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    Well, the Ontario Government has officially become retarded. The pitbull ban has taken effect despite the recommendations of every organziation and association that has any expertise in the biology/psychology of dogs, and despite the statistics that dhwo pitbuls are not responsible for more than their fair share of dog bites. My favourite part was during the "campaign" in which they actually just MADE UP statistics. Like literally, just invented them, and then when anyone asked where they got their numbers (because there is nobody in Canada who has similar numbers) they said the political equivalent of "uhhh, Shut up!" They also literally refused to hear from experts from the Onatrio Veterinarian's Association to zoologists from prominent American Universites all of whom were saying "you know, we would be happy to consult with you on this, because you have it ALL wrong." They refsued to meet with tle. Their panel of experts? A bunch of people who had been mauled by pitbulls.

    Honestly, I love pitbulls. Both my roommates have pitbulls or crosses and I've done pitbull rescue in the past. But really, it's not the ban so much as the sheer stupidity that is driving it that is bugin me so much. I cannot STAND just the blatant idiocy - the government has created this stupid, displaced fear "Oh, we'll all sleep so much safer in our little beds at night once the pitbulls have been banned" (as if) and then is shoving it's fingers in it's ears going "la la la, I can't hear you" when anyone tries to reason with it. Oh - the best part? Similar laws have been difficult to inforce because of the ntorious difficulty in actually IDENTIFYING what a pitbull or pitbull cross is - so the law applies to any dog that LOOKS like a pitbull. You could have a bloody bullmastiff and they could be like "OH well, it has "Bull" in the name, and has kind of pitty head..." Just. God.

    Now I have a question - I know that Clayton Ruby has been retained to fight the law. I can't however, find any information on what grounds they intend to fight it. They are saying that they are fighting on constitutional grounds - but that sounds equally stupid. Dogs are not protected under the Charter. Any ideas?

    By the way, if anyone wants to donate to the pitbully cause: http://www.bannedaid.com/
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    I love PitBulls...I have one and he's the best dog I've ever had...Theyre illegal in S Florida, and commisioners are talking about imposing a ban in my county on the ownership/sale/breeding of them too....Ill move where i can have my baby!

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    Gameness in APBT's is a canine virtue that is most akin to the human virtue of unflagging courage. It is a determination to master any situation and never back down out of fear. It was developed in pit bulls by many generations of selective breeding. It is what allows a pit bull to keep fighting non-stop for two or more hours, in spite of broken bones, torn muscles, blood loss, dehydration, and exhaustion.
    So you want to own a dog that has been selectively breeded to fight, and you dont know why they have banned them? Come on now.

    The dogs are dangerous and untrustworthy. If they were trustworthy, those traits that make them so unique that have been mentioned in the above quote, would make them excellent police dogs.

    I've never met a pit bull I liked, they always watch you like they are ready to attack. I'm sorry its not cool to goto someones house and not move too quickly due to the fact the dog may attack.

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    I am generally not a dog lover, and i don't really care for pitbulls drooling all over me when I'm in the elevator. But they also said that no new pitbulls will be allowed! Does this mean every pregnant pittbull mother will have an abortion? that's so sad!

    Poor little puppies, it's not their fault... These dogs wouldn't be dangerous if they were taken care of properly, but that's the same as saying that there would never be any car accidents if everyone followed the laws. There will never be a day when everyone will learn, and the world will continue to be held up by dumbasses...

    But I feel really bad for all the poor puppies that will have to be put down....

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    Oh, thank you TJ, for informing me of that. I had never heard before that pitbulls are bred to fight.
    I have fostered pitbulls - I had one with aggression problems. He was put down, as would any dgo whose history we didn't know who exhibited such traits. I live with two pitbulls (my own dog is a chihuahua.) I have met many a pitbull that I like.

