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    question on how minorities are treated in topples vs nude clubs

    I've worked in the industry for 8 or 9 years on and off and have talked to many dancers about many things
    I've managed 3 clubs and have bounced at 6 and DJ'd at one. dancers have told me many things so most aspects of a dancers mentality I have a basic (not complete you are women after all) understanding of .
    Here is my question to you dancers .
    Over the years I've noticed a pattern among dancers at toppless bars toward minorities. with the exeption of toppless bars that target blacks or are black owned (there are always a few white girlz at those clubs) I've noticed that when blacks/latinoz are in most toppless bars they are avoided like the plauge , we are usually the last ones the dancers go to when making their rounds.
    But in contrast at totally nude SC's dancers will approach blacks/latinoz before anyone else.
    Now I dont think its racism because most of the toppless bars I've worked at about 40 - 50% of the dancers that were str8 had black boyfriends (the rest were either with bikers or old white guys) and many of the ones with black boyfriends were the ones that would dis da brothaz(walk past) during their shift . And at the totally nude barz I've seen guys get mad because the girlz were spending all their time with the brothaz/vatoz .
    now being that many dancers move around alot some of the same dancers are at both types of clubs.
    what I want to know is why do we get much luv at one and not the other ?
    Now I know all this is not etched in stone ,thats why I called it a pattern.
    And I know I get this based on clubs I'VE worked in but I've heard other guys wonder the same thing .
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    Honestly I base it on how you dress. If an african american gentleman comes in, dressed nicely I'll be the first one to go up to them, however if they come in wearing pants down to their knees, big T Shirts etc I do tend to say away from them (please keep in mind if a white custys comes in dressed that way I will also stay away from them). I have found for the most part custys that come in dressed that way tend to not spend much money on dances and tend to be a bit obnoxious at times. I am not sterotyping this is just what I've found over the years.

    When it comes to Latinos its the same thing. Nicely dressed and respectful I will definatly go up to them. However I have found a majority of Latinos tend to be very handsee and when you say something to them they either choose to ignore you.
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    Topless, dude, topless. "barz"?

    This is weird, and I have no answer for you. I work in a nude club right now and I approach everyone. There is no nationality I will not approach because everyone will spend.

    If you are in Fort Worth, well, hell, I hate to say it, but maybe ethnic customers have just been especially badly stereotyped in your area. Too bad for the dancers who are giving up on potentially good customers. Go where you have fun.

    The only customers I discriminate against are the ones who can't spell, because then I worry that they can't count the $20s accurately either.

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    LoL , I'll be the first to admit my spelling sux , but I can count very well .
    its kinda funny because in spanish I can spell perfectly but maybe thats
    because spanish is a phonetic language ( meaning everything is spelled
    exactly how it sounds) and spanish is my 2nd language , it kinda rubbed
    off on me from dating so many latinaz.

    And as far as you aproaching everyone and working at a nude bar goes
    to prove my point . Maybe women who choose to work nude tend to be
    nicer in general. BTW your in ohio? I used to live in akron and the same
    thing went on in the gogo barz(akron does not have topless).
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    Most strippers I know only care about one color and its the fourth one in the spectrum

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    Default Re: question on how minorities are treated in topples vs nude clubs

    Honestly I base it on how you dress. If an african american gentleman comes in, dressed nicely I'll be the first one to go up to them, however if they come in wearing pants down to their knees, big T Shirts etc I do tend to say away from them (please keep in mind if a white custys comes in dressed that way I will also stay away from them). I have found for the most part custys that come in dressed that way tend to not spend much money on dances and tend to be a bit obnoxious at times. I am not sterotyping this is just what I've found over the years.
    actually the thugged out brothaz tend to get much luv in most strip clubs. I was speaking about joe average black male (jeans t-shirt etc) and me personally ,I will spend money at the club but I will sit back and watch first .
    If I see dancers giving sorry dances to others I will not offer up my cash while if I see a dancer give good dances I will approach her with the quickness.

    When it comes to Latinos its the same thing. Nicely dressed and respectful I will definatly go up to them. However I have found a majority of Latinos tend to be very handsee and when you say something to them they either choose to ignore you.
    depending on where you are from this may or maynot apply to you . here in texas most latinoz are mexican and at one time I spent 3 months in mexico and in northern mexico(where most mexicans in america are from) all barz are brothels , you will not see a woman in a bar or nightclub(unless they are working) and what they call stripclubs there are much different .
    here when a girl dances for you that IS the show in mexico when a girl dances for you its just an advertisment for the real show you can get upstairs . in northern mexico even reguler barz the only women you see are with their husbands or they are "working" so any women in a bar by herself is assumed to be a prostitute. though single women can be found in resteraunts and cafe's or diners whitch also sell booz. but those are the only exeptions. that why they tend to be so aggressive in american SC's old habbits are hard to break .

