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    Quote Originally Posted by SportsWriter2
    Why can't you imagine that there might be a fun place between free and the going rate? It's a place where a girl can try things she would never do with her BF and almost be a ho.
    Wow, self-denial is a demanding mistress. You might have yourself convinced of this Sporty, but the truth is that the girls you all choose are simply not particularly adept negotiators. They are spoiled and lazy. Men tell them how beautiful they are to get in their pants and they begin to internalize it as being the only truth. The doubt their cognitive abilities, then self-medicate to further numb the heinous truth.

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    Thank you Kat - I'm not the only one going "What fun place?" and "An almost-ho? As opposed to a cheap ho? You couldn't do things you wouldn't do with your boyfriend at the going rate? Why not?"

    I've personally never met a submissive - either a dedicated one or one in it for play - who will not do things with her boyfriend. Submissive is a very socially acceptable place for women - it's constantly eroticized, etc. There is no stigma or shame attached to a woman wanting to be tied and spanked and have her hair pulled and told that she is bad (or good) girl. This is, in fact, NORMAL, as in EVERY woman in the world (at least in North America) does this (one of my roommates prefers to do the spanking. But even she takes it once in a while). Sporty - I think you need to face that it is YOUR fantasy that is being catered to, not theirs - you obviously get huge charge out of being the only guy that can do them right, and that is what is really going on here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moneywise
    Shit!!! Were you a fly on the wall that night? That's almost exactly what he said. The let him finger you part is a bit corny. I believe the convo went something like:

    Girl comes into the booth and sneaks up on P showing me his fave site.

    Girl: ohhhh. I like that website. I wanna do some porn one day.

    P: (pointing at me with this smirk from hell) He's a big time porn director out in Cali.

    Girl: Really?? hehe (blushing)

    P: Yeah. He'll make you a star.

    This he says as she begins to back it up to my stool and grind her ass into my crotch. Now who started it??? What's a customer to do when faced with adversity??? Handle his business. I had to represent the Cali porn directors soundly and swiftly.
    And it turns out I can read a story after all. Yay for my four years at university. As for who started it - clearly he did. Now really - apparently I am the only one who is still capable of being shocked at someone in a stripclub exploiting his or her colleagues - and then calling them friends afterwards. I have no intention of getting over it. In fact I think I am going to put my remaining innocence and shocked indignation in a little box and place it on a high shelf next to my straw giraffe and My Little Ponies and guard it carefully against you nasty, bad men.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    And it turns out I can read a story after all. Yay for my four years at university. As for who started it - clearly he did. Now really - apparently I am the only one who is still capable of being shocked at someone in a stripclub exploiting his or her colleagues - and then calling them friends afterwards. I have no intention of getting over it. In fact I think I am going to put my remaining innocence and shocked indignation in a little box and place it on a high shelf next to my straw giraffe and My Little Ponies and guard it carefully against you nasty, bad men.
    I assumed she knew they were playing and it was just a game, but maybe not.

    Then I started thinking, lets say not. Lets say she believed that MW is a big time porn director and she figured she could trade sex for $$ (well sex for work in the business which would lead to money or fame, whichever it is she wants).

    Somehow I am having trouble getting any more worked up over that then I do over a PL who spends thousands of $$s on a stripper in hopes of getting sex because he has been intentionally led to believe that he is really liked and could end up in a romantic relationship (and some of these PL types fall head over heals in love with strippers and are intentionally lead on for years). Dont get me wrong, its the PLs responsibility to protect themselves from being mislead. The strippers should do whatever they fuck they want to maximize their dollar. More correctly, most strippers do whatever they fuck they want and the PL should just assume that pretty much whatever they are being told or no matter how much she smiles, its deceit (also called "working") to get more $$s out of the PL. But then I could don my hat of "isn't sad how strippers take advantage of the lonely sad types and intentionally deceive them to make more $$s?" Boohoo. Nah, thats pointless. Is much more likely and reasonable to ask the PL to grow a backbone then it is likely that strippers will stop feeding off these sad lonely types of people.

    Of course two wrongs don't make a right, but I guess I have my image of strip clubs as being the place where $$s and sex are traded, and everyone has their rationalization for why its okay to be deceitful to get what they want. When it comes to trading sex for $$s or vice versa it seems that deceit is a commonly used tool to get more of the other (depending on whichever it is that you value more).

