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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_punk
    really? you must be as socially oblivious and reclusive in the club as you say. i don't know of many strippers who don't get their ego stroked by one or all three in some way.
    In case you haven't noticed - I'm not very friendly. Seriously man - comments like that make me think you are actually a 13 year punk (ha - punk - get it?) who has never actually been to a strip club. I have a very hearty appreciation for what my talk time, and for that matter the time I spend grinding on guys cocks, is worth not only because of the number of guys that do pay for it, but because the much larger number that won't pay for it (yes the flaky strippers can count! Although I specialize in increments of twenty. If we are not rounding to twenty, I must furrow my brow and think particularly hard and perhaps involve my fingers. I wear closed toed shoes, so I can't use my toes.). I have never met a dancer who gets more yeses than nos, regardless of how hot she is.

    i recall having a conversation with a stripper. at one point during the talk she made an off-the-cuff remark about her looking better than most women. i did a double take to see if she was joking.
    Was this a visible double take? You mean, bad, discourteous man.

    now, i don't think her comment was made out of conceitedness. i suppose, if a stripper has a steady supply of fawning, slobbering PLs constantly telling her that she's beautiful, intelligent or whathave you. at some point, she's going to start to believe her own press.
    I think it's nice when women have a lot of confidence in themselves. Of course I get to see the same girl obsessing over her weight, the pimples on her ass, her ugly cuticles and the fact that her kidneys are not symetrical and her cervix has some unusual cells (and she knows you guys are looking), and then weeping over her ugly cervix when she has only made $7.00 that night. So I am going to have a different perspective on "her own press" than you do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jenny
    Seriously man - comments like that make me think you are actually a 13 year punk (ha - punk -get it?) who has never actually been to a stripclub.
    hold on. you're the one who's shocked that a DJ would manipulate his co-workers into getting fingered and fucked by a customer and you're wondering if i've ever been to a sc?
    Quote Originally Posted by jenny
    I have a very hearty appreciation for what my talk time, and for that matter the time I spend grinding on guys cocks, is worth not only because of the number of guys that do pay for it, but because the much larger number that won't pay for it
    oh, i'm sure you do have an appreciation. like i said, cash is one of the ego strokes for strippers. the more you make the bigger the stroke, right?.
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    Was this a visible double take? You mean, bad, discourteous man.
    it couldn't be helped, but luckily she was too busy talking to notice it.
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    I think it's nice when women have a lot of confidence in themselves.
    oh, i wouldn't say that she was that self-confident. a lot of it derived from her customers. i knew exactly the kind of remarks about her physical appearance that would collapse her self-esteem and ego like a soufflé and send her screaming into the dressing room looking for a mirror....not that i would ever do such a thing...well, not unless i had a very good reason.
    Quote Originally Posted by jenny
    Of course I get to see the same girl obsessing over her weight, the pimples on her ass, her ugly cuticles and the fact that her kidneys are not symetrical and her cervix has some unusual cells (and she knows you guys are looking), and then weeping over her ugly cervix when she has only made $7.00 that night. So I am going to have a different perspective on "her own press" than you do.
    LOL...now, that's funny. you don't think strippers unload in this fashion to their customers? you don't think flaky strippers bitch and moan about their appearance or about a lack of money to their customers? are you high? sometimes, we can't get these biatches to STFU about it.

    in fact, this very same woman once bitched to me how her ex-BF used to say her ass wasn't that great just to make her mad or to put her down. sigh....of course, she just had to ask me ,"what do you think of my ass. i think it's kinda of flat. what do you think?".

    first of all, i'm not going to buy a dance from a stripper. if she doesn't have a great ass. now, i could have easily told her this and given my reassurance or approval, but unlike a lot of PLs. i don't give anything away to strippers. they have to earn it. so, i told her, "i don't know. i really didn't get a good look (in actuality, i know exactly how many pores and zits are on her ass and i have it mapped out like a butcher's diagram in my head. so, i'll know where to bite.). so, stand up and turn around and show me your ass.". "alright, now straddle the chair, bend over and stick out your ass. no, i mean really stick it out......".
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_punk
    hold on. you're the one who's shocked that a DJ would manipulate his co-workers into getting fingered and fucked by a customer and you're wondering if i've ever been to a sc?
    Okay - small point here. Everyone on this board who has been talking about how little colleagues in strip clubs owe to each other has been a customer. There have been no industry insiders detailing how acceptable it is to manipulate one's co-workers in this industry. I like to think that, despite my naivete, that perhaps I do still have better insight into the industry than you do, seeing as I work in it and you are still just a patron. So - I maintain that I am right and you are wrong here.
    Now watch - all the heretofore silent women are about to unleash some DJ horror stories just to prove that I, in fact, have no idea what the heck I'm talking about.