    below are pics from a bar I used to work at in juarez.
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    ^^You sure those people would want their pics put up on a public forum like that with their faces fully visible? Try that in an American club and count the seconds until your camera/camera phone is smashed and you're booted.
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    In my old club... we had a good mix of races and dress/style types. Honestly, I will go up to all guys regardless. There were thugged out styled white girls in my club, that i felt the black thugged out styled men would like better. This thought stopped me from approaching those types.( Not saying it is actually true)
    In general, I feel better with the older crowd who dress more conservative... whether black or white.... I feel as though they are more interested in me.
    Overall, I try not to let the thoughts of " I may not be their type" get to me. I will approach everyone accordingly.

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    ^^You sure those people would want their pics put up on a public forum like that with their faces fully visible? Try that in an American club and count the seconds until your camera/camera phone is smashed and you're booted.
    Actually I had the bosses permission , you see part of the reason he hired me was to attract more americans to his bar .
    I had a website at the time , showing my adventers in mexico that was viewed mostly by my friends but I got a few other people on my site leaving comments . anyway fernando(the boss) saw me on my laptop adding pics to my site and asked why I had no pics of his place and I told him I didnt think he'd like that he said he would love it because if people saw pics of people having fun at his place they might come in when they came to juarez so I started taking pics that night .

    I used to link my site to redsnake.com (whitch is now closed) .
    so the fat guy you see in the pic's is the owner. (sadly last time i was in juarez his health was not good he prolly wieghs 90lbs now) .

    PS: and the one guy you see next to erika ,His face is blocked out because he was a custumer and therfore did not have his permission , but all others in the pic worked at the club .
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    Ah, good boy. Carry on then.
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    I work mostly topless but have worked nude on occasion. I approach anyone who looks interested in me and appears to NOT be an asshole. The only color I care about is green. I often do better with ethnic guys - they often treat me better and tip me more - maybe partly because of my appearance and partly because I find them more physically attractive. No matter how much we try to hide such personal preferences at work, those things do shine through on some level.

    That said, I don't think it's a case of being more racially "friendly" or open-minded if you'd work in a nude club. I just think that most girls go by experience and possibly have better experience with ethnic guys in nude clubs (I believe that culturally alot of ethnics respond better to paying for nudity than only partial nudity). However I personally do well with ethnic guys whether I'm nude or topless. But I have noticed ethnic guys, especially black, seem to like nude clubs better. Maybe that has something to do with the reason they get better attention in nude clubs - if they're enjoying themselves more they'll attract more girls.

    There are some girls who are the "thug hos" so to speak, who always target thug / rapper types, and who almost never dance for white men, thugs or not. I'd say they're racist. Maybe they just prefer thugs and project that, and therefore other men don't find them as appealing, but I tend to think when they're that extreme they're just narrow minded biatches.

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    i worked at a nude club, and to be completely honest, i usually found myself avoiding ethnic guys. the most common ethnic guys we got in our club were middle eastern / indian / arab etc, they were rude 90% of the time, they had bad body odour 90% of the time, they very rarely bought dances and when they did they could hardly speak english and 'didn't understand' the no touching rule. mostly, i just wouldn't dance for someone who didn't understand when i said "no". most of the girls i worked with at this club avioded ethnic customers, but that was mostly just due to bad experiences.

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    Hey SBM you are 100% right!
    I'm latino and dress excellent any time, not a charro nor cholo, but like a businessman.
    There is racism in clubs for sure. In this club in Arlington, VA even with tip money on my hand the dancers will avoid me, dont know why. Maybe I need to show bigger bills........
    Maybe I look like LE? too official...who knows....
    It's TOO BAD SHE'LL won't LAST, BUT then again WHO DOES!?

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    Tiger's not a "brother", he's mutli-racial.

    I've worked in both nude and topless clubs and usually tended to work off a combination of vibes the guy was putting out and being well-dressed. Not necessarily suit and tie, but just if they took care of themselves. Most big spenders I dealt with dressed casually but neatly, regardless of race.

    I'm Latina, and I have to agree about most freshly-arrived Latino men. They do tend to be handsy and expect a lot for their money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kitana
    Let's be honest, besides Tiger, how many brothers know the difference between a PW, SW and LW? OR can tell you the greens fees for Victoria National?
    Well....until a few years ago when the Court decided that racially restricted country club membership was bullshit, black men were quite welcome in the restricted clubs, but as cooks, busboys, janitors, and of course, caddies. And caddies gotta know their wedgies. Of course the caddies would also know the greens fees, so they could bring their massa... I mean the member, his change.