    Admittedly you'd like your colleagues to watch your back and not the customers, but when it comes to the stripclubs these places reek of deceit. I don my anti-BS gear before entering. I just assume club owners, strippers, DJs are all full of shit.

    Actually I have on rare occassion met some straight forward honest types of strippers. I assume there are also some straight up honest types of DJs and who knows maybe even some honest club owners. But if you really think she was deceived, then I understand why you are upset at the DJ, but I am having trouble sharing in your surprise. I guess the lesson is learned. Trust noone in the stripclubs to be honest, not even your co-workers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    I do however think that if they are very beautiful and willing to give it up that they SHOULD be making good money, and if they aren't then there is something wrong - like the cookie is maybe not as chippy as it could be.
    yeah, and a stripper SHOULD work sober, but quite often they do not. you're right, there is something wrong, but i don't think it's solely due to a lack of intelligence. it may be due to simple ignorance combined with a startling lack of self-discipline. unless, you think sc owners or other strippers actually drop that outlaw mentality for a moment and go through the trouble to explain to young strippers the ramifications of working as a stripper.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    I think when you say flaky I would say not bright. When I say flaky I think I mean something different.
    when i call a stripper flaky. depending on the context, it could mean she's never on time, you can't trust her to do she says will do. it could also mean that i think she has an irrational or wacky personality and prone to making those type of decisions. it has little to do with intelligence. however, if i did think she was dumb and a flake then i would call her something like a "cabbage-headed flake".
    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    Well, strippers do have those pesky feelings, and when you run around telling the young girl that she is so special, and have your pervert friends do the same thing, she might think that she actually is.
    true, but it's the nature of your biz. sc hold some of the same kind of attractions and pitfalls for strippers as it does for customers. if a customer is getting his ego stroked by a stripper. conversely, doesn't a stripper get her ego stroked by attention, adulation and cash? isn't that where strippers develop the absurd notion that she's worth hundreds of dollars just to talk? if every stripper tells me i have a big dick (and they do...sigh) during a lap. it doesn't necessarily follow that i have to believe her. especially, when i get a harsh reality check after i step out of the shower every morning.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    Again - you don't see the difference between this and what the DJ did? Plus, keep in mind that the DJ has a pattern of behaviour.
    i'm not arguing with you about this guy's actions or his pattern of behaviour. so, if you think his actions makes him a sleazy, little weasel. i won't dispute it. i recognize my own kind when i see it. however..
    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    Now really - apparently I am the only one who is still capable of being shocked at someone in a stripclub exploiting his or her colleagues - and then calling them friends afterwards.
    well, it's not that shocking because it's not all that uncommon. especially, among the other staff members or strippers that are in that are in a better position to exploit their co-worker under the guise of friendship. besides, he's a DJ for crying out loud. a DJ should announce the girls, play music and STFU. otherwise, they become annoying and should be exterminated like rats.
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    This thread needs to be split off. Moneywise likes the drama, pure and simple. He has enough looks, personality, and social skill to pull tail elsewhere, but that's not the point here. The SC drama is his "trigger".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine
    This thread needs to be split off. Moneywise likes the drama, pure and simple. He has enough looks, personality, and social skill to pull tail elsewhere, but that's not the point here. The SC drama is his "trigger".
    Kat, I hope you realize that you are potentially creating a monster by making this suggestion. Any moment now, JZ and I can expect a PM from MW demanding a "sticky" thread of his own It would take a ton of thought and probably a half-dozen polls just to figure out what to name it Tales From The Crypt comes to mind

    Seriously, I was kinda thinking the same thing yesterday after reading the latest back and forth posts. OTOH, though, OTC-HG isnt super busy so my gut reaction was to let it ride figuring some other OTC-meister (Chili maybe?) will post something to steal MW's thunder for a while Jay may have some thoughts

