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    San Antonio city council has no idea of the doors they've opened.

    http://woai.com/news/local/story.asp...2-EA7AA5CF1A51

    SA Strippers to Put it All Back On
    LAST UPDATE: 8/25/2005 3:25:53 PM
    Posted By: Jim Forsyth
    This story is available on your cell phone at mobile.woai.com. San Antonio strippers and strip clubs are throwing in the towel by throwing on the towel, and ending their three year long legal fight against the city, 1200 WOAI news reported exclusively this morning.

    Jim DeeGear, who has represented six prominent strip clubs and two strippers in a challenge to the controversial 'human display ordinance' that restricts activity in topless clubs says his clients have agreed to no longer be topless in exchange for falling outside the restrictions of the law.

    "They will wear pasties or the modern day equivalent of pasties," DeeGear told 1200 WOAI's Bud Little. "They will not be topless."

    DeeGear says by covering up their breasts, the dancers at the clubs will not be covered by the human display ordinance, which bans lap and table dancing, restricts the distance the dancers must keep between themselves and the customers, and restricts private rooms and other activities.

    "The bottom line is that it makes more business sense for my clients to switch than to fight. That means the battle is over. The city has won this round," DeeGear said.

    Since they won't be covered under the human display ordinance, the dancers will be able to touch customers, perform dances at their tables, and perform other activities short of sexual activities, which are regulated by other ordinances.

    It also means the strippers will not have to register with the city and wear the infamous 'stripper badges' which caused so much controversy. The strip club managers and the clubs themselves will also not have to register.

    Restrictions on table and lap dancing threatened the livelihood of the dancers, many of whom pay the clubs for the permission to work there, and make all of their money in tips from lap and table dances. Strippers were finding tip money fading as they attempted to conform to the new laws. One told 1200 WOAI news that it's more profitable for a dancer with pasties to perform a lap dance than for a topless dancer to stay three feet away from client


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    Default Re: San Antonio aka "Baby Houston"

    When they first introduced "pasties" here (latex), everyone thought it was the end of the world too, but a year and a half later, I hardly notice them anymore.

    The customers will get used to the changes. Esspecially if grindier and dirtier dances are involved.
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    grindier and dirtier dances are involved.

    Is this what it all means?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stipperella
    grindier and dirtier dances are involved.

    Is this what it all means?
    Absolutely ! Less and less 'show business', more and more 'sex business'.

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    Yup. Its all going to be in the shitter in SA soon. Too bad, there is some decent money to be made there.

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    I dunno, sounds like it might actually be for the better. If girls can legally do a lapdance, they don't have to resort to extras to make money. It's not like what happened in Houston at all IMO. Houston enacted the distance rule, which apparently isn't happening in SA. I'd be jumping up and down with this news if I were an SA dancer. To be actually told that lapdances and touching customers is legal! Hell yeah! Custies have no reason to stop spending - they can still get a good lap.

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    Bridgette, I can't speak for the rest of the clubs in SAT, but at the two I've worked at regularly, grinding is considered an extra and a smart, sexy dancer can make $$$ with little-to-nil action. Now that it is legal, the dancers who were doing it before can now do it out in the open without fear of getting busted from management. This will put pressure on those who didn't do it before, and "up the ante" for those who did.

    That's what I mean by "Baby Houston". Pasties aren't the problem, as suggested earlier. It's the ah, freedoms that come with wearing pasties that are going to be the issue.

    One good thing though - no registering!!


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    Hmm, I guess I was thinking there was already alot of standard lapdancing going on in SAT. Are you saying alot of girls were making money airdancing until now? Or just not grinding? Also, I'm sure most custies are aware some girls are more "friendly" than others. I can see how the "friendly" girls being able to grind heavily in the open might put some pressure on girls who don't, but considering you can still do a decent lapdance without heavy grinding, and there's no threat of getting busted for a regular lapdance, it can't be all bad. It certainly eliminates the need for extras (more than grinding), which IMO alleviates alot of pressure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amethyst
    Bridgette, I can't speak for the rest of the clubs in SAT, but at the two I've worked at regularly, grinding is considered an extra and a smart, sexy dancer can make $$$ with little-to-nil action.
    B, I think this quote summed up what Amethyst was saying. My own personal experience in San Antonio has been quite the opposite...at least I wouldn't consider contact to be "light" at the places I've been in (Sugars and Centerfolds most recently...Tiffany's in the distant past)...and actually, again just my personal experience, I generally placed San Antonio just below Houston in terms of just mileage.

