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    My club's been infiltrated with undercover cops lately. There are always rumors of their presence but last week I ended up chatting one up for over 15 minutes. He was trying to get as much dirt about the girls and the club as possible, while pretending to really really want to get alot of dances with me. The only thing I said to implicate myself was that he must tip extra if he doesn't want an air dance. Technically this is soliciting, which means that all the girls can get arrested at any time! This is just the standard at the club I'm at. Then, this guy, whom I did notice seemed very distracted while talking to me, stated he was going to the ATM to get cash out, bolted out of his seat and past the ATM to the back booths where only the girls & their custies or the staff are allowed to go. At that moment, I had no clue what was going on, got a bad feeling and just went to the dressing room. Turns out he was one of the cops who had arrested my friend! Everyone was panicked and it was very very scary that I could have been the next in line. Apparently, the club owner doesn't have the best of relations with police, as girls have been arrested in the past for ridiculously petty technicalities, while just down the road outside you can see gangs of street hookers. Any advice from girls who've dealt with vice?

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    I hate vice. It always makes me nervous to do my job on fear of being arrested/ticketed for something stupid, such as standing too close (even if it is just an extra foot). 6ft rule here.

    My advice is when in doubt that the person is shady - he probably is. Next time someone starts asking you who is dirty and what not (since you said they can arrest everyone at the same time) and if they are not intending or buying a dance from you - walk and just excuse yourself.

    I havent had a vice scare yet but dont look forward to it - eventhough they come in all the time.
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    While the vice cops suck...the most important thing you can do is know your local laws, rules/regs and ordinances and stick with them. Doing what the "other girls" do will only get you arrested.

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    Sounds likes its time for a dancer meeting and no one discuss anything with anyone.

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    These vice cops are a bunch of pansies when they go after dancers, hookers, or johns. No courage is required when busting any one of these people.
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    No courage is required when busting any one of these people.
    Well for many city councilmen, DA's and cops, that's the entire point. Busting dancers in the first place creates positive political publicity, and presents zero risk to the cops making the busts. In court, busted dancers represent extremely little risk of appeal (which would cost the city money and cost the cops and DA embarrassment), and an extremely high probability of coughing up large fines to supplement the city/court budget.

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    Get the hell out of there and find another club where the owner isn't in trouble with the cops.

    If an owner has GOOD relations with the cops, girls can give head on stage and not get busted. If the owner has BAD relations with the cops, you can get busted wearing a short skirt in the club....

    Get the hell out of there. Today.

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    You know a job as a vice cop is not a bad deal they must having men lineing up to do that. Your assiment is tonight to go club hopping and get lapdances and couse havak in the club and its all on us. I think the cops needed to be fighting real crimes. Worrying about the distance of my crouch to a mans lap is not exacty keeping my children safe.

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    First off you need to pack your stuff and head strait for the door.Find yourself a new club because this one is only going to lead to trouble,drama,and stress.Don't try to tell yourself that there isn't another club,taking a pay cut is much better than spending the night in jail,having to pay to be bailed out,and having that follow you around for the rest of your life.
    If someone is actting shaddy odds are they are.If someone starts asking personal questions about the other girls just say that your new and you don't know.Or tell them that you don't socialize with them and you don't know,then quickly change the subject.If they don't take those answers walk away.Never stay in a situation that makes you uncomfortable.

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    Ask yourself the following question ... "does it matter to you whether you have a misdemeanor charge on your permanent record ?". If the answer is yes, then get the hell out of that club immediately.

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    "Get the hell out of this club immediately..." I was dreading this because I always wonder if it's any better elsewhere, or possibly worse as far as having to go through the new dancer period and, what if the managers are dickheads...

    Sigh...you ladies are right though, this club has a bad track record of dancer arrests. The flip side is that we all bank big time on the dances. I've never been arrested before and I'm one of those strippers whom not even my friends and family know what I'm doing because it would shock the hell out of them. Personally, having a criminal record for prostitution leaves no room for redemption, even if it was for something technical.

    It IS time to move on perhaps. I'm soooo stressed out about trying to fit in a new club I don't even know how to go about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by susan
    Get the hell out of there and find another club where the owner isn't in trouble with the cops.

    If an owner has GOOD relations with the cops, girls can give head on stage and not get busted. If the owner has BAD relations with the cops, you can get busted wearing a short skirt in the club....

    Get the hell out of there. Today.
    AH, this is SO TRUE. Several friends of mine are cops and they all go to the clubs while off duty. The Police Chief and club owners all golf together, needless to say if there ever was a 6 foot rule etc. on the books, enforcement still wouldn't take place. Their mentality is there are far greater taxpayer concerns than issues like this.