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine
    Moneywise likes the drama, pure and simple. He has enough looks, personality, and social skill to pull tail elsewhere, but that's not the point here. The SC drama is his "trigger"
    Yeah, I agree, except I'd say "more than enough." Kat, you've had a prolific day posting. I couldn't even do that on Red Bull.
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    Kat, I hope you realize that you are potentially creating a monster by making this suggestion.
    Personally, I like the interplay between the general concepts and the dissection of MW/P's Excellent Adventure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    I've personally never met a submissive - either a dedicated one or one in it for play - who will not do things with her boyfriend.
    Yeah, but it's the boyfriends who don't wanna go there. Ever see a submissive go out of control having her hair pulled and ass slapped? It scares a BF fast to know the trigger is more important than the guy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    Submissive is a very socially acceptable place for women - it's constantly eroticized, etc. There is no stigma or shame attached to a woman wanting to be tied and spanked and have her hair pulled...
    There's no stigma among fellow freaks, but try telling a first date what you like. Even guys who say they're cool with it don't keep coming back for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    ...you obviously get huge charge out of being the only guy that can do them right, and that is what is really going on here.
    Any guy can, but not many will. It actually gives me a queasy feeling after the rush.

    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine
    ...the truth is that the girls you all choose are simply not particularly adept negotiators. They are spoiled and lazy. Men tell them how beautiful they are to get in their pants and they begin to internalize it as being the only truth. The doubt their cognitive abilities, then self-medicate to further numb the heinous truth.
    I'd strike "spoiled and lazy" and insert "horny and deprived." Not a good negotiating position. And some doubt their looks, not their cognitive abilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xdamage
    Somehow I am having trouble getting any more worked up over that then I do over a PL who spends thousands of $$s on a stripper in hopes of getting sex because he has been intentionally led to believe that he is really liked and could end up in a romantic relationship (and some of these PL types fall head over heals in love with strippers and are intentionally lead on for years).
    So. It is her own fault because she is a filthy whore. That is essentially what you are getting at, right? I've already pointed out that the baseline of decency from a customer is different from the baseline of decency from a colleague. Same as the customer might get what he "deserved" from the dancer, but it would be pretty wrong for his buddy, who went in with him, to tell the stripper how to emotionally push his buttons, and to tell him "No, man, she told me - one more VIP and she'll really fall in love with you." I'm obviously condensing - but that is the gist of it, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by x
    But if you really think she was deceived, then I understand why you are upset at the DJ, but I am having trouble sharing in your surprise. I guess the lesson is learned. Trust noone in the stripclubs to be honest, not even your co-workers.
    Don't you think it is kind of ironic that the stripper, the one who participates in teh this whole strip club culture thing the most is the only one who seems to think that people, regardless of location, should have some ethical baseline? I think that is a terrible way to behave. I've never had a colleague behave that way with me. I don't think it is as common as what you evidently do.

    Quote Originally Posted by punk
    yeah, and a stripper SHOULD work sober, but quite often they do not.
    Oh, like hell they should.

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    i would call her something like a "cabbage-headed flake".
    Cabbage isn't even flaky. Leafy.

    sc hold some of the same kind of attractions and pitfalls for strippers as it does for customers. if a customer is getting his ego stroked by a stripper. conversely, doesn't a stripper get her ego stroked by attention, adulation and cash? isn't that where strippers develop the absurd notion that she's worth hundreds of dollars just to talk?
    Well, worth has no meaning in that context. My time has no intrinsic value - it's just what people are willing to pay me to do versus what I am willing to do for free. If customers want to talk to me for long periods of time then I will insist that they pay me because otherwise I won't. Whether or not it is "worth it" is entirely their decision, right? On the other hand if a guy wants to buy 10 dances, I will happily throw in a half hour of conversation for free.

    Now - I did just get through saying on the pink side that when you spend all your time trying to convince a guy that you like him, you can't blame him for believing it. It may be the nature of the biz, but MW can't viably complain or be surprised if, after he and his friends tell this girl that she is special to him, she actually thinks she is.

    Quote Originally Posted by punk
    i'm not arguing with you about this guy's actions or his pattern of behaviour. so, if you think his actions makes him a sleazy, little weasel. i won't dispute it. i recognize my own kind when i see it. however..
    You bastard.

