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    Okay, I need some business advice here. I am SOO stressed-out!! I have noticed that there are many strip clubs getting pretty easy when it comes to contact rules.. They are basicly turning into whore houses. -4real. There is one club in my area where they let guys do what ever they want to with the girl! I was told that 9 monthes ago, this club has a new "pass" which guys can buy, where they can just go on the upper level in this club and the bouncers leave to go downstairs, and they do what ever they want to the girl! So, ever since this went on.. I have noticed my club getting a little more sleezy! Not like that club, but it just makes me wonder, what is going to happen in the next few years!?! Will all strip clubs turn into little whore houses?? -I am buggin out! Does anybody know if there will be any future laws taking place in the RI,CN,MA area? Because something needs to happen. I was told its legal 4 prostitution as long as its in a public location. And thats why more girls are giving head at the gentlemans clubs! (rather they belong on the street in my oppinion or at The Bunny Ranch, but not at a Strip club.) Its supposed to be a complete different ball game at a gentlemans club. So, now that I see more clubs legalizing prostitution... whats going to happen to the girls who arent like that? Should we plan to get out sooner than later? Or does anybody know of any laws about to change on this prostitution? Because it needs to go! I want these chics out and back to their own damn ranch or something. 4real. Any advice?

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    "I want these chics out and back to their own damn ranch or something"

    That actually made me laugh out loud. Hey are you talking about Cheaters in RI? I do wonder how that place opperates if everything you hear about it is true. I think there will always be a market for non-extras girls because not all guys want to cross that line. If a guy is really attracted to a non-extras girl he's gonna spend money on her anyhow. You'll be okay, hang in there!
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    Prostitution is not legal any were period. Except for the outskirts of nevada. Not sure what you are talking about. These clubs are doing this illegaly. Watch out for raids happening soon.

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    RI has a loophole in its laws. Basically, in RI, common streetwalking is a crime. If something happens indoors between consenting adults, it's not a crime. This was reported a couple of months back when Providence police were trying to crack down on the massage parlors. Try this link (free sign up required):


    Or try a search of the providence journal (projo.com) using the term massage.

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    Wow! So what you are saying is that anything goes in the club, legally, and the only thing I can get busted for then is not wearing latex? Fuckin' eh that is exciting! I'm not an extras girl, nor will I ever will be, but I'm still cool with a high mileage lap dance so it's nice to know that I don't have to fear getting busted for grinding and stupid shit like that. Woo hoo pass the latex!
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    Legal or not (and mostly not), an increasing number of clubs are allowing dancer to add HJ's, BJ's and FS to their 'menu' (or tolerating it in a don't ask don't tell scenario) in an effort to maintain customer interest, customer spending levels, and thus club and dancer earnings levels. IMHO this will eventually lead to a tiny minority of top shelf 'show clubs' which actually operate in low/no contact mode and 100% within the law, versus a majority of clubs where HJ's, BJ's and FS are readily available and expected by customers.

    This is likely to create a distinct schism in regard to dancers, i.e. no/low contact girls who are able to make the cut in regard to the hiring criteria at top shelf 'show clubs', versus girls who can't make the cut being forced to perform HJ's, BJ's or FS if they want to earn any reasonable amount of money working in other clubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TROU8LE~
    Will all strip clubs turn into little whore houses?? -I am buggin out! Does anybody know if there will be any future laws taking place in the RI,CN,MA area? Because something needs to happen.
    The RI legislature declined to deal with the prostitution loophole this session. All the Providence clubs are sleazier than they were two years ago, to the point where I have doubts about almost every dancer. I've never heard so many dancers calling other dancers coke whores and worse. So I spend far less money, and only on a select few.

    RI, CT and MA all have no-smoking laws. That has further eroded the customer base.

    I don't see clubs coming back to where they were 8-10 years ago or even last year. It just seems to get more depressing with every passing month.

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    So why are WE just sitting here complaining about it?

    How long will it be before WE actively participate in OUR industry regulations?

    This is the root of the problem, politicians and club owners have 110% control. Not us.


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    Glad to see there is at least one state left with adult entertainment friendly laws. Kudos to Rhode Island.

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    And yet another example of why the whole industry is in big trouble.

    Well, I guess it is juat another lead for Scott Bergthold.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yea
    So why are WE just sitting here complaining about it?

    How long will it be before WE actively participate in OUR industry regulations?

    This is the root of the problem, politicians and club owners have 110% control. Not us.
    Truly not meaning to be facetious, but here's an example of what's required to "actively participate'. Try collecting a $1000 donation from every dancer in every club in the city to buy TV air time for a pro-exotic dancing infomercial. When you get the $1000 from every dancer, let me know and I'll hook you up with a video producer !

    My point is of course that it takes more than good intentions and wishful thinking to change things, particularly when every politician will take an 'official' position against you, and particularly when vocal local citizen's groups have access to 'free' news coverage when crusading against you, and particularly when more than 50% of registered voters/local residents have never been inside a club and have 'learned' about 'strip clubs' and 'strippers' from the Hollywood Stereotype they see in movies and on TV.