    So you know - Staff terriers (the main component of pitbulls) were nanny dogs in England. Pitbulls are descended from Staffs, which were bred from bulldogs and mastiffs - none of these dogs are known for violence. Even when they were bred for fighting, they were bred to be very trainable - because nobody wanted the dogs to attack humans. One of the reasons pitbulls became such popular pets is because they couuld distinguish so effectively between when it was appropriate to fight - they wouldn't do it on the street for example. The last thing that pitbulls are is unpredictable. In fact they (as well as rotties) are very popular as therapy dogs (I've trained two as therapy dogs myself).

    And - I know logic tends to fly out the window when dealing with this issue for some reason (for the life of me I can't figure out why people are so irrational and unwilling to listen to reason about this) - but if you think about it, nearly all dogs have been bred for some form of aggression - yorkshire terriers were bred to kill rats. Border Collies were bred to herd - and anyone who has been near a dog ought to know that the herding dogs are by far the dogs with the most dominance issues - which means they bite, a lot, especially children. Labradors and German Shepherds are responsible for an overwhelming number of dog bites and attacks - even taking into consideration that they are the most popular dog. There is no reason to believe that pitbulls are more dangerous than any other dog.

    As for them watching you waiting to attack - that's just nonsense. You're thinking of cats.
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    Pitbulls are not illegal in South Florida.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DancerNTampa
    I love PitBulls...I have one and he's the best dog I've ever had...Theyre illegal in S Florida, and commisioners are talking about imposing a ban in my county on the ownership/sale/breeding of them too....Ill move where i can have my baby!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    Oh, thank you TJ, for informing me of that. I had never heard before that pitbulls are bred to fight.
    Ok lets try this:

    the general public has apprehension towards sex offenders, they have to alert the entire neighborhood they are moving in. why dont we do that with pit bulls?

    i think it sounds fair, i mean a sex offender has paid his debt to society right? so that doesnt mean he/she will do it again right? so we can do that to pit bulls. I think it sounds completely fair.

    dont bother replying to me because the argument is pointless. it shows in your ability to write a paper on a topic that doesnt affect me too much beyond my pistol range if i see a pit bull coming towards me.

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    I am not going to be one here to beef up a pitbull terrier, but as the owner of 2 beautiful pits, these dogs many years ago were bred to fight each other in pits. Many years of breeding with the help of good stock has bred ALOT out of the breed.

    What we are seeing now mainly is people abuse towards these dogs.

    1) I want a MACHO MEAN dog....Sure get a pit.
    2) I want to make extra cash and fight my dog...it's a great fighter
    3) backyard fucks are still training a GOOD dog to fight.
    4) need i go on.

    There are NO bad dogs, just bad people.

    Many other breeds were bred to hunt and fight as well. These dogs simply don't have the strength of a pitbull terrier.

    This being said, Pitbulls are terriers...These dogs are naturally full of energy...So don't blame a dog because it was not in a social ring of people as a pup, or never went to obedience class, or got in the hands of a sick fuck who wants to own a pitbill just for the sake of owning a BAD DOG!

    This is insane......These dogs are not natural born killers....They need to be taught, and that can be as easy as rough playing with the dog or letting that cute pitbull pup bite and growl while he's so small.....Awwwww isn't that cute! Oh shit don't get me started about dog breeds, i know many breeds that are MUCH worse....they just don't have the size or strength to back up the bite.

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    Any dog can be trained to be vicious, maybe pit bulls are more inclined towards being so, however, why dont we just put down the owners who let them become this way, and put down the people that breed them for fighting? sounds like a better solution to me..


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    I know you said don't bother replying - but I can't help it. And again - one might think that if you have little enough interest in a topic to tell me to NOT reply, you might not post in the first place. That is a little mysterious to me.
    Anyway - 1) Pitbulls aren't sex offenders. 2) Neighbours aren't warned about sex offenders because they feel apprehensive. That would be the most hideous miscarriage of justice ever - like we are going to suspend your rights because of someone's apprehension. They are warned because sex offenders represent a demonstrated (mark the work demonstrated - as in provable and connected) danger to the community. 3) Are you serious? You would shoot a dog for walking in your direction? And you carry a gun around for this purpose? That makes you seem pretty psychotic and more dangerous than pitbulls, and for that matter, sex offenders.
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    Pitbulls are the backbone of the now extinct white terrier....That was the breed that gave these dogs stamina,i.e. running, jumping, hunting and a very fast breed that is good on it's feet. The Amstaffs. and bulldogs are in there, but they are very very docile dogs, never trained for speed, and targeting like the white terrier was.