    In any case, should be interesting to see how this all shakes out. Seems kind of funny that just a thin layer of "latex" makes it okay to do standard lap dances.
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    Another one bites the dust...

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    So dancers DON'T have to register and wear tags if they are wearing latex on the nipples? I'm confused now.

    From my experience at the Palace, grinding does go on in the back area and in the skybox. Management asks you to watch the heavy contact in the showbar area because of the cops, not because they actually give a shit about that going on. They don't have any goons monitoring the grinding levels or anything. Its definately NOT anywhere near Houston level though.

    Please update on the licensing situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine
    Its definately NOT anywhere near Houston level though...
    ...at the Palace (unless your speaking about other places as well) which is one of the more "high end" clubs in SA. And by the way, I should have qualified my statement comparing Houston to SA to say that it was only the mileage (lots of two-way contact, heavy grinding, etc.) that I felt was close to the same (based on my personal experience)...not necessarily the availability of the more hardcore extras. On that (the extras) I would agree SA is nowhere near Houston in terms of ease and availability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette
    Hmm, I guess I was thinking there was already alot of standard lapdancing going on in SAT. Are you saying alot of girls were making money airdancing until now? Or just not grinding? Also, I'm sure most custies are aware some girls are more "friendly" than others. I can see how the "friendly" girls being able to grind heavily in the open might put some pressure on girls who don't, but considering you can still do a decent lapdance without heavy grinding, and there's no threat of getting busted for a regular lapdance, it can't be all bad. It certainly eliminates the need for extras (more than grinding), which IMO alleviates alot of pressure.
    Oh, there is "standard" lapdancing going on in SAT, but at the two clubs I work at (Allstars & the Palace), it's considered more of an extra, because 1). Not everyone does it and 2). When and if it is done, it's not done out in the open.

    Now that there is no 3-foot rule, dancers who were afraid of getting caught by management before are no longer concerned with it, so they will be doing it out in the open, and more customers will see it and expect it, thus further affecting the money of the non-contact dancers.


    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine
    So dancers DON'T have to register and wear tags if they are wearing latex on the nipples? I'm confused now.

    From my experience at the Palace, grinding does go on in the back area and in the skybox. Management asks you to watch the heavy contact in the showbar area because of the cops, not because they actually give a shit about that going on. They don't have any goons monitoring the grinding levels or anything. Its definately NOT anywhere near Houston level though.

    Please update on the licensing situation.
    Hey Katrine!

    Correct - since all clubs (except for XTC and the other nude one) are going "latex", dancers are not required to register, wear dog tags, or adhere to the 3-foot rule - at all. To date, exactly one stripper has needlessly registered (I believe it's a girl I work with).


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    So if she registers, she doesn't have to wear latex? Heh, I might register in that case as well. If you're registered, do you have to adhere to the 3' rule?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette
    So if she registers, she doesn't have to wear latex? Heh, I might register in that case as well. If you're registered, do you have to adhere to the 3' rule?
    I would imagine if you're latex-free you are legally topless and therefore have to stay 3' away.

    Latex is stupid. I can't believe it is a legal option for making boobs covered. It itches and peels and looks bad. I think the options should be 1) Bikinis 2) Topless 3) Nude.

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    Here was another related article that pretty much answers the last two posts by B and Susan:

    Topless clubs hope to dance past city ordinance
    Web Posted: 08/26/2005 12:36 AM CDT

    Guillermo Contreras
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    Just how much skin do you have to show to be nude? Or, for that matter, semi-nude?

    Beginning in early September, most strip club dancers in San Antonio will be using pasties to find out.

    But to avoid the long arm of the law, the accessories must cover enough, um, anatomy so that the entertainers would be exempt from the city's controversial human display ordinance.