    Quote Originally Posted by punky
    well, it's not that shocking because it's not all that uncommon. especially, among the other staff members or strippers that are in that are in a better position to exploit their co-worker under the guise of friendship. besides, he's a DJ for crying out loud. a DJ should announce the girls, play music and STFU. otherwise, they become annoying and should be exterminated like rats.
    Well, I don't know. This is obviously not something that I have a great deal of experience with (in case it wasn't obvious: this is not something I have a great deal of experience with). Since I work in stripclubs with DJs and strippers and this is not something I've seen much of - I have difficulty believing that it is all THAT common. In any case - back the hell away from my innocence and shocked indignation. I already told you I was keeping it on a high shelf far away from you bad, bad people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SportsWriter2
    There's no stigma among fellow freaks, but try telling a first date what you like. Even guys who say they're cool with it don't keep coming back for it.
    Oh, little bunny. I think part of what I was trying to communicate (perhaps not effectively) was that it is not really "freakish" behaviour. That it is universally indulged in, and generally considered more desirable than not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    I think part of what I was trying to communicate (perhaps not effectively) was that it is not really "freakish" behaviour. That it is universally indulged in, and generally considered more desirable than not.
    You communicate effectively; I just disagree with your assertion. Some dancers find guys who will work them over; some don't. Some dancers have lots of personal guilt about their submissive triggers. Suggested reading: Dr. Michael Bader's, Arousal: The Secret Logic of Sexual Fantasies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine
    the truth is that the girls you all choose are simply not particularly adept negotiators. They are spoiled and lazy. Men tell them how beautiful they are to get in their pants and they begin to internalize it as being the only truth. The doubt their cognitive abilities, then self-medicate to further numb the heinous truth.
    I believe her self esteem exists at a constant low. The things I know lead me to believe that. Some things I haven’t shared on this board (surprise surprise). Me not share info? Imagine that.


    Let’s negotiate in the little corner booth behind the red curtain.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    I think you need to face that it is YOUR fantasy that is being catered to, not theirs
    I know that was directed at Sporty but let me just say this. She told me secrets. She divulged to me that she enjoyed having her hair almost yanked out of her head. The harder the more it gets her off. I vowed to never share that info. (The cyber world doesn’t apply) Although I would have no qualms believing MY fantasy is being catered to (I did lighten my pockets a bit), after our little hookup I believe she got a little something out of it too.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    And it turns out I can read a story after all. Yay for my four years at university. As for who started it - clearly he did. Now really - apparently I am the only one who is still capable of being shocked at someone in a stripclub exploiting his or her colleagues - and then calling them friends afterwards. I have no intention of getting over it. In fact I think I am going to put my remaining innocence and shocked indignation in a little box and place it on a high shelf next to my straw giraffe and My Little Ponies and guard it carefully against you nasty, bad men.
    I’m a bad bad man. Hey, congrats on the four years. Thanks to my four years I am able to enjoy and appreciate the inherent ability to support my diversionary addiction. I should write the dean and thank him one day.


    I won’t ask you to lighten up. I’ll just say the three of us had fun with the whole “he’s a porn director” thing. If she actually believed that then I have some top choice real estate in South Florida to sell her.


    Quote Originally Posted by mr_punk
    if every stripper tells me i have a big dick (and they do...sigh)
    LOL


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    i recognize my own kind when i see it.

    True.


    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine
    This thread needs to be split off. Moneywise likes the drama, pure and simple. He has enough looks, personality, and social skill to pull tail elsewhere, but that's not the point here. The SC drama is his "trigger".

    You know I love you. I would have placed my HG report in the drama section had I know it would have stirred up this much dust.


    Quote Originally Posted by FBR
    Kat, I hope you realize that you are potentially creating a monster by making this suggestion. Any moment now, JZ and I can expect a PM from MW demanding a "sticky" thread of his own

    I did take a special liking to Kat’s whole trigger statement. Perhaps I can add that to my already crowded sig. *grin* Don’t worry. Kat has the special formula that makes this monster come a sniffin.


    Quote Originally Posted by FBR
    my gut reaction was to let it ride figuring some other OTC-meister (Chili maybe?) will post something to steal MW's thunder for a while

    I’m sure Chili has been in the basement working on his next masterpiece. I fully expect my thunder to be stolen very soon.


    Meanwhile I will be working on that next play date. I could get used to this for awhile. Youy know Ms. L was flirting with me Saturday night too. Hell, she just dropped another child. Slipping Frazier in that might be like adding water to ramen. It is fun flirting with her though especially when Ms. J is in my peripheral line of sight stealing a glance.