    Golf has a foul and repulsive history of racism. It's fun on a nice afternoon and all, but thanks for reminding my why I hated it for many years.

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    Tiger's not a "brother", he's mutli-racial.
    He would have been classified as black and forbidden from membership and even guest access from any of the dozens of the racially restricted country clubs around our free country.

    Sorry to go OT...

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    Stereotyping. The exact thing we despise so much when people do it to us....

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    Quote Originally Posted by kitana
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    I don't mean to make this a race thing. It's not really. At work I like to try to "connect" with a custy before I do the hustle for dances thing. I can't execute that talky talky part if I have nothing in common with someone...
    I'm sure you are way too young to remember the time when open racial restrictions were common....way back in.....1990. Augusta, arguably the top course in the US, ended its open racial discrimination in 1990. They now have something like an astounding 5 or 6 black members (out of 400 or so).

    I can hardly blame black people from avoiding what has been so clearly the province of the rich and openly bigoted.

    Yet when the biggest rapper is white and the best golfer is black, who knows.

    Oh and as far as the DR. lawyer...comment... I hear their letting the negroes into colleges! Can you believe that!

    Sorry to bust yer hide. I just get nauseated by my martini and mayo cracker brothers, and am happy to be living somewhere with a bit more color.

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    Fine, you guys think whatever the hell you want then. I know what I mean and what I feel and that's good enough for me.

    I'm not going to sit here anymore and try to explain nor justify what I am trying to say. Los Angeles is a whole different planet compared to where I live, and what may work there will not work here.

    *Note: I have deleted all other posts on this thread but this one due to me apparently being a racist.* (Even though I never knew that about me.)
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    I do understand that KY is a different society. Just trying to point out that it's this kind of stereotyping that KEEPS things so backwards there....

    Gotta give people a chance sometimes. Sometimes it's your own preconceived notions that make it hard to connect with people, not necessarily a real difference in attitudes. Plus it always helps in business to be able to deal with as broad a customer base as possible

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    Quote Originally Posted by kitana
    Fine, you guys think whatever the hell you want then. I know what I mean and what I feel and that's good enough for me.

    I'm not going to sit here anymore and try to explain nor justify what I am trying to say. Los Angeles is a whole different planet compared to where I live, and what may work there will not work here.
    I understand what you are saying completely. I grew up in very white bread surroundings and I can't recall knowing a single black person until I was in high school. Even in college at Berkeley (a supposedly diverse population of bright stiudents) white and black students didn't interact nearly as much I think both groups wanted to. The racially segregated roots of our past still plays a role in who we subconsciously chose to associate with.

    Ask your custies what they know and think about the integration of golf with both minority races and women. Might be an illuminating topic. As a woman golfer, Im sure you know about how Augusta barred women members until 2002.

    Now you see, having never been to Kentucky, I have a few stereotypes of my own about it. Good pot, pretty but dangerous women, and hillbillies guarding their busty pigtailed teenage daughters with shotguns....

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    Quote Originally Posted by stant
    Now you see, having never been to Kentucky, I have a few stereotypes of my own about it. Good pot, pretty but dangerous women, and hillbillies guarding their busty pigtailed teenage daughters with shotguns....
    You forgot none of us own shoes, but pretty close, lol.

    The last one generally on the eastern side more than the western, but the others yeah.
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    I deleted my response as well. Friends?

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    Now I'm going to risk sounding "racist".

    Also, this, for me personally, only goes for latino customers.

    In So. CA in a nude club the lap dances are more grindy/touchy. The latino guys are willing to pay for a $10.00 dance IF there's contact. In the topless clubs I've worked at, the rules are pretty strictly enforced and there's very very minimal to no contact. The latino guys either refuse to buy since it's all air, OR they get mad after the dance is done and demand their money back. Oh, or they just start getting all handsy anyway and you're forced to call the bouncer. That doesn't go for all of them, I've had some great latino customers who were sublime gentlemen. But to generalize (and I know it's bad to generalize, but I'm doing it anyway) that's MY reason.

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    in So. CA in a nude club the lap dances are more grindy/touchy. The latino guys are willing to pay for a $10.00 dance IF there's contact. In the topless clubs I've worked at, the rules are pretty strictly enforced and there's very very minimal to no contact. The latino guys either refuse to buy since it's all air, OR they get mad after the dance is done and demand their money back. Oh, or they just start getting all handsy anyway and you're forced to call the bouncer. That doesn't go for all of them, I've had some great latino customers who were sublime gentlemen. But to generalize (and I know it's bad to generalize, but I'm doing it anyway) that's MY reason.
    i reminds me of what a friend said once . he said "I dont go to american stripclubs any more , it like going to a resteraunt,paying for a steak diner, having them put a plate of food in front of you and your not allowed to eat it ".
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