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    Watching the images of total breakdown in New Orleans, the dead lying in the streets, and thousands and thousands of people who have been without water and food for days, I wonder, why is it taking so f*cking long to help them?

    I'm sending money into the Red Cross, Habitat for Humanity, but it doesn't feel like I'm doing enough. Does anybody else feel that way? What more can we do right now?

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    I cried so much when I saw the devastation on the news. All those people with nothing and nowhere to go. It makes me so sad I cant give more. I met my babys daddy in New Orleans. Itll never quite be the same.

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    I might be there next week, working. They're sending a lot of security officers from various govt sites here up there to do riot control and man the normal posts where they've lost staff.
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    Let the men do their work is honestly the only thing you can do. It's just like other times when there is a job to do people come out of the woodwork to help.

    Of course I'm sure we could go down there and set up a huge tent from some "morale boosting" shows.

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    They said it was going to be like the 9-11 cleanup...Dang, I feel so bad.
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    Help is getting there. Problem is that what is getting there isn't being distributed like it should be. There just seems to be much Chaos........

    But continue to give folks........it is going to be a long process for those in Mississippi and Lousiana.
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    I gave money today. That is what all the news orginzations are saying is needed most, so I emptied out my paypal account to United Way. Also many of the hotels in surrounding states are accepting donations to pay for lodging for evacuees who have no where else to go, and no jobs to go to and no savings left to live on.

    The other thing you can do is conserve fuel. I'm not going to work tonight because I can't find anyone to carpool with. I'm going tommorrow with two other girls who live in my area to save fuel.

    I am also getting set up to buy a deisel vehicle and having bio diesel delivered to a 275 gallon tank at my home. That should not only help relieve some pressure at the pumps but also help with toxic emissions. Besides, biodiesel is "only" $2.80 a gallon delivered here. And there are refueling stations all over the state of Oregon, so it is in ready supply here.

    I had planned to make the switch to Biodiesel and a deisel vehicle this winter anyway, I'm just stepping up my own personal schedule.

    Also take this opportunity to make sure you yourself are prepared for an emergency. Stock up on drinking water and canned goods. Make sure you have an emergency communication plan with friends and family. Maybe take the opportunity to learn how to use a weapon, or buy one if you don't already own one etc. It is our right as Americans citizens to bear arms, and with any major emergency you are on your own for personal safety.


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    It's so awful. The scariest part to me is the loss of order- people are now valuing others' lives less because there will be no punishment if they kill them. So, so scary.

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    I know it seems like wring a check isn't doing much, but at least with cash, the relief organization you donate to can get exactly what is needed.

    Not to rant, but all the Monday morning quarterbacking about the relief effort that I'm seeing with increasing frequency on television is really bugging me. Not that the authorities haven't bungled things, but there really isn't precedent for an ongoing disaster of this magnitude. Even 9/11 and the Tsunami were different sorts of beasts.

    I don't think the pictures on television are doing justice to how badly the infrastructure has been knocked out and how dire the situation is. Hopefully with the national guard coming in and restoring order, they've turned the corner on this thing.
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    My husband called from Iraq last night, they are all donating money from there as well.. we (as a family) gave a donation and I have been wondering the same thing.. why is it taking so long??

    As I am watching CNN now, I am just completely dumbfounded at the conditions there.. absolutely horrible..


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    RentWay is also matching dollar for dollar for every rental or sale that's made in any of their stores, nationwide. So if any of you feel like paying 4 times over what the stuff is worth... haha..

    I guess it's the thought that counts.

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    Now they are saying that they have ordered all young women off the streets because, they are being raped.. What is WRONG with these people?? I understand that everyone is panicked and grief ridden and etc.. but shooting people, and hurting others for what?? What purpose?? grrrrrr...


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    Yeah, I don't get that either, Gyn.. If my mood was a little worse than it is now, I'd be wishing they'd leave those people there, and save the good ones.