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    Oh, thank you TJ, for informing me of that. I had never heard before that pitbulls are bred to fight.
    I have fostered pitbulls - I had one with aggression problems. He was put down, as would any dgo whose history we didn't know who exhibited such traits. I live with two pitbulls (my own dog is a chihuahua.) I have met many a pitbull that I like.

    So you know - Staff terriers (the main component of pitbulls) were nanny dogs in England. Pitbulls are descended from Staffs, which were bred from bulldogs and mastiffs - none of these dogs are known for violence. Even when they were bred for fighting, they were bred to be very trainable - because nobody wanted the dogs to attack humans. One of the reasons pitbulls became such popular pets is because they couuld distinguish so effectively between when it was appropriate to fight - they wouldn't do it on the street for example. The last thing that pitbulls are is unpredictable. In fact they (as well as rotties) are very popular as therapy dogs (I've trained two as therapy dogs myself).

    And - I know logic tends to fly out the window when dealing with this issue for some reason (for the life of me I can't figure out why people are so irrational and unwilling to listen to reason about this) - but if you think about it, nearly all dogs have been bred for some form of aggression - yorkshire terriers were bred to kill rats. Border Collies were bred to herd - and anyone who has been near a dog ought to know that the herding dogs are by far the dogs with the most dominance issues - which means they bite, a lot, especially children. Labradors and German Shepherds are responsible for an overwhelming number of dog bites and attacks - even taking into consideration that they are the most popular dog. There is no reason to believe that pitbulls are more dangerous than any other dog.

    As for them watching you waiting to attack - that's just nonsense. You're thinking of cats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    3) Are you serious? You would shoot a dog for walking in your direction? And you carry a gun around for this purpose? That makes you seem pretty psychotic and more dangerous than pitbulls, and for that matter, sex offenders.
    Yeah I figured you would say that, you took things literally just to prove your point. Which shows that you are ignorant to others views. If i shot dogs that walked in my direction I wouldnt be sitting in front of a computer in my apartment. I would be in jail. Be reasonable.

    And yes I have a CWP, I like it I have the right to bear arms(and legs sometimes) and I exercise that right. It has already helped out one pizza woman who was getting robbed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    They are warned because sex offenders represent a demonstrated (mark the work demonstrated - as in provable and connected) danger to the community.
    Right.
    You can't protect people against the possibility of harm. Sex offenders have proven themselves to be dangerous. A pit bull should not be discriminated against just because of the possibility it might do damage. In the event something does happen, it can be dealt with.
    This is ridiculous. It's like saying men over 6'4" can't live near petite women because they could cause serious damage.



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    Pitbulls are not illegal in South Florida.

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    Pit Bulls ARE illegal in DADE county...


    North Miami/Dade County: It is illegal in Miami-Dade County to own any dog which substantially conforms to a pit bull breed dog, unless it was specially registered with Miami-Dade County prior to 1989. Acquisition or keeping of a pit bull dog: $500.00 fine and County Court action to force the removal of the animal from Miami-Dade County. ONLY an Animal Services Investigator trained in pit bull identification will determine if the dog conforms to pit bull breed standards

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    Well i see what you put up, i guess call me one that got through the cracks, and many many of my friends too. There are Pitbull dog owners all over Miami. Watch Miami cops as well, you see them, and many owners get to take these dogs home if they don't turn them over to the authorities due to abuse, but seek care for these dogs. I came up from Miami, and lived there with my 2 pitbulls for years!!!