    oh, i'm sure you do have an appreciation. like i said, cash is one of the ego strokes for strippers. the more you make the bigger the stroke, right?.
    Okay - again, perhaps my communication skills are questionable. My point was that although you are continually being "stroked" (the guys that pay) you are, at the same time, getting the "anti-stroke." (the guys that don't). Considering that everyone I have ever met gets more anti-stroke than stroke I think girls like the one you are describing are coming out in the ego red at the end of the night.

    LOL...now, that's funny. you don't think strippers unload in this fashion to their customers? you don't think flaky strippers bitch and moan about their appearance or about a lack of money to their customers? are you high? sometimes, we can't get these biatches to STFU about it.
    Okay, now I'm really laughing because I remember a friend of mine who had a sales tactic I thought was hilarious. She would walk up to a table and say "Do you think I look fat? Because I'm really feeling it right here, and you know, here." And then if the guy said no she would ask him to buy her a drink. If he said no to this, she would whine "It's because you think I'm fat, isn't it?" This would never fail to crack us right up. It did work sometimes, but it was really more good for amusing ourselves than anything else. Sigh. It was fun having a friend at work. I should see about getting me another one.

    first of all, i'm not going to buy a dance from a stripper. if she doesn't have a great ass. now, i could have easily told her this and given my reassurance or approval, but unlike a lot of PLs. i don't give anything away to strippers. they have to earn it.
    They have to earn the flattery? That's supposed to be a perk! You're even cheap with the meaningless flattery? You are mean.

    so, i told her, "i don't know. i really didn't get a good look (in actuality, i know exactly how many pores and zits are on her ass and i have it mapped out like a butcher's diagram in my head. so, i'll know where to bite.)
    Okay, hold on just a second. I don't go in for any fluidy contact, so I'm not much for being bit. Ergo my experience in this area is limited. But you're telling me right now that you have to plan to bite AROUND her zits? Oh my god. That is disgusting, and yet horrifyingly amusing, just imagining you with a mouthful of ass-zit puss. Eeww, man. Just, eeww.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SportsWriter2
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    Well, once you accept pay for it, they won't let you back in the amateur competition.
    Maybe not at your club, but the club down the road will let you compete on amateur night. Who would know?
    Oh, well, I wasn't meaning to be taken that literally. I meant "they who classify you as a whore" once you accept pay for it won't ever let you live it down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evan_essence
    Oh, well, I wasn't meaning to be taken that literally. I meant "they who classify you as a whore" once you accept pay for it won't ever let you live it down.
    Okay, let me expand the concept. Maybe not in that social network (SN1), but the social network "down the road" (SN2) will let you pass yourself off as an amateur. Who would know?

    Intead of saying "I don't do that anymore" in SN1, you just say, "I would never do that" in SN2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SportsWriter2
    Why can't you imagine that there might be a fun place between free and the going rate? It's a place where a girl can try things she would never do with her BF and almost be a ho.
    "Almost be a ho"?! is that one of the outfits that comes with the "My First Stripper Dolls" that your 19 year-old waifs are still palying with Sporty? Don't get me wrong, the concept is very entertaining but the reality is that the grey area between free and the going rate is called rent week, or car payment due, or "well, at least he doesn't smell gross, even if he is old and losing his hair". Hey, whatever works for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us
    "Almost be a ho"?! is that one of the outfits that comes with the "My First Stripper Dolls" that your 19 year-old waifs are still palying with Sporty?
    Dolls? These girls have already done more wild stuff in five years than you and I have in a lifetime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SportsWriter2
    Dolls? These girls have already done more wild stuff in five years than you and I have in a lifetime.
    Sporty: I'm really not debating what your girls have done. Just what you are calling it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us
    Sporty: I'm really not debating what your girls have done. Just what you are calling it.
    Do the math, Yoda. If she'd cost $400/hr with an escort agency and she offers her time for $100/hr "cuz we're friends and you're fun," she's almost being a ho. I know a cute dancer who sold herself for $2000. That's being a ho.