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    please tell me to shut my mouth if this sounds too stupid, but is the end of the world drawing near? i wonder. the jews being evacuated, 9-11, the war, the natural disasters, like katrina and the sunami, hunger and widespread aids in africa alone, not to mention the rest of the world infected with aids. and just the everyday violence you see on the news. i know it's not the first time we've seen tragedy, but it seems like how can it get any worse? a man in mississippi i think it was, shot his sister dead over a bag of ice! is this not completely insane?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gynger
    Now they are saying that they have ordered all young women off the streets because, they are being raped.. What is WRONG with these people?? I understand that everyone is panicked and grief ridden and etc.. but shooting people, and hurting others for what?? What purpose?? grrrrrr...

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    You're absolutely right. The world is going to shit, and it has been for a while now. I've given up on it pretty much, I'm just riding it out.

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    My heart goes out to everyone stuck in New Orleans especially after my boyfriend told me stories about citizens walking into stores begging for money (about $20) because they had no money for gas since the price went up again before the hurricane hit. Now there seems to be pure chaos down there, people are dieing, reporters are breaking down crying because they can't help the people in front of them dieing. I know I send out a silent prayer for the victims before I go to sleep each night.

    I know there a good portion of our oil refineries there by the coastline but i was also told about an oil reserve that was stashed away incase of an emergency. I know of there are people wondering whether or not President Bush is going to determine this an important enough crisis to tap into that supply to keep the prices down and what not. Have any of you heard further information on this?

    Its also going to be interesting to see what longterm damage the coastal states are going to endur because that whole area is below sea level (I believe), so any water that is there could possibly redefine the coastline?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sloppyjoe
    please tell me to shut my mouth if this sounds too stupid, but is the end of the world drawing near? i wonder. the jews being evacuated, 9-11, the war, the natural disasters, like katrina and the sunami, hunger and widespread aids in africa alone, not to mention the rest of the world infected with aids. and just the everyday violence you see on the news. i know it's not the first time we've seen tragedy, but it seems like how can it get any worse? a man in mississippi i think it was, shot his sister dead over a bag of ice! is this not completely insane?
    I don't like bringing this up either SJ.. but, I was raised highly religious, as my husband, (however, because of this forceful upbringing and shoving religion down both of our throats as children, we prefer to be spiritual but not necessarily religious) anyways, as I was talking with my husband last night, he brought up this very same thing. He asked me if the world was coming to an end. The guys in his unit have been watching CNN the last few days, some of the troops he is mixed with are from that region, they've had tv's set up everywhere.. and he was telling me that so many of them just can not believe the complete devestation that is going on right now, not to mention the raw sewage through the streets, the coffins from the cemetaries that have risen up from the flood of water, and the dead..

    I sometimes think that the world is coming to an end SJ when humanity is no longer present, when people kill eachother over a bag of ice, when the elderly and children are left to die and its every man for themself, and there is no order, no rationalization and everyone doing whatever they want based on the situation as if no laws apply.

    I'd like to believe that we, as americans will take care of our own, but after hearing the reports tonight and seeing the footage, reading the articles, I can't help but think that things are just going to get worse.


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    I'm sorry, I just read on here it will be lik 9-11 clean up.. Are fucking serious???? We're talking hundred plus miles just down the coast, that's not even inland.. 9-11 was a training class.. As far as the end of the world, well I'm one to perfer that it has always been coming.... That's just that, that doesn't say it will happen tomorrow, or these were the signs.. God works in mysterious ways, but I think I can awnser your question... Yes, yes the end is drawing near. You read a book, it doesn't matter if you're at the begining, middle, or last paragraph, the end will ALWAYS be drawing near...

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    I don't like bringing this up either SJ.. but, I was raised highly religious, as my husband, (however, because of this forceful upbringing and shoving religion down both of our throats as children, we prefer to be spiritual but not necessarily religious) anyways, as I was talking with my husband last night, he brought up this very same thing. He asked me if the world was coming to an end.
    I believe in things from my catholic upbringing (but don't call my self religious or go to church). This morning I said to my bf "maybe this is the end of the world approaching"....it's starting to feel that way with everything going on. I really hope as a few days go on things WILL improve and rescues will happen to anyone still stranded and food/water will get to people. I would like to think WE as a country can pull through this. The ugly violence that is taking over people, raping, stealing, killing....my god it's horrid. It may be cruel, but if the ones commiting sick vicious crimes should happen to lose their life, well....maybe that's a way to clear out the bad and save the good souls there.

