For u as a dancer to automatically assume the every guy reguardless of how well he may treat u in the club...
thinks of you as nothing more than a irestistible sex toy?
For u as a dancer to automatically assume the every guy reguardless of how well he may treat u in the club...
thinks of you as nothing more than a irestistible sex toy?
It isn't true, but if you think of women that way, I guess that is your hang up.
*because dancers are women, and not just some kind of digital animation portrayed for your pleaseure only...
Unless this post is meant to be some kind of joke, I don't get it.
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Some guys feel better about buying dances if they can objectify you. He's one of them.Originally Posted by Paris
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I think he meant that WE assume they think that way?
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i don’t get the question.. assumptions are always a waist of time and blinding to reality.





This is a bit of a problem for me, I guess. On the one hand, I WANT most the guys to think of me that way - the fewer attachments in the SC the better IMO. On the other hand, I don't want them to TREAT me that way. Heh, how's that for a contradiction?![]()





Got the reverse problem - I've got several OTC friendships with dancers. Having got to know them and several other dancers as individuals, I don't think I could regard any dancer as an "irresistable sex object."Originally Posted by Gendai73
Sorry, but dancers are individuals like the rest of us - people with their own hopes, fears and objectives - and to treat them purely as sex-toys is frankly demeaning towards them.
Phil.


Originally Posted by Gendai73
For u as a CUSTOMER to automatically assume the every DANCER reguardless of how well SHE may treat u in the club...
thinks of you as nothing more than a CASH MACHINE?
I agree with Paris and Bridgette - I want dancers to think of me as a person too but quit giving me these confusing signals about something else that may be going on between us.
Considering that dancers strip to make a living and pay their bills, I think cash does play into it. Sure, it would be nice to be considered a SEX MACHINE instead of a CASH MACHINE but thats not realistic for 99% of the junkie population.Originally Posted by FourWinns
I'm not sure that Paris and Bridgette would be in agreement but whatever. Anyway, the "signals" you are referring to are only confusing if you dont understand what is going on. A strippers job is to get customers all hot and bothered and thus extract money from them. A customers job is to get value for his dollars spent however one might interpret that. It's really not that complicated.Originally Posted by FourWinns
FBR
Once again I have embraced my addiction and have put off the moral dilemma to another day.





Well, you are assuming you know what signals the other poster is referring to, but since he didn't say what those signals are, you don't.Originally Posted by FBR
Like what if the signals were that the dancer keeps calling the customer up, asking him out, insisting on paying when they go out, bringing him little gifts, but still asking him to come to the club, still asking for dances, yet trying not to take proffered tips ITC? would those be confusing signals?
Originally Posted by dlabtot
He didnt say anything regarding the "what ifs" you mentioned. If the dancer is doing more than the usual club flirting to make money, then let the poster say so. Otherwise its business as usual.
FBR
Once again I have embraced my addiction and have put off the moral dilemma to another day.





I'm sure some girls do, but I know I dont. I prefer a customer, male or female, to see me as a living, breathing, feeling, THINKING human.
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Yeah, that was my point: he didn't say, yet you assumed that you knew what he meant anyway. You said the signals weren't confusing even though you have absolutely no clue what the signals were.Originally Posted by FBR
my Current atf told me last visit. during the conversation she said
"i know i'm nothing more than a sex toy to you."
after that i augued with her about it for 15-20 minutes i think she finally got my point but still extremely confused.





I agree with Four Winns actually. It's one thing for a stripper to engage in the "usual" strip club flirting and whatnot. It's another to try to imply there's "something else going on" as he says. Some girls do try to play into some weird bf-gf role too much, and I can see how that causes confusion. Treat the guys like a person but don't try to make him think there's more going on than really is.





But doesn't being seen as the "living, breathing, feeling, THINKING human" result in an increased incidence of invites to meet/date OTC? (Not your average dancer's preference).Originally Posted by PaigeDWinter
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Originally Posted by Mia M
Please. Methinks doth protest too much.Some guys feel better about buying dances if they can objectify you. He's one of them.
The only thing women hate more than being a sexual object is not being a sexual object.
Idealism is fine, but as it approaches reality, the costs become prohibitive.
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Not for me it doesnt. I get more guys who respect me and treat me with respect because I am NOT a glorified inflatable doll.Originally Posted by Phil-W
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Marasmus ... "Ladies don't fart. They butt-laugh."
Marasmus says, "Oh no, that wasn't gas, it was merely a rectal chuckle."
Marek says, "A friend of mine got punched in the face by a dominatrix stripper about two weeks ago and I thought of you."
B, I agree with you. But it also behooves the customer to learn how to deal with the out of the ordinary SS, if for no other reason than to preserve his sanity. The pseudo-OTC SS may not be nice but it happens all the time. If the customer starts believing it, hes gonna crash and burn faster than the Hindenburg.Originally Posted by Bridgette
FBR
Once again I have embraced my addiction and have put off the moral dilemma to another day.


The more I think about it - you're correct - believe I'm the confused one - most dancers I've encountered thus far are pretty straightforward.Originally Posted by FBR
But I met a dancer I really enjoy talking to and she's hinting about meeting OTC and I admit I wouldn't mind getting to know her better. Guess I'll never know if she's serious or just playing me unless I pursue it.
The other thing that confused me for a bit that I chalk up to being new to SCs... I didn't expect to find hookers in the clubs. I found it odd that $150 "car" payments kept getting worked into conversations. It took me a while to realize they were talking about a different kind of ride.
I keep telling myself to just watch the girls, get some dances, leave and forget anything they tell me - but it's hard to do that sometimes.




Don't know if I'm off topic with the following, so if I am, spork me at will...
Lately when I go to clubs I try to treat the dancers "professionally" (as in this is fun, but it's also business). I used to fall into the RIL trap rather easily, especially with dancers I'd see fairly often, or every time I was in town. The more I enjoyed their company, the more I spent, the more I would hope that this would transcend the dancer/customer vibe.
Nowadays, while I don't let myself get trapped, it all seems so...mechanical. Intro, small talk, VIP room, grind, pay, salutations. Lather, rinse, repeat. While this may be the best way to stay in control, it sure doesn't sound like fun, does it?
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So, accept that in 99.9% of cases, you're not going to see a dancer OTC.Originally Posted by The_Oceans
If you have a dance tell the dancer that you don't take it 100% seriously, but she's got a nice figure and you'll appreciate seeing it to it's best advantage. Make a point of letting her know you understand it's only a bit of fun, and that she's acting purely as an entertainer - in other words let her dance on her terms.
Most dancer's I know actually like to be appreciated, both for figure and dancing skills, and if they know that their customer is going to treat the dance as entertainment only, (with no OTC intentions), do their best to put on as enjoyable a performance as possible.
Sure, it's a job of work to a dancer, but they're like the rest of us; they find it easier to entertain if they're not continually worrying about being asked for a date, etc. If a dancer knows that she'll get repeat dances from a custy that likes her for her ITC personality, and with no great ambitions beyond that, you might just find she'll treat you on a more friendly/relaxed basis and that she'll put some genuine enthusiasm into her dances.
Your lack of fun is due to unrealistic expectations - the great majority of dancers don't want to genuinely meet customers OTC for a more personal relationship. Have more realistic expectations - you can see a pretty woman naked and enjoying performing for you on her terms. You might just find that fun, particularly if you convey that attitude to the dancer and she responds accordingly.
Phil.
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