    To actively participate in the political arena, which is what needs to happen to combat proposed new anti-dance club laws ...

    #1- you need a 'plausible' message ("It's my first amendment right to grind on your husband's crotch" doesn't cut it)
    #2- you need the financial and other resources to get that message out to registered voters (we're talking $$$ tens of thousands for a decent sized city)
    #3- you need a 'credible' mouthpiece (who can't be immediately blown out of the water by allegations of an illegal/immoral history)

    strip clubs and dancers usually fail on all three counts.


    The RI legislature declined to deal with the prostitution loophole this session. All the Providence clubs are sleazier than they were two years ago, to the point where I have doubts about almost every dancer. I've never heard so many dancers calling other dancers coke whores and worse. So I spend far less money, and only on a select few.
    This seems to be the result of 'liberalization' of club/prostitution laws, with the club scene in Holland and Germany and for that matter San Francisco serving as a fairly accurate example. Yes, dancers no longer have to work with one eye over their shoulder, 'bending' laws on a nightly basis in order to make money. But when sex for money is not prosecuted, dancers then have to worry about their ability to 'sell' anything short of sex for money !


    I don't see clubs coming back to where they were 8-10 years ago or even last year. It just seems to get more depressing with every passing month.
    Agreed. In fact, if you sit right down and analyze it, the club business of 8-10 years ago was an entirely different business model than clubs today - "show business" versus "sex business".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yea
    So why are WE just sitting here complaining about it?

    How long will it be before WE actively participate in OUR industry regulations?

    This is the root of the problem, politicians and club owners have 110% control. Not us.
    it would never happen in our area. most of these women are here for a quick buck and thats its, more than half are drug users. dani has heard one dancer call to buy (2) 8 balls in a night.

    is this the end of an era? probably not. i wouldnt fret over it. the problem honestly is with the women who do those extras. for example at a club my wife used to work at there was an overweight, ugly girl. but she made the most money, why? because she would give anyone a blow job, the club manager turns a blind eye because she blows him for free.

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    it would never happen in our area. most of these women are here for a quick buck and thats its, more than half are drug users. dani has heard one dancer call to buy (2) 8 balls in a night.

    is this the end of an era? probably not. i wouldnt fret over it. the problem honestly is with the women who do those extras
    Well, IMHO, this is exactly what's driving the schism between super upscale top shelf "show clubs", and high mileage "sleaze clubs". The corporate owners of the top shelf "show clubs" are painting an image of themselves as well financed, well managed, 100% above board, respectable businessmen. The corporate owners are also painting a picture of "show club" dancers as intelligent, motivated, stunningly beautiful 'girls next door' who are pursuing college educations, and who are free of drugs, sex for money etc. - in other words "showgirls".

    By default, this paints the owners of high mileage "sleaze clubs" as de-facto pimps (often with implied ties to da boyz), and paints dancers who work in high mileage "sleaze clubs" as thieving, drug addicted whores.

    In the final analysis, the corporate 'show clubs' are going to have the financial clout, the positive PR, and the public perception of operating a 'show business' with respectable 'showgirls', to continue to operate without much interference from local politicians and residents. On the other hand, with every passing year the high mileage clubs draw more and more negative attention with every news report of a club prostitution bust, every dancer busted for drugs outside the club, every report of a clubowner being busted for 'payola', and the occasional dancer's body turning up in a dumpster etc. Practically speaking, there is simply no way that high mileage clubs and the dancers that work in them will ever be able to 'sell themselves' as part of a respectable business to local politicians and the majority of registered voters. Thus high mileage clubs and dancers should expect things to get worse not better from a standpoint of local politics.

    But the serious sad issue stemming from all of this is the future fate of dancers who cannot meet the hiring criteria of the top shelf 'show clubs', but who do not condone sex for money with club customers even though they are forced to work in high mileage 'sleaze' clubs. IMHO the 'middle of the road' clubs which used to be the mainstay for such dancers, if they haven't been closed down or converted to "sleaze clubs" already, are a rapidly dying breed. The pressures of poor profitability in the absence of dancers doing 'extras', plus the effects of actually trying to obey new anti-dance club laws, make the 'middle of the road' business model an impossible equation.
    Last edited by Melonie; 08-26-2005 at 04:01 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by threlayer
    And yet another example of why the whole industry is in big trouble.

    Well, I guess it is juat another lead for Scott Bergthold.
    I would rather have friendly laws than unfriendly laws... This issue will likely remain a state and even city issue. Some states will follow RI and some may follow Missouri. Unfortunately, our tax dollars are often wasted on attorneys like Bergthold. Once Bush is out of office and a Democrat is elected, I suspect this "conservative wave" to end and this anti-sc b.s. to subside.