    I know there a good portion of our oil refineries there by the coastline but i was also told about an oil reserve that was stashed away incase of an emergency. I know of there are people wondering whether or not President Bush is going to determine this an important enough crisis to tap into that supply to keep the prices down and what not. Have any of you heard further information on this?
    Yes, we are tapping into the reserves.......

    The Bush administration today agreed to release oil from emergency stockpiles as part of the recovery from Hurricane Katrina.


    The administration also moved to temporarily ease some pollution standards on gasoline and diesel fuel to avert shortages. The decision to tap the Strategic Petroleum Reserve is an effort to keep production of gasoline and other fuels steady. Even so, gas prices leaped nationwide.


    The oil reserves consist of some 700 million barrels of crude oil stored in underground salt caverns in Texas and Louisiana. The reserves were last tapped in September-October of 2004 during disruptions caused by Hurricane Ivan. -- Associated Press

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    Bush administration funding cuts forced federal engineers to delay improvements on the levees, floodgates and pumping stations that failed to protect New Orleans from Hurricane Katrina's floodwaters, agency documents showed on Thursday.

    The former head of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, the agency that handles the infrastructure of the nation's waterways, said the damage in New Orleans probably would have been much less extensive had flood-control efforts been fully funded






    Watching helplessly from afar, many citizens wondered whether rescue operations were hampered because almost one-third of the men and women of the Louisiana National Guard, and an even higher percentage of the Mississippi National Guard, were 7,000 miles away, fighting in Iraq. That's an even bigger loss than the raw numbers suggest because many of these part-time soldiers had to leave behind their full-time jobs in police and fire departments or their jobs as paramedics. Regardless of whether they wear public safety uniforms in civilian life, the guardsmen in Iraq are a crucial resource sorely missed during these early days, when hours have literally meant the difference between evacuation and inundation, between civic order and chaos, between life and death.

    What do we do ? Well, at this point all we can do is donate, pray and learn from the mistakes made.

    I think it is really important to understand how this situation was created and not allow these things to happen again.

    The government ( local, state and federal) can't just ignore the infrastructure and we the voters can't allow them to get away with it when they do.

    Think about this- if this is what happens when the nation has two days of advance warning, imagine the aftermath of a surprise attack using a chemical, biological or nuclear weapons

    So much for our President making us "safer here at home"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gynger
    Now they are saying that they have ordered all young women off the streets because, they are being raped.. What is WRONG with these people?? I understand that everyone is panicked and grief ridden and etc.. but shooting people, and hurting others for what?? What purpose?? grrrrrr...

    There are rapes and murders going on AT the stadiums also. There has been a reported 3-4 rapes and 4-5 murders every night. They were interviewing a doctor who feared for his safety so he left. I personally think he is a wimp, but maybe it really is that bad.

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    I think that businesses should get tax breaks for donating surplus stock of any & all needed items to victims of this tragedy, or selling items at cost to the people who need a break on price.

    I am wracked by this. One of the nicest guys I ever worked with was from Biloxi, MS. I think he is there right now- I know his family is. I wanted to work NOLA Mardi Gras but was talked out of it repeatedly. Now I'll never get the chance.

    Re: End Of The World- I am not good at math but I bet someone could come up with an equation explaining the Population of the Earth Plus Length of Recorded History Divided By Social Mores, Squared by Fear and Panic....OK, someone step up to that! LOL.

    During the Spanish Conquest of Mexico, Montezuma gave up the country because he felt the Conquest was preordained by astrological events- it was the end of the Aztecs' world. For most of the the 20th century, people were scared of Nuclear War. And imagine how people must have felt during the Black Plague in the Middle Ages! Life is scary, ever-changing and dangerous.

    I love my family too much to think the world is going to end. Even if we have to hide in the mountains and live like cavemen if these are indeed The End Times, I don't care. The point is NOT giving up and being scared. That's no life!

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    I am not a religious person, so I don't care to think about the world coming to an end.

    A wise person once said that civilization is only three hot meals away from total anarchy, and we're seeing that in New Orleans right now.

    As for me, I'm donating about $1000 to start with to the Red Cross and Habitat for Humanity. I've signed up for a "Women Build" clinic through Habitat so I can learn some tangible skills that can be put to good use in a disaster like this one.

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