    I have friends there now who own these wonderful dogs!!!!! They are registered with county tags (rabies) and home insurance will kill you....But again, they are owned all over Miami. A law that is not completely enforced i see.

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    Well, let me know how theyre doing it...Im from Miami, too and would LOVE to go back..WITH my Otis

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    Hun just make a trip if you can and check out people walking their dogs around certain beaches.....These animals are clearly pitbull (as best the public can describe a pitbull) dogs. Mine are very clearly pitbull terriers! And they were registered with the county when i lived there!!!!! Now i am more up the coast, and all is cool here with pitbulls pretty much.

    Watch animal cops (which i love) on animal planet week nights if you can, they do Miami cops too, they have many pitbulls they rescue, and put through a process to see if these dogs can be placed! Of course this may have changed since i last watched it two months ago. Doubt it though.

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    Pit bull hysteria is just that. Hysteria. Simple minded people love to jump on bandwagons, and this is no different.

    First, let's see if people actually know what a Pit Bull is: http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html

    How many pictures did you click on before you got it right? Probably more than a few. I know dog breeds fairly well and it took me several tries. I'm guessing your local law enforcement is no different. Better hope you don't have a dog that even resembles a Pit Bull if this madness continues or you're going to lose your companion.

    Second, pit bulls aren't much more dangerous than any other breed of dog. Unfortunately the mainstream media nowadays is full of unethical ratings whores who peddle their wares to anyone gullible enough to believe it. Pit Bulls are just a convenient target right now. Other dogs attack, but those breeds just don't make for a splashy headline: http://www.understand-a-bull.com/BSL...llDogsBite.htm

    Once they've rid the country of these "evil" dogs, they'll be off to sensationalize and demonize their next victim. Maybe they'll turn on strippers next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JumbliesMan
    http://www.understand-a-bull.com/BSL...llDogsBite.htm

    Once they've rid the country of these "evil" dogs, they'll be off to sensationalize and demonize their next victim. Maybe they'll turn on strippers next.
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    Yea right^^^^^^ I was reading The Pit Bull Menace, and see that Miami has alot of pitbull problems still. Miami police my roomie says just use their judgement, and not very good at that it seems. One looked like nothing but a lab. Guess i just have never been turned in....and i know the city officials pretty good...hell i dated a police officer in Miami who knew my dogs. This whole fucked law thing has me confused.

    My dogs were registered in Miami actually! We have friends with Pitbulls in miami....i'm just not getting this whole law thing at this point.

    I never knew of this BAN i am reading online about, and see pits all the time walking with people. I am will guess it takes a complaint at this point for action....really.

    Alot of dog fights come out of dade i know this. But so does pet ownership of pits.
    Either way my roomie says i am wrong. He knew of the ban in South Fl. Well screw me....Nice of the fuckin VET. to let me know, or some official. I could have lost my dogs perhaps!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardkandee
    Beware. All strippers bite.

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    Pamela...

    At least youre not in Dade anymore...no chance of having your dogs taken away now...or getting a hellacious fine...

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    That websites pretty cool...I've owned APBTs all my life and it took me 4 tries to guess...

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    Yeah, I work at the SPCA and I couldn't get it, although those pictures are a little crappy...

    It's so sad really, we wind up putting so many of these animals down because of people's misconceptions towards the bully breeds. No one wants to adopt them, so they stay in the kennel so long that they get sick and have to be euthanized.

    There are only a few of us employed there who will even WALK the poor things.

    I myself had and amstaff and 2 pits, with my 2 small children. No worries. They were so loyal and loving, but unfortunately my landlord did not agree.

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    Jumblies and I want to someday build a home in the country with plenty of acreage that we can fence in, someplace where we'd be able to have lots of dogs. All the way from pugs to english bulldogs to rottweilers.

    We had a dog, Booger, that was part AmStaff, part Great Dane we think. She was just too big and playful for our little house in town so we gave the pooch to Jumblies' ex-boyfriend. She wasn't mean, she was just huge (110+ pounds) and didn't know her own strength.

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