ,especially the cops ,,, they act like "oh another escort " next case please " they hardly conduct anykind of investigation or anything...
    Although I'm sure there is much truth to this, to my understanding, these sorts of cases are notoriously hard to solve. At least in the case of street prostitution, where a girl jumps in a car with a complete stranger. Two of the worst serial killers in recent history were able to remain uncaught for years because of this very problem. Many of the young victims were also using false identities and were far from home. The Green River killer in Seattle and the Pig farmer in Vancouver both fall into this mold.

    Do doubt many cops find it very emotionally draining to work on such cases with so frustratingly few results. The real life stories from the detectives that worked on both above cases is a difficult to imagine experience.
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    Plenty of cops are pigs. Not these ones. The first chapter title of Sheriff Reichart's book is telling about his emotional attachment to a case that took 21 years to solve: Somebody's Daughters.

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    I....oh fuck it. I was going to have to go on some 4 page rant to address all this stuff. But, let's sum up. Doing street drugs=risking death, period. Regardless of age, guidance, social standing, etc....people know this. You roll the dice, plain and simple. And, if drugs were legal this wouldn't happen? OKAY. Anyway, I have seen friends brought up in million dollar homes... with great parents, OD and die. Meanwhile, street kids who have known nothing but pain their whole lives are alive and well. Is it about bad choices? Partially, yeah. But it's about YOUR choices. Blaming the dealer or anyone else is like blaming the hammer company when you hit your thumb. Stupid. Your life didn't turn out how you planned? Boo-fuckin'-Hoo. Whose did?
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    Ummm...what kind of friend dumps their friend in the woods? If I recall correctly, this girl was ALIVE when she left her customer's house...so that would mean that something happened in the car (or at least not at the customer's house). Doesn't anyone find it strange that these "friends" didn't call 911 or drop her off at the hospital?

    She may have made some bad choices...but geez...

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    Yes, VG...and maybe I was hasty by only addressing the one aspect of it. Choose your friends wisely, folks. (Sorry, I got caught up in the drug-blame-game).
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    Another take on the story...
    "She has written so well, and marvellously well, that I was completely ashamed of myself as a writer...But this girl, who is to my knowledge very unpleasant and we might even say a high-grade bitch, can write rings around all of us who consider ourselves as writers"

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    Things like this happen frequently. Not too long ago in my area a couple men picked up a teenage girl, gave her too much meth, and dumped her body in the country when she OD'ed. Then they went to play slots at a local casino. The cops arrested them weeks later.
    It's not fun to take off the rose-colored glasses..but the problem in this country is the abandonment of personal responsibility. Her parents didn't care enough to talk to her and she didn't care enough to be cautious while doing a risky job.
    You think this tale is sad? Think of the stories we don't hear about.

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    It still amazes me that no one called 911...

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    Apparently the customer CLAIMS she left his house alive. Of course he does. Apparently the "friends" CLAIM she was already dead when they picked her up from the guy's house. Of course they do. **Added: And OF COURSE police believe it was her first time escorting - the agency wouldn't want to admit they may have been regularly pimping a minor.** We'll probably never know the real story there.

    I'm thinking though, that the reason no one called 911 or tried taking her to a hospital is they were all afraid of getting themselves in trouble. They were all engaged in illegal activity AND contributing with a minor. They were probably not sober either. People in those situations almost never act rationally.

    She was engaging in prostitution and hard drug use at age 17. Just with those facts, does anyone really think she didn't have a habit or this was her first time? Nah. And even if it were, it was all her own choice. We all know there's enough anti-drug messages on tv and in school such that she would have had SOME clue she was taking a chance with her life, whether her parents taught her anything or not.

    Addiction may be physiological, but that first time is still a conscious choice.

    And once again, have we all forgotten what we were like as teenagers? Teenagers WILL do what they want, regardless of what kind of parents they have. It's too bad she paid the ultimate price and she may have had lots of help (or not) but she took herself down the path.

    I really can't sympathize too much with people who play with their lives because they had/have a rough time. No one's life is perfect - we can choose to deal with it appropriately.

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    I thought the notation that HookerBob paid the get-away/disposal team $2600 was a bit significant. Just a bit. 'Course, it could have been the duct tape he gave them to put over their license plate that made me think something shifty was up.
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    I agree with Bridgette! Where was her guidence earlier in life?

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    My point on legality issues was soley to suggest that if certain elements of society were legal, people may be more inclined to obtain them in a less dangerous manner. Such as a girl going to work in a more safe brothel(prostitution), or a girl buying a more pure quality drug.( Not saying the drugs in this specific case were definitley un-pure)
    Yea there will still always be risks in life regardless, and each person is soley responsible for themselves in the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silky
    My point on legality issues was soley to suggest that if certain elements of society were legal, people may be more inclined to obtain them in a less dangerous manner. Such as a girl going to work in a more safe brothel(prostitution), or a girl buying a more pure quality drug.( Not saying the drugs in this specific case were definitley un-pure)
    Yea there will still always be risks in life regardless, and each person is soley responsible for themselves in the end.
    You know, that is a ridiculous idealistic view of things.