    I've had impasses where the dancer would only do it for free, and I wouldn't agree to less than $100/hr. Free is just too expensive, if you catch my drift.

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    Sporty: The going rate around Boston is $300-350 for a hot GFE for one hour. There are girls that will do it for far less and even some crack-whores on Craig's List that will do you for $100. I've gotten offers from dancers who do outcall anywhere in the price range I just mentioned and higher. A few weeks ago a cute little Mexican dancer at a club in San Diego slipped me her card and told me she would take $300 for an overnighter. I had just spent $200 on her in lap dances.

    You can call your girls or the acts they perform by whatever you want. If you want to kid yourself about why they accept your cash that's fine too. I could care less since I obviously don't have a problem with the concept of cash for sex.

    As far as "free" being too expensive. I can see how that might be a problem for you since mind-fucking with girls is part of your game plan. Call me boring but my freebies (and no, there aren't many) are all older, independant thinkers who just want a little fun with a dumpy middle aged guy who treats them well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us
    As far as "free" being too expensive. I can see how that might be a problem for you since mind-fucking with girls is part of your game plan.
    Yoda, the "free" ones are usually BPD psyschos. If you order a drink from a female bartender, you're mind-fucking a BPD. What a waste of pretty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SportsWriter2
    Yoda, the "free" ones are usually BPD psyschos. If you order a drink from a female bartender, you're mind-fucking a BPD. What a waste of pretty.
    Huh? You lost me there Sporty. Your going to have to explain to me how ordering a drink is a mind fuck and why you would go anywhere near a woman who thinks it is...
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    Okay - small point here. Everyone on this board who has been talking about how little colleagues in strip clubs owe to each other has been a customer. There have been no industry insiders detailing how acceptable it is to manipulate one's co-workers in this industry. I like to think that, despite my naivete, that perhaps I do still have better insight into the industry than you do, seeing as I work in it and you are still just a patron. So - I maintain that I am right and you are wrong here.
    Now watch - all the heretofore silent women are about to unleash some DJ horror stories just to prove that I, in fact, have no idea what the heck I'm talking about.
    Okay, I'm coming out of lurking mode to say I agree with Jenny. I haven't totally kept up with this thread but if I understand right, you enlisted the DJ to help you get her drunk, let you finger her, and meet you OTC. That was slimy, both on the DJ's part and yours.

    Returning to lurking mode now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Destiny
    Okay, I'm coming out of lurking mode to say I agree with Jenny. I haven't totally kept up with this thread but if I understand right, you enlisted the DJ to help you get her drunk, let you finger her, and meet you OTC. That was slimy, both on the DJ's part and yours.

    Returning to lurking mode now.
    Seems to me the dancer was open to all of the above with little to no help from the DJ, does that make it slimy on her part too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destiny
    I haven't totally kept up with this thread but if I understand right, you enlisted the DJ to help you get her drunk, let you finger her, and meet you OTC. That was slimy, both on the DJ's part and yours.
    Here's the Cliff notes for P and MW's Great Adventure

    Girl #1, 19, drunk, horny, wet (or slimy, whatever), porn starlet wannabe, warms "director" MW's fingers.

    Girl #2, older, drunk, horny, wet, dancer, seeks DJ's approval to warm Frazier OTC.

    Destiny, you're in control here. All four players will roast in hell forever if you rat them out to dog. Do it.

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    There is a specific term for a man that encourages girls to sleep with men for money. That term is not Disk Jockey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Destiny
    Okay, I'm coming out of lurking mode to say I agree with Jenny. I haven't totally kept up with this thread but if I understand right, you enlisted the DJ to help you get her drunk, let you finger her, and meet you OTC. That was slimy, both on the DJ's part and yours.

    Returning to lurking mode now.
    Might I suggest you read fully before formulating a hypothesis? I didn't enlist anything. He knew what I wanted and took it upon himself to help out a friend. What a great guy eh? Pope? P? Pope? P? I can't think of which is greater.

    I never asked for anything except maybe a little back arch or so.

    I hope you don't go back into hibernation for good. It was very nice meeting you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Destiny
    There is a specific term for a man that encourages girls to sleep with men for money. That term is not Disk Jockey.
    It's funny that you say that. Whenever he sees me the first thing out of his mouth is always "sup Pimp!"

    I'm sure we've all pimped at some point in our lives both male & female.