    Quote Originally Posted by SportsWriter2
    Personally, I like the interplay between the general concepts and the dissection of MW/P's Excellent Adventure.

    Thanks. I’m not sure I would ever be able to fully trust P but we sure have a damned good time together.


    Hey, I’ve worked on this for two years. I remember taking a direct approach about a year ago and receiving the line “I aint no ho”. Anyone remember that TR? Haha


    Patience truly is a virtue.


    FBR, since this area is for HGs and my HG report appears to have stimulated some conversation (mostly melodramatic) perhaps you could move everything with the exception of the few pats on the back received from the fellow junkies over to the drama thread. I don't care either way. Just a suggestion. I wasn't expecting my HG to generate pages of red rover.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    So. It is her own fault because she is a filthy whore. That is essentially what you are getting at, right?
    Look up. As I said previously in a previous response, this seems to be at the heart of the matter. Some deep seated fear on your part that if we acknowledge her responsibility in the matter that we are saying that it's her 'fault because she is a filthy whore' Thats a pretty strong emotional reaction; maybe you're projecting some issues you're having with prostitution or fears you are having with people viewing you or other females that way, but thats not the view I'm taking.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    Now - I did just get through saying on the pink side that when you spend all your time trying to convince a guy that you like him, you can't blame him for believing it. It may be the nature of the biz, but MW can't viably complain or be surprised if, after he and his friends tell this girl that she is special to him, she actually thinks she is.
    Customers believe all kinds of things. But then nobody sheds a tear for them when they are being played to make money. Whats the stereotypical view of that? Oh yea, it must be "Its all the customers fault because he is a pathetic loser". Of course that stereotypical simplistic view hasn't stopped most strippers from stripping or playing customers. Those mean nasty females.

    Now could we drop the generalizations/polarizations about male/females and just focus on the story at hand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xdamage
    Now could we drop the generalizations/polarizations about male/females and just focus on the story at hand?
    Well, you go right on ahead. I flatter myself that is what I have been doing all along.
    Really - I think at this point you are simply willfully misunderstanding and selectively quoting to carry on the argument - I fail to see how you cannot see that I have addressed the two points you made ad nauseum over the past 700 pages and even I am getting incredibly bored of explaining to you over and over again that the baseline of ethical behaviour is different between dancers and their clients and colleagues and that the contentious behaviour here is about the DJ's beahviour (i.e. lying to and abuse of a colleague's trust), not the dancer's (exchanging sex for money). If you are interested in morally dissecting the dancer's behaviour, you don't need to involve me (because I'm not. Prostitution, in this scenario, is something with which I feel extremely comfortable and not in the slightest conflicted). Considering the above - I would move that enough is enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    ...the baseline of ethical behaviour is different between dancers and their clients and colleagues and that the contentious behaviour here is about the DJ's beahviour...
    I think that was your shorthand for "the baseline of ethical behaviour is different between dancers and their clients than it is between dancers and their colleagues..."

    Yes, I think you're right. Dancers and colleagues focus on manipulative flattery (SS/CS) to obtain more for less. The baseline for dancers and colleagues is only slightly above ruthless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    even I am getting incredibly bored of explaining to you over and over again that the baseline of ethical behaviour is different between dancers and their clients and colleagues and that the contentious behaviour here is about the DJ's beahviour (i.e. lying to and abuse of a colleague's trust), not the dancer's (exchanging sex for money).
    It's time for some more sight adjustment. No. I wasn't there when the conversation went down between P & J. P just told me about it afterwards and actually asked if I wanted him to close the deal. (he's very arrogant but in a fun way)

    She asked. He advised probably because it was his boy she was asking about. Had it been any other individual (and he did tell me this ) he would not have participated in any conversation about it.

    The bottom line is that the dissection of a line of behavior that occurs more often than you think in SCs seems to be a waste of good energy.

    Ethics in SCs?


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    Are we all agreed that the DJ was being an arsehole or not? I'm thinking everyone has pretty well agreed to that assessment, so I don't understand the furor over any of the details. It also seems to be agreed that everyone involved is responsible for their own actions.