    Alcohol, a perfectly legal drug, has ripped my "nuclear" family apart and then ripped my own family apart.

    One can read daily about drunken drivers killing themselves and other people.

    I think the legality of these things is a straw man argument. The shit is dangerous. Being around people like that means a whole lot of drama and trouble than one needs... because they are thinking like a nutzo.

    Prostitution... I am yet undecided on that.

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    when the rave culture was really big, sites were giving out free testing kits to make sure the rolls you had were "safe", aka not mixed with anything.

    why aren't there free testing kits for meth and coke? i do coke now and again and i do it responsibily. i've done some bad shit in my day. i can't even imagine what it must be like to be seventeen and seriously addicted.

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    Same as with guns. . .drugs don't kill people, PEOPLE kill people. If you're dumb enough to go buy your shit from the street corner or get free drugs from people you don't know you got what's coming to you. Maybe if her mamma had been a bit of a better parent she wouldn't have been whoring herself out at such an early age while having fun with a coke addiction or whatever. Responsibility. It's a bitch.

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    Whoring? One could call stripping "whoring".. more than likely not the simplistic, literal terms your talking but still much the same principal.

    We are slaves to the dollar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crow
    Whoring? One could call stripping "whoring".. more than likely not the simplistic, literal terms your talking but still much the same principal.

    We are slaves to the dollar.
    I don't understand.

    The girl was out fucking for money. If that isn't the definition of whoring then I don't know what is.

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    Just to update this topic...On the news on the way home from work last night, there was a protest out in front of Tattle Tales. There were folks on bullhorns screaming about decency and the like. They made some ridiculous point about how the GM of the club is somehow responsible for what his employees do when they're not at work, something along those lines. As I understand it, the girl didn't actually work AT the club, but was contacted by a girl who did? Anyway, the main point of this post is that they are now taking this to City Council, some "Concerned Citizens Decency Bill" type thing, and they want all clubs away from churches, schools, residences, playgrounds etc. Which, to be honest, won't effect several of the bigger clubs in Philly. But, it seems like a bad omen. What constitutes a residence, ya know? There are houses right behind Dangerous Curves, apartments on the same block as Signatures, etc. I am just wondering how far it will go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrChristopher
    Just to update this topic...On the news on the way home from work last night, there was a protest out in front of Tattle Tales. There were folks on bullhorns screaming about decency and the like. They made some ridiculous point about how the GM of the club is somehow responsible for what his employees do when they're not at work, something along those lines. As I understand it, the girl didn't actually work AT the club, but was contacted by a girl who did? Anyway, the main point of this post is that they are now taking this to City Council, some "Concerned Citizens Decency Bill" type thing, and they want all clubs away from churches, schools, residences, playgrounds etc. Which, to be honest, won't effect several of the bigger clubs in Philly. But, it seems like a bad omen. What constitutes a residence, ya know? There are houses right behind Dangerous Curves, apartments on the same block as Signatures, etc. I am just wondering how far it will go.
    Yep. Some political capital to be made here.

    Hopefully the club has people out there too - but I doubt it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crow
    Whoring? One could call stripping "whoring".. more than likely not the simplistic, literal terms your talking but still much the same principal.

    We are slaves to the dollar.
    I agree, everyone is a whore in some aspect.

    Lawyers are whores in the fact they are out for money. The same can be said about Joe Blow down the street who just started a new job where he makes more, or your Dr who just had a rate increase, or you CPA (We all have a CPA right?) who charges you to do your books and taxes.

    I hate the word whore, it implys something so horrible, but in reality it's ultimatly American.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kitana
    I agree, everyone is a whore in some aspect.

    Lawyers are whores in the fact they are out for money. The same can be said about Joe Blow down the street who just started a new job where he makes more, or your Dr who just had a rate increase, or you CPA (We all have a CPA right?) who charges you to do your books and taxes.

    I hate the word whore, it implys something so horrible, but in reality it's ultimatly American.
    Boy, that is a redefinition of whore. Talk about reworking words. You make it sound like every person who makes a dollar out there is a whore.

    I suppose, if everyone is a whore, then the word and it's label is diluted in meaning.

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    Well I'm not trying to support illegal prostitution in any form. But to be fair everyone is a slave to the almighty dollar. And would do anything to earn it. Which is the basic principal for hooking.

    I agree the word is diluted, and should be done away with.
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