    When you set your "girl" or "boy" up for a date with someone you think is "nice" does that nice person not spend money on your "boy" or "girl" which may ultimately result in some hot hot burnin luv?

    Some enjoy occasionally cutting to the chase. Others enjoy the hunt.

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    Dude - it is the most simplistic and inaccurate thing in the world to say that a date is the same as a hooker. Setting someone up on a date is not the same as pimping them out, and it is ridiculously naive and childish to claim it is.
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    lol

    I guess I should have placed more smilies in that post so that YOU would understand the hint of sarcasm I lined it with. My fault.

    edit: That makes 2. I'm sure there's more that didn't see my twisted sartcasm. Now I see why I don't do stand up.

    ANYWAYS I didn't ask him to do anything. If you see whatever he did as pimping then you see it from a different perspective than I. From my point of view she went to him and asked what he thought about it. He probably had already had a few and told her to go for it. (hell, it's his boy. what's he going to say?) He's a DJ not a therapist. I'm not sure how saying "if it were anyone else I would think she's a whore but since it's you I don't because you're different" is pimping. She looked for an angle. He gave her one with his own personality tossed in. Ask and you shall receive.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Moneywise
    Be careful J. You might get recruited into the moral police force. Look for a nightstick in your mailbox anyday now.
    Dude - I can't help it if I am a good and moral person, and, as such, like my hookers sober, honest, uninfluenced by slimy DJ's and I certainly don't want one who is only doing me - you know, because I'm so special to her (or him, depending on my mood I guess). I prefer just to pay them and then go home. And preferably without fillings. I like a hooker who flosses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    Dude - I can't help it if I am a good and moral person, and, as such, like my hookers sober, honest, uninfluenced by slimy DJ's and I certainly don't want one who is only doing me - you know, because I'm so special to her (or him, depending on my mood I guess). I prefer just to pay them and then go home. And preferably without fillings. I like a hooker who flosses.
    I yield to your holiness and should have another HG report within a week or so.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Moneywise
    ...So she asks him if he would think any lesser of her and he (always erring on the side of his boy) encouraged her and told her if it were anyone else he would see it as tricking and nothing more. She’s “different” though. Afterwards he called me that night, filled me in, and I told him I would close the deal. Of course I thanked him for his words of wisdom..lol
    She asked his opinion as her friend and co-worker. His answer reflected not her best interests, but the best interests of, "his boy". That is slimy.

    For the record, I have no problem with you purchasing sex. If you fell a need to engage the services of a pimp to facillitate your purchase, I have no problem with that either. What I have a problem with is someone that takes advantage of a working friendship. Yes a SC is cutthroat environment. But still, co-workers out to look out for each other.
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    Am I the only one here who thinks there is a lot of hypocracy being thrown around?. Lets reduce it:

    Argument 1: Prostitition isn't wrong, infact I use the services of prostitutes.

    Argument 2: It is wrong to advise someone to engage in prostitution . Or how was it put? It's not in their best interest, even though the would-be prostitute asked for an opionion. Apparently its particulary even more wrong when the person advising you is someone you know and work with vs say, when the person encouraging you to engage in prostitution is the one offering you money.

    Lets compare this with something which we all agree is not wrong and see how silly this sounds:

    Argument 1: Painting isn't wrong, infact I use the services of a painter.

    Argument 2: It is wrong to advise someone to take money for painting someone elses house.

    I think the the issue is very simple here. Deep down people don't actually believe prostitution (aka turning tricks) is okay, and so all the rest of this is just dancing around that, drawing the lines of morality at whatever point allows people to live with their own inconsistencies in this regard. I think if people really didn't look down on prostitution nobody would give a shit what the DJ told the dancer and we wouldn't be having this (incredibly long) discussion.

    I also can't help but think that some of this is just the typical blue/pink, male (the DJ is one)/female (the dancer is one) biased arguments (aka, men suck!).

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    Default Re: Outside the Club (aka "The Holy Grail")

    Quote Originally Posted by xdamage
    I also can't help but think that some of this is just the typical blue/pink, male (the DJ is one)/female (the dancer is one) biased arguments (aka, men suck!).
    I agree. More "Men suck; throw rocks at them."

    I don't think the term prostitution should apply if the girl likes the guy and takes less than market value for her time. Free is less than market value, and we exempt free.

    In effect, Ms J was asking DJ P to be exempted from the prostitution stigma. He exempted her. Being treated like a whore during sex is a separate fantasy.

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