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    Question,

    What happens when you want to go to professional school? What if you want to be a lawyer or a doctor?

    The reason I ask is because I'm interested in these professions. However, I'm concerned about the "good moral conduct" background check these organizations do. I know that they are primarily concerned with whether or not you did something illegal, but, can they deny you membership to their bar organizations or deny your certification if they find out you used to be a dancer? Does anyone know?

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    No they can not , but I wouldn't advertise it. I work part-time at a local hospital just so there is never a question of what I did during that period of my life. Dancing is not illegal, to deny you taking the bar would be discrimination.

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    There is a lawyer here in SoCal that does porn on his weekends off. It may not be what you want in a lawyer, but it's not illegal. Dancing isn't illegal and unless you've been charged with prostitution, you should be fine.
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    To the best of my knowledge about the NY area legal and medical professions, the mere fact that you worked as a dancer will probably not be discovered unless you choose to tell somebody about it. The legal and medical professions WILL research your background completely though as part of the professional licensing procedure, meaning that if you have worked in a northeast city where you needed to obtain a dancer's license that the existance of that license and the fact that you were a dancer may be held against you. It won't stop you from working as an attorney or doctor, but it might limit your career options - i.e. forget about direct politically connected law (DA's office, judicial), forget about working in most private hospitals (particularly religious affiliated ones).

    Same holds true to an even worse degree if you should ever be busted. Bogus or not, and innocent or guilty, the mere existance of a lewd conduct charge or prostitution charge or city anti-dance club ordinance charge on your record raises potential 'morality' questions. This could interfere with your ability to obtain a professional license in the legal or medical field after you obtain your JD or MD degree, and could severely limit your career options (i.e. you'd wind up working in 'second fiddle' assistant roles for which you are overqualified).

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    Melonie,

    I'm quite glad you responded to this post. In fact, I was HOPING you would. You are one of the most well researched people on this board!

    I haven't worked anywhere in the Northeast where I needed a license. But in Georgia, you have to obtain a special permit to work at an adult club. I was told that they only keep the records for so many years or that they just plain get knocked out of the system by the number of dancers who apply for permits. But that was 3 years ago. By the time I get out of school, 7 to 10 years will have lapsed before I apply for a professional license. That said, could they still find out and could it still be held against me?

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    It can not keep you from getting a license since it's not illegal and obviously you are adhering to the law in having the license. I wouldn't bring it up myself, but if they do, DO NOT LIE. Being a dancer is nothing to be ashamed of. Many successful people have done more.
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    "Many successful people have done more."

    Ain't that the damn truth! LOL!!!!!!

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    The only way that you would NOT be allowed to practice law or medicine is if you "lie" or fail to disclose that you did something in your life. If you put on the Bar/Medical License Application that you worked briefly as a stripper to pay for your law school/med school expenses, they usually look the other way. However, if you don't disclose that information...when they run the background checks and find out that you did do it, you will immediately be "disqualified" for failure to be honest and truthful...basically they'll say that they cannot trust that you will uphold the very moral codes that you are swearing by.

    So, just be honest about everything in your life...no matter how trivial you think it may be, and you won't have anything to worry about.

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    I am a lawyer, so I have gone through the licensing process, including completing the fifty page long autobiography. VenusGoddess is exactly right. The only possible problem would come from being less than candid about your background. Dancing is a legal job, and assuming that you don't have any criminal problems in your past otherwise, the fact that you worked as a dancer is not an issue. Period. In my state, we have to undergo a personal "character and fitness" interview. However, the only concern that I had to address was to assure the lawyer interviewing me that I knew that I had to repay my student loans.

    I would hold my head high and not worry about it.

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    Sorry if I was wrong about that. I have not looked over the paperwork yet and did not know if they would ask that or not. My answer was given with the best intentions...
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    Sorry if I was unclear, I meant if it was asked in an interview.
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    I have a friend who is now a lawyer who was charged with a federal crime before law school. She wasn't a stripper but she got in trouble for climbing on those things you grab your luggage from in the airport. Yeah, I guess it is a federal crime (who knew?) anyway, she disclosed it and was accepted to lawschool and is now a lawyer.

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    See ABA Model Rule of Professional Conduct (for lawyers). Rule 8.1: Bar Admission and Disciplinary Matters.