    The city's eight major topless clubs are planning to have their entertainers wear "the modern-day equivalent of pasties" to cover their breasts and less-revealing underwear so the dancers will not have to apply for and wear permit ID badges, as required by the recently amended ordinance, said Jim Deegear, a lawyer representing the clubs.

    By wearing pasties, exotic dancers might be able to sidestep the permit process, provided they would be covered up sufficiently so the venues they perform in would not be considered "human display" establishments, Deegear said Thursday.

    The move could put to rest a long-running struggle between the city and so-called gentlemen's clubs over an ordinance governing strippers.

    "They're tired of fighting," Deegear said of the topless clubs. "We concede. The city wins."

    Deegear said some dancers have left the city or left the business because of dwindling cash flow caused by the ordinance's impact. He also noted the city spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in the suit, and his clients also racked up large legal bills.

    "Everybody's been hemorrhaging money on this, and we decided to try this out and see how it works," Deegear said.

    The announcement by the clubs comes two weeks before the city's human display ordinance kicks in Sept. 8, which would force dancers and other employees at cabarets to wear ID badges to keep offering semi-nude entertainment. The announcement also means the clubs and managers would not have to apply for the permits.

    But William "Mick" McKamie, a lawyer who defended the city against a federal lawsuit filed by the clubs, said the dancers must be covered up enough to be exempt, and they still must abide by state law that restricts public lewdness, indecent exposure and similar offenses.

    "If they don't meet the definition of semi-nude, this ordinance doesn't regulate them," McKamie said. Ultimately, he added, it could be a judge that decides how much skin pasties must cover.

    If the ordinance doesn't apply to them, dancers would be able to touch customers, perform table dances and other activities short of illegal sexual touching.

    "My clients still have to observe state law regarding inappropriate sexual touching," Deegear said. "Other than that, the ordinance will no longer apply, so we'll observe all the state law and try to get along with everybody the way the city originally intended."

    McKamie said a dancer would still be semi-nude if the pasties are too small or revealing, and that bikini tops may be needed to overcome the definition of "semi-nude." He also stressed that the ordinance defines nude in such a way that it would require dancers to wear less-revealing underwear to be exempt from the ordinance.

    The real question, McKamie said, is whether pasties cover enough skin to avoid the "semi-nude" threshold.

    The topless clubs, which sued the city claiming the ordinance was unconstitutional, reached a settlement earlier this year with the city. As part of the deal, the city got much of what it sought when it originally passed the ordinance in April 2003.

    Under the deal, nude dancing is banned, and dancers cannot perform semi-nude unless they are at least three feet away from a customer. Small, locked or obstructed VIP rooms are also banned.

    "There's no new agreement," McKamie added. "This ordinance is enforceable and will be enforced."

    Deegear said the city's two clubs that offer nude dancing plan to apply for permits and abide by other provisions of the ordinance, including the three-foot rule.

    As of Thursday, 10 dancers and three managers had obtained their permit IDs, according to a San Antonio police spokesman.

    In related action, 30 to 40 citations issued for dancing nude were disposed of with plea bargains last week. In exchange for no-contest pleas, dancers who committed the infractions were given deferred adjudication for 90 days and fined $150 each, Deegear said.
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    covered up enough

    Very fuzzy legal term. Just hope the SDs wear is loose enough to slip the hands......

    So, if you wear pasties or stickers then you can grind your customer to death?

    What about dancers covered in mud? Can I touch them?

    The option of wearing the I.D. still on?
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    What about the bottom? can you still wear a thong or does it have to be full bottom? i don't get that part.

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    Yeah the "covered enough" and "less revealing underwear" parts aren't exactly specific. Surely they aren't planning to leave it that vague? Talk about opening up all kinds of bullshit bust opportunities

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    Haven't heard much more on it (because I haven't been working lol), but from what I know:

    No thongs, but "half-backs", tangas, "booty shorts" and the like are okay.

    Clubs have actually made "latex" mandatory, so that each club is no longer a sexually oriented business, thus not required to follow the 3-foot rule, etc...


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