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    Hello :-)

    I am thinking of how in most if not all places, male or female dancers at strip clubs of all types from down to bikini (thong if male) or total nudity may get in trouble for prostitution if they have intimate contact, giving or receiving, with a customer and will definitely get in trouble for prostitution if they have sexual relations with a customer.

    I'm also thinking of how if a person invites friends to their private residence, dances for them and has intimate contact or sexual relations with them, it is not illegal as long as they don't charge anything.

    My question is what would a strip club have to do to be seen by the law as inviting friends to a private residence other than the obvious refunding a cover charge if any and not taking tips or other money that could be considered payment for sex?

    The reason I ask is that I have decided that my two main female characters that I created a few years ago are Autagonistophiliacs* who own a strip club and are themselves dancers at the club

    The whole thing's a fantasy anyway, but I still wanna keep some semblance of reality.

    *Autagonistophilia - Arousal from being on stage, being in front of a camera or in the public eye

    I like to think that one does her routine to Bob Seger's Her Strut an the other to Don Henly's All She wants To Do Is Dance :-)

    Take care! *Hope to hear from you soon! *Wuff!

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    Default Re: ? concerning the laws about strip clubs

    Pretty much most places have laws on the book against sex in front of other people. Swingers get busted all the time in "private residences" usually only having sex with their respective spouses.

    Hell, those two guys down in Texas got hauled off to jail for having sex in their own bedroom! Then they had to go to the Supreme Court to get their "crime" overturned!

    So in most places in the USA if you have sex with anyone besides your own spouse quietly in your own home, then there is probably a law on the books that you can get arressted for breaking.


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    Default Re: ? concerning the laws about strip clubs

    My question is what would a strip club have to do to be seen by the law as inviting friends to a private residence other than the obvious refunding a cover charge if any and not taking tips or other money that could be considered payment for sex?
    The obvious answer ... do not allow dancers to accept tips/cash from club customers, and the club must keep 100% of any money paid by customers for private dances without sharing any of it with the dancers. This of course leaves dancers as 'club employees' who would get no extra pay whatsoever regardless of the number of private dances they must perform. In this way, since a dancer choosing to give a customer a HJ, BJ or FS would not involve any 'money exchange' between dancer and customer or any additional income to the dancer above and beyond her normal hourly pay rate, it would eliminate the "in exchange for money" aspect necessary for convictions under prostitution laws.

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    Default Re: ? concerning the laws about strip clubs

    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    The obvious answer ... the club must keep 100% of any money paid by customers for private dances ... In this way, since a dancer choosing to give a customer a HJ, BJ or FS would not involve any 'money exchange' between dancer and customer or any additional income to the dancer above and beyond her normal hourly pay rate, it would eliminate the "in exchange for money" aspect necessary for convictions under prostitution laws.
    This aspect may be true as a technical loophole, but it is still sex in a public place and public lewdness is still a crime, though maybe only a misdemeanor. But it varies by locality.

    Hmmmm. Just thought of an escape to this. The dancer-employee and her prey, err customer, would have to rent the dance closet (VIP or champagne room) out and latch the door. The hotel/motel provision.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    GLAD TO SEE THE "SECONDARY EFFECTS" THEORIES OF THE ENEMIES REFUTED BUY A FAIR JUDGE!!!

    Judge says new law restricting Missouri strip clubs unconstitutional

    JEFF DOUGLAS

    Associated Press


    KANSAS CITY, Mo. - A Cole County judge on Friday declared a state law that places strict new restrictions on strip clubs is unconstitutional.

    Circuit Judge Richard Callahan said provisions of the law, which was to go into effect Sunday, violate state constitutional limits on amending a bill beyond its original purpose, and First Amendment protections of nude dancing.

    "The state may not limit persons of majority age from engaging in lawful expressive conduct protected by the 1st Amendment of the United States Constitution without a substantial and direct connection to adverse secondary effects, a showing that has not been made," Callahan said in the declaratory judgment.

    Under the law, signed in July by Gov. Matt Blunt, seminude lap dances would have been banned and dancers would have had to stay at least 10 feet from each other. A customer would have faced a misdemeanor charge for tucking a dollar bill into a dancer's G-string.

    The law also would have required all dancers and customers to be at least 21 years old. Current law sets the minimum age for dancers at 19.

    A dancer at Shady Lady Lounge in Kansas City who goes by the name Peaches said the new law would have cut her income in half. The 26-year-old cosmetology student said she would be hard-pressed to find a different job that gave her the flexibility she has as a topless dancer.

    "Show me another job that lets me work three days a week, go to school and support my children," she said.

    The bill's sponsor, Sen. Matt Bartle, R-Lee's Summit, said similar laws have been upheld in other states. He did not immediately return a call seeking comment on the judge's ruling Friday evening.

    "I react to what my constituents have asked for," Bartle said before the ruling. "I think smut shops in Missouri are incredibly destructive in people lives."

    The adult entertainment industry's attorneys claimed the law violates free-speech and expression rights under the First Amendment. They also argued that it violates state constitutional requirements that bills relate to one subject and remain tied to their original purpose.

    The subject of the bill that included the strip club restrictions was passed under the heading of "crime" after it initially was labeled as a bill for alcohol-related traffic offenses.

    Bartle gave fellow lawmakers 50 case studies that support his belief that strip clubs decrease surrounding property values and increase crime. He said the new law would reduce those negative effects.

    Richard Bryant, an attorney for the industry, said the studies were endorsed by religious groups and called them "bogus." He said a secondary impact study conducted a couple of years ago in Kansas City found that adult businesses did not increase crime or sink property values.

    The attorney general's office said it was reviewing Callahan's decision and didn't yet know what actions it might take.

    Strip club owners in St. Louis said many customers already drive across the river to Illinois, where restrictions have been less stringent for years, and the new law would only make things worse.

    "A lot of dancers are really scared," Peaches said. "It's a terrible and rotten thing to go through. I don't think our government cares one bit about the people in this industry."

    Joe Spinello, general manager of the Shady Lady, said the restrictions probably would have forced him to cut staff. Spinello said clubs hurt most by law would be ones that rely on customers and employees who are under 21.

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    Strip club bill is HB972; court case is 05AC-CC00682 in Cole County.

    On the Net:

    Legislature: http://www.moga.state.mo.us

    Case tracker: http://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/base/welcome.do

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    Hmmmm. Just thought of an escape to this. The dancer-employee and her prey, err customer, would have to rent the dance closet (VIP or champagne room) out and latch the door. The hotel/motel provision
    You're correct. Under the Supreme Court's Texas Sodomy Case ruling, this would be exempt ... providing that the club fulfilled other requirements making them a 'hotel' from a legal standpoint. This would also ban all surveillance and security from VIP rooms. However if the girl accepted cash from the customer during their 'private mutually consentual meeting' she could still be busted for prostitution.

    But somehow I don't think the fact that dancers can avoid being busted by volunteering to have sex with club customers without receiving extra money/pay, and without security protection, is going to be a big selling point !

    "A lot of dancers are really scared," Peaches said. "It's a terrible and rotten thing to go through. I don't think our government cares one bit about the people in this industry."
    There you go ! Actually, this bill was doomed from the beginning because of the fact that it was "unconstitutionally" attached to a drunk driving bill rather than being put forth and voted on as a separate issue.

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