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    There are so few cities that could support even a single high roller show club that discussing the conversion of the industry over to that model is only an academic exercise. I'll bet that only 2% of current clubs are like that, though they may pull in 5% of the net profits on average. And none of the current management has any concept or disposition to follow that model. What we have realistically is:
    most of these women are here for a quick buck and thats its, more than half are drug users
    And that attitude is allowed by the current workers to exist even in the new, impressionable workers. The knowledgable workers, those that understand the status and direction of the industry (probably less than 10% of the workers, that is dancers, dj's, waitresses, hostesses etc) would need to take it upon themselves, as a group, to educate, convert, radicalize, whatever it takes the others to change the industry over with penalty of ostracism and to stonewall the sleazy owners/managers who, as earlier described...
    ...the club manager turns a blind eye because she blows him for free...she would give anyone a blow job
    "Drop your pants, babe, I'm here to pay my hot VIP dues. You know, that dealer you hooked me up with charges way too much."

    ...this paints the owners of high mileage "sleaze clubs" as de-facto pimps (often with implied ties to da boyz), and paints dancers who work in high mileage "sleaze clubs" as thieving, drug addicted whores.
    It's gonna be hell to convert the public, ministers, politicians, LE etc over from that embedded picturesque impression, which to an extent is true. No PR job is going to paint over those often-true 'facts' of the current sleaze-ball industry. Change must come from the inside.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    I am from RI, no way would I ever dance there! Most of the clubs are sleazy! When I was in CT, there were girls that would do anything for money $$. I know that I didn't make as much as some girls that were giving extras. These girls would just go up to any guy, and ask for a dance. It sucks for girls who really are just trying to pay for college, and don't want to do extras. If anyone knows of a good classy club let me know!

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    "for example at a club my wife used to work at there was an overweight, ugly girl. but she made the most money, why?"

    Do you know for sure that is why she made the most money? I am an overweight dancer. Am I ugly? I'm not the one to judge. I've been in the "Top 5 Earners" at the last two clubs that I have worked at. Why? Because some guys like larger women. Granted we don't get the quantity of customers that Barbie Doll or Anorexia will get but those customers who we do get usually are big spenders, and thus why the Large Girls will sometimes do very well. This industry is really only maybe 60 or 70% looks. The rest is attitude and sales skills. A large girl with mad sales skills and a positive attitude will quite often blow a pretty "bitch" out of the water. So don't assume that just because a dancer is overweight that she is doing extras.

    So about the Rhode Island laws, is it really the wild wild west or what?
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    Umm..Foxey, why are you taking this so personal?? This is not about "You".. ok? This is not a gossip column for your info. - I was just wondering why all of a sudden guys are expecting SO MUCH for their dollar this year in our location. And my question was basicly; will it get worse within time?" Now, some girls have sex, give bjs,or hjs in the private rooms, AND OUT IN THE OPEN AT SOME BARS ALSO! which I feel is hurting our entire indusry. So, because the business is not like it has been through the past 8 years, Im on my way out. I have always been known as a great hustler, but I will not lie to a guy and tell him he will get a bj or sex in the CP room. I wont lie. I never had to lie before, And I always made awsome loot. So, because of the girls who are doing SO MUCH for their dollar.. the strip clubs (not all) but most, will be known for STD/HIV infective party houses 4 god sakes! lol ---ThankYou Melonie and SportsWriter2 for your input~

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    Hey Trouble, I was responding to something that TJandDani said in this thread, not to you. He/She/It said

    "for example at a club my wife used to work at there was an overweight, ugly girl. but she made the most money, why?"

    I responded to that comment. What's the problem?
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    Remembering when I fist started in this buisiness three years ago, you did not see as much. Within the last year, these activity has increased nearly 10 times.
    I figured, damn, if I got to do this to stay, I might as well be an escort.
    Bad move. Totally different world. Returned to SC business.
    Now, don't give extras at all anymore.
    Those other girls want to give extras, they can, ain't doing that no more.
    Still make good money, fair, not as much as those extra girls, but I do all right.
    Least next year I will be here and be clean.
    Those other girls be here too, but dead.

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    In this small metro area CCTV has been installed in almost all clubs in an effort to reduce 'extras' to insignificance. Seems to have worked, if you don't count grinding as an extra. Not familiar with other nearby cities to same extent. Generally video monitoring makes it tough to hide, though I can imagine it can still happen if the monitors are poorly placed or if no one is monitoring what is going, or coming.

    Problem is that prostitution is forced so far underground that it pops its head up surreptitiously in so many places. Like a squeezed balloon you can't pop. It's more reasonably tolerated in Canada which is not known as a sexually sleazy country, like Thailand or Costa Rica are. Maybe Canada could provide a better model for the US. I should say, one of many better models from Canada.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    I've Been In A Few Clubs, And I've Noticed That At Every Club There Are Dirty Girls....so It's Actually Not The Costumer As Much That "do What They Want With The Girls"..it's Actually Girls Who Let Them Do It. I've Seen A Lot Of Dirty Stuff Going On In The Champagne Room At My Club, I've Been Through It Myself, But So Far I Had No Trouble With Agressive Costumers, Except The One Who Was Pulling On My Hair Like He Crazy While I Was Dancing...as Long As You Can Say No When They Try To Do Something That's Against The Rules Or You Don't Want Them To Do...

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