    Blue: Well, she's responsible for her own decisions!
    Pink: Yes, but he still behaved like an arsehole.
    Blue: But that doesn't diminish her responsibility.
    Pink: No, but he was clearly unprofessional.
    Blue: Regardless, she is equally or more culpable.
    Pink: Still, we shouldn't make excuses for him deceiving her.
    Blue: I'm saying she should know that DJs are generally deceptive.

    Ad infinitum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evan_essence
    Are we all agreed that the DJ was being an arsehole or not?
    Not. I think the DJ was just being a fun guy.

    Blue: He gave his friendly approval for the best sex of her life.
    Pink: But she gave it up cheaper than I would have.
    Blue: You've given it up for free.
    Pink: That's different.

    Ad nauseum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evan_essence
    Are we all agreed that the DJ was being an arsehole or not? I'm thinking everyone has pretty well agreed to that assessment, so I don't understand the furor over any of the details. It also seems to be agreed that everyone involved is responsible for their own actions.
    That's pretty much it although MW paints that with regards to the porn director situation, the DJ was just playing a game and that the dancer knew it was just a game. Likewise I get the sense from MW that she asked, and the DJ just put in the good word for MW.

    If on the other hand you perceive the DJ as being a manipulative dick that coerced or tricked the dancer (or believe he should have advised her not to engage in this OTC activity with MW), then the furor seems to be over how emotional any of this makes you feel. I sort of feel like yawning, but I guess J feels that there should be a greater degree of honor among those inside of the family circle. All that goes through my head is the old saying there is "No Honor Among Thieves" SCs don't exactly strike me as the place where I expect people to treat each other particularly well or kindly, not among customers, not among the employees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SportsWriter2

    Blue: He gave his friendly approval for the best sex of her life.
    Pink: But she gave it up cheaper than I would have.
    Blue: You've given it up for free.
    Pink: That's different.
    hahah! That's classic.


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    Quote Originally Posted by evan_essence
    Pink: No, but he was clearly unprofessional.
    uh..when did strippers start becoming concerned about being professional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SportsWriter2
    Blue: You've given it up for free.
    Pink: That's different.
    Where's CO when we need his commentary? It's never free; at the very least, it's "trade out."

    Quote Originally Posted by mr_punk
    uh..when did strippers start becoming concerned about being professional.
    Well, once you accept pay for it, they won't let you back in the amateur competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evan_essence
    Well, once you accept pay for it, they won't let you back in the amateur competition.
    Maybe not at your club, but the club down the road will let you compete on amateur night. Who would know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenny
    Well, worth has no meaning in that context. My time has no intrinsic value - it's just what people are willing to pay me to do versus what I am willing to do for free. If customers want to talk to me for long periods of time then I will insist that they pay me because otherwise I won't. Whether or not it is "worth it" is entirely their decision, right? On the other hand if a guy wants to buy 10 dances, I will happily throw in a half hour of conversation for free.
    really? you must be as socially oblivious and reclusive in the club as you say. i don't know of many strippers who don't get their ego stroked by one or all three in some way. i recall having a conversation with a stripper. at one point during the talk she made an off-the-cuff remark about her looking better than most women. i did a double take to see if she was joking. she was dead serious. don't get me wrong. she was hot, but not that hot. i've seen women on the street who could blow her out the water on a bad hair day and like most sex workers. their attractivness is also partly based on their occupation. in this case, it's the ability to take of their clothes and grind on cocks without a lot of time, effort or commitment on the customer's part. now, i don't think her comment was made out of conceitedness. i suppose, if a stripper has a steady supply of fawning, slobbering PLs constantly telling her that she's beautiful, intelligent or whathave you. at some point, she's going to start to believe her own press.
    Quote Originally Posted by jenny
    Now - I did just get through saying on the pink side that when you spend all your time trying to convince a guy that you like him, you can't blame him for believing it. It may be the nature of the biz, but MW can't viably complain or be surprised if, after he and his friends tell this girl that she is special to him, she actually thinks she is.
    absolutely. since, MW is new to the dark side. hopefully, he'll learn not to abuse use his evil powers indiscriminately on whatever piece of ass tickles his fancy. otherwise, it might come back and bite him on the ass. then again, perhaps not. perhaps, Kat is right. MW could be the drama loving type.
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