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    Sigh...you ladies are right though, this club has a bad track record of dancer arrests. The flip side is that we all bank big time on the dances. I've never been arrested before and I'm one of those strippers whom not even my friends and family know what I'm doing because it would shock the hell out of them. Personally, having a criminal record for prostitution leaves no room for redemption, even if it was for something technical.
    Increasingly, this is becoming the modern day dilemma that most dancers must face ... balancing the ability to earn big bucks against the very real risk of taking a misdemeanor bust at some point for doing what's necessary in order to earn those big bucks.

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    Get the hell out of that club now. Vice can give you a ticket for pretty much anything, because the laws regarding lap dancing tend to be so vague... honestly, if Vice comes in while I am working, which happens like four times a year, I just cut my losses and either sit at the bar til they go away.....I won't even go on stage... or just suck it up and go home. I'm not going to risk getting arrested to work on a given night. It sounds like your boss/club owners really ticked off the cops. The cop you got was actually cool, because he could have arrested you for making that "air dancing" comment, which is RETARDED but it is reality

    I wish these cops would spend more time getting... I don't know...rapists and murderers, not friggin young women trying to make a buck!

    Honestly, vice can construe anything you say as solicitation.... from "Oh, I can give a more "intimate" dance to you can touch me to blah blah blah" They can also bust you if a customer touches you, which is absurd because how can you control what another person does?

    GRRRRRR

    *doesn't like vice*

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    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess
    While the vice cops suck...the most important thing you can do is know your local laws, rules/regs and ordinances and stick with them. Doing what the "other girls" do will only get you arrested.
    Exactly. That advice should be be posted on a big giant flashing sign in every club dressingroom.

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    what really sucks is that most bail agencies won't post bonds for prostitution charges, including petty dancer violations. The reason is that most ho's jump bail, head to the next city and say fuck the court date. so the bondsman is out his $$. this makes your situation just that much less appealing.
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    As long as you know and follow you state and local laws vice shouldnt be a problem. Ive never had anything to do with them, just an opinion...
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    when i was in the lockup we had a "flush alert" system.... whenever watch got cranky, the first to notice would pass the word to hide all contraband and act angelic. maybe this needs to be instituted in clubs....
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    We have a watch system, like posted above. Our club owner owns four other clubs in the area, two of them also strip clubs, so if one gets busted, the others get a call right away. One of our clubs got ticketed last Thursday for violating the smoking ban here in Columbus, and our club was called immediatly so we could have our customers stop smoking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess
    While the vice cops suck...the most important thing you can do is know your local laws, rules/regs and ordinances and stick with them. Doing what the "other girls" do will only get you arrested.
    Extremely naive. In some locations it doesn't matter what you have or have not done, you will go to jail just for showing up to work. They let the judge sort it out in the morning.
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    when in doubt give a different stage name . Alot of times they keep asking your schedule and name over and over. They are on a budget so usuaslly only get 1 or 2 dances so they can bust as many girls as possible.

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    In some areas, the raids are timed simeltaneously so there can be no "run and tell" person to warn anyone else. (Then the cops would miss out on fine money. And getting to paw cuffed dancers.)
    The line from Steve Miller's "Take the Money and Run" popped into my head- "the sherriff...makes his living on other people's taxes"...that's where it's at. They please the electorate & fill the city coffers at the same time.
    Ok enough ranting. My only tip is that I never verbally verify anything with a custie- it turns into a "wink, wink, nudge nudge" game. I know I've lost money this way, but I wouldn't dare making a verbal assent.

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    what really sucks is that most bail agencies won't post bonds for prostitution charges, including petty dancer violations. The reason is that most ho's jump bail, head to the next city and say fuck the court date. so the bondsman is out his $$. this makes your situation just that much less appealing.
    Yup, this is absolutely the case for ALL 'national' bail-bond companies and most local ones too. This basically leaves busted dancers in the position of either ...
    A. already having saved and set aside $500+ in cash, and left it with a trustworthy person who can come down to the slammer and post bail in the middle of the night , or ...
    B. accept a plea bargain deal offered by the clubowner and club attorney, where the club will post bail and the club's attorney will handle your case in exchange for you accepting a plea bargain rather than pleading innocent and taking your case to trial.

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    i'm scared of cops, but not just tickets or fines. i'm more scared they may try and use their power to harm me (ex: rape, molestation).
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    Quote Originally Posted by toxicgirl
    i'm scared of cops, but not just tickets or fines. i'm more scared they may try and use their power to harm me (ex: rape, molestation).
    That's rather unlikely, actually. What's more likely to happen is a little 'negotiation' i.e. you do him a favor and he'll do you a favor. What's also likely to happen ... after the fact ... is that increased police attention will also be directed towards your house, your friends etc (based on the stereotype that all 'strippers' are drug abusing, thieving whores don't you know).

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