    An applicant for admission to the bar, or a lawyer in connection with a bar admission application or in connection with a disciplinary matter, shall not:
    (a) knowingly make a false statement of material fact; or
    (b) fail to disclose a fact necessary to correct a misapprehension known by the person to have arisen in the matter, or knowingly fail to respond to a lawful demand for information from an admissions or disciplinary authority...

    The advice already given is pretty good. You don't have to volunteer this unless someone asks. But then don't lie about it, because this WOULD be a material fact. You'll probably be okay on just the standard bar admission, which usually just checks for crimes and they also take your fingerprints. But lots of legal careers do a much more extensive background check - if your job involves government, kids, public money, or old/disabled people, you can expect to answer lots of personal questions. If you omit a significant portion of time and don’t account for a job during that time, this will raise questions. They're not so much concerned that you had a sexy job, but they ARE concerned with how you made a living during that time and why you didn't report it, and they'll need to know you paid taxes and stuff on your income. As we've said, dancing isn't illegal, but if you omit stuff, they'll asume you were up to something more sinister (drug trafficking, organized crime? Bootlegging? Gasp!)

    When you fill out your official applications in the future, check with the SC managers where you've worked. Most likely, they do their paper business under a more professional-sounding legal name, and sometimes its completely different than what's on the neon sign out front. You’ll probably find that saying you worked at TCM Enterprises, Ltd. as a customer service liason sounds better than “cage dancing at The Cat’s Meow, out by the airport”

    Finally, if you still have questions, just check with a local attorney in your state. Chances are, there will probably be several members of the local bar watching your next set! This is an easy question for a lawyer to research and should only cost about $75-100. You can probably barter with your LD’s!

    Good luck, dd

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirrtyd

    Finally, if you still have questions, just check with a local attorney in your state. Chances are, there will probably be several members of the local bar watching your next set! This is an easy question for a lawyer to research and should only cost about $75-100. You can probably barter with your LD’s!

    Oh, and I meant to also add that this consultation would be completely confidential, by law. Your privacy would also apply to seeing a doctor about this question if you were interested in medical school.

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    I don't know any dancers-turned-lawyers, but when I talked to a lawyer friend of mine, she said it might, in some cases even be an asset if you're applying to the right school--sometimes they're more interested in people with diverse life experiences. I'm not saying that it's something you should write your entrance essay on, but you don't have to be totally paranoid about it screwing up your future, either.

    Besides, it could be worse. What if you hadn't worked for six years because you were selling weed? Explain that gap.

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    Gosh what a random thread... Not working cuz you were sellin pot...

    LOL

    XOXOXO

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    I'm a Paralegal. Hold your head up.. be proud of what you have done to accomplish where you are today (or in your case, where you will be).. I am not ashamed of my roots, and if anyone ever asks me how I got the money to fund my education, I will gladly point to my feet and smile...


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    Quote Originally Posted by BrainyDancerGirl
    I haven't worked anywhere in the Northeast where I needed a license. But in Georgia, you have to obtain a special permit to work at an adult club. I was told that they only keep the records for so many years or that they just plain get knocked out of the system by the number of dancers who apply for permits. But that was 3 years ago. By the time I get out of school, 7 to 10 years will have lapsed before I apply for a professional license. That said, could they still find out and could it still be held against me?
    Don't know about Med School/Licenses or any other profession besides Law for that matter but, insofar as the Bar goes, regardless of State, the single worse offense you can ever commit is to get caught lying to the Bar on your application for a license. I know attorneys who had felony convictions for offenses all the way up to, and including manslaughter that were nevertheless accepted into the Bar (albeit, after a fair amount of hassle and delay) - on the other hand, I've seen several cases where an applicant lied about much lesser offenses, etc., and was NEVER able to overcome their failure to disclose same on their application.

    Dancing won't cause you a problem with the Bar... but lying about dancing on a Bar application almost certainly will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirrtyd
    The advice already given is pretty good. You don't have to volunteer this unless someone asks. But then don't lie about it, because this WOULD be a material fact. You'll probably be okay on just the standard bar admission, which usually just checks for crimes and they also take your fingerprints.
    Um, just so you know...this is WRONG. If you do not disclose ALL of your information on ANY law school or bar admission application, you will NOT be allowed to practice law. You do not wait until someone physically asks you. Consider if you are filling out the application, that they are asking you...and by not disclosing it on the application, you can kiss your legal career good-bye. Don't fuck around with the information on your applications. Stupid move.

    When you fill out your official applications in the future, check with the SC managers where you've worked. Most likely, they do their paper business under a more professional-sounding legal name, and sometimes its completely different than what's on the neon sign out front. You’ll probably find that saying you worked at TCM Enterprises, Ltd. as a customer service liason sounds better than “cage dancing at The Cat’s Meow, out by the airport”
    This would be considered a form of "lying" on the application. You are NOT a customer service liason at TCM Enterprises. You are a dancer at the Cat's Meow. Trying to make it sound like you have a different job is looked on as just as deceitful as not saying anything at all. Each company has it's own "classification" code with the IRS. It would not be hard for the investigating officer to know that you are/were employed at a strip club. Them: "Why didn't you just put that you are/were a dancer at this club?" You: "Well, um, I just thought CSL would sound better." That won't fly. You have nothing to worry about if you are honest, but if you are not fully disclosing and honest, you'll have a big, fat law school tuition to pay back and no job as being a practicing, licensed lawyer. Oh, and don't think that you can go to another state and just apply there. This follows you...it'll come up in the investigation. Just be fully, completely truthful and you won't have to worry.

    Finally, if you still have questions, just check with a local attorney in your state.
    There shouldn't even be a fee for that. You are not asking for legal opinion, you are asking for qualifications and admission procedures. Most attorneys I know will just give the information freely without hesitation or charge. But, you can also sit and consult with law school professors. They are more up-to-date on everything that happens in the legal field than most lawyers are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrainyDancerGirl
    I haven't worked anywhere in the Northeast where I needed a license. But in Georgia, you have to obtain a special permit to work at an adult club. I was told that they only keep the records for so many years or that they just plain get knocked out of the system by the number of dancers who apply for permits. But that was 3 years ago. By the time I get out of school, 7 to 10 years will have lapsed before I apply for a professional license. That said, could they still find out and could it still be held against me?
    Marcia Clark (the OJ Prosecutor) was a dancer. If you are a dancer and you do not disclose that on the application...you won't be a lawyer. Just because "they" say that records are expunged after so many years...don't believe it. ANYTHING can be found out about ANYONE in these background checks and investigations. Why take the chance? Wouldn't it suck not to disclose it counting on the fact that it would have been bumped out of the system, only to have the investigator come back with that information? Don't take any chances. Just be completely honest. It will not be held against you if you were a dancer. It will be held against you if you were a dancer and failed to disclose it. The whole, "I didn't think they still had the records" excuse will definitely not fly here.

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    This may be off topic here, but it is also similary true in the medical field.
    The colleges and universities will grant you the M.D., but you need to be medical board certified in order to practice.
    You need to be truthful. Because without certification from the American Board of Medical Specialties, you got a useless degree, and after all that time and expense.
    This is one case where honesty pays, and pays a lot.

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    Actually, you don't need to be board-certified to practice medicine (in addition to me being a lawyer, Mrs. Grove is a doctor). However, you cannot practice medicine on the basis of your academic degree--you do need to go through a state licensing process, in which absolute candor is as important for the "Physician and Surgeon" (as the medical license is called in our state) as it is for the "Attorney and Counselor" (the law license).

    As far as "shopping around" bar applications, VG is again completely correct. A question on the bar application asks if you have ever been licensed in any other state, or applied to be licensed in any state, and the outcome of that. If the Illiinois Supreme Court shitcans your bar application because you lied to them, Indiana is going to find out about it, and do likewise.

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    This board certification hurts only when you try to market yourself as a doctor.
    People will ask, "Are you board certified?" And if you say no, they are out of there.
    Although, there are plenty of doctors who are not board certified. I don't think I would engage them.
    Similar to letting an un-certified structural engineer design a bridge.
    But this is moving away from the topic. So. I will end it here.

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    I will only speak for medicine. Good moral conduct in medicine is strictly concerned with your integrity and how this would affect your ability to treat patients. No 'fitness to practice' committee could openly damage your career because of a past stripping.

    Having said that the profession is still dominated by middle class men who will have the normal prejudices about strippers. You do not want to spend your 20 minute med school interview explaining your career to some stuffy consultant

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    wait, let me get this straight, i am applying to medical school next year, and i have to list my work experiences. do i have to add "dancer" to the list of jobs ive had on the application, or do I only have to note the dancing background when i'm applying for my license (after medical school)???

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