View Poll Results: which do you like more upscale , middle of road , or hole in wall

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  • I'm a cusumer and like upscale

    5 4.50%
  • I'm a cusumer and like middle of road .

    26 23.42%
  • im a custumer and like hole in wallz

    6 5.41%
  • I'm a dancer and like upscale.

    34 30.63%
  • I'm a dancer and like middle of road.

    38 34.23%
  • I'm a dancer and like hole in wall.

    2 1.80%
  • I'm a bouncer/DJ and like upscale.

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    upscale vs hole in wall input from dancers and custumers.

    Let me start this by saying that me personally preferr middle of the road to hole in the wall's for various reasons. but let me first give my perspective of each based on the clubs I've visited and worked in(bounced or managed).

    UPSCALE: those places it usually costs 20 - 30 dollars to get it or you have to buy a monthly/yearly membership .
    dancers usually range in age from 18 - 27 (with some exeptions) and they usually have a dress code.
    security usually walks around in suits that make them look like mafia legbreakerz. and many times they have featured dancers usually but not alwayz pornstars. and rule of thumb if have have to ask how much a lapdance is you cant afford to be there .
    They usually have valet parking, a door man and hostess so you've already tipped 3 people before you've seen your first dancer.
    they usually target corprate types , white collar workers and the occasional dope man .

    MIDDLEROAD: These places usually cost 3 - 10 dollars to get in , dancers usually range in age from 25 - 35 .
    with average to slightly above average looks.
    usually a modest dress code . security usually walks around in a black t-shirt with "SECURITY" written on the back.
    drinks are slightly overpriced . and they usually target trust fund college boys or upper blue collar types ,geting off work hanging out , shooting pool , etc etc .

    HOLE IN THE WALL: These places are usually free to get in . dancers usually range in age from 35 - 40+
    and usually have below avarage to average looks but usually have atleast one or two hot looking dancers
    but the rest tend to look road hard put up wet . or a few that are cute but a few pounds overwieght.
    security is usually some huge biker who's tattos look like the sistin chapal or some big yolked up brotha(that was my catigory) . drink prices are usually the same as at a regular bar . And the crowed is usually bikers ,truckers , lower blue collar types and college kids who dont have a trust fund in other words 60% of the popuation .

    Now the reason I like middle and hole in the wall is simple . When I spend my hard earned money I want the best I can get .
    though without a doubt upscale clubs tend to attract alot of dancers who have no place in custumer service .
    a guy blowing his wages at any buisiness should be made to feel like a king , be it a stripclub , reseraunt , retail store or barborshop/hairsalon because just like all the other buisinesses mentioned adult entertainment is also a buisness, and the first rule of buisiness is ......"The custumer is always right" and many (in all professions) have seemed to have forgoten that.
    now I'm not saying all women at upscale clubs are bad but MOST (not all) are rude, snobby and just plain bad people(with few exceptions with whom I'm still friends with". while in contrast most of the dancers at hole in the wall clubs tend to be MUCH friendlier, caring , and polite whitch adds to the fantisy. Plus they tend to give MUCH better table dances.
    thought of paying $20.00 - $60.00 for a long distance dance leaves me with shivers .

    All that being said ladies please dont hate me but all this is based on clubs I'VE been too so if things in your area are different then it does not apply to you . but I formed this opinion based on clubs in 5 different states that I've been to.
    luckely for me most of the upscale clubs are closeing down or facing problems with their cities so the hole in the walls which are in the outskirts of the cities get less attention from the law so i'm already seeing some of the hot strippers from dallas and arlington running to the clubs i frequent and having to compete with the nicer dancers they tend to leave their f^cked up atitude at the door .
    you see arlington is the city that the dallas cowboys are moving to and arlington is trying to clean up their image so they created the 6ft rule , meaning a dancer cant get within 6ft of you with her top off so now they are only topless on stage .
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    Looking at your location I'm guessing your talking about the different levels of Burch clubs, (you know what I mean)

    I'm at BD-Dallas, and I'd have to put that club as a middle only becuase we don't have a VIP. I personally have better luck at the nicer clubs.

    I'm in Arlington so I understand how they are trying to clean everything up, I give it another six months and the Fare and BD-Arlington will be shut down. I went in and looked at them when i was looking at clubs, I walked in and walked back out, scary!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SBM4Latinaz

    UPSCALE:
    security usually walks around in suits that make them look like mafia legbreakerz. and many times they have featured dancers usually but not alwayz pornstars. and rule of thumb if have have to ask how much a lapdance is you cant afford to be there .

    MIDDLEROAD: These places usually cost 3 - 10 dollars to get in , dancers usually range in age from 25 - 35 .
    with average to slightly above average looks.
    usually a modest dress code . security usually walks around in a black t-shirt with "SECURITY" written on the back.
    drinks are slightly overpriced .

    HOLE IN THE WALL: security is usually some huge biker who's tattos look like the sistin chapal or some big yolked up brotha(that was my catigory) . drink prices are usually the same as at a regular bar . And the crowed is usually bikers ,truckers , lower blue collar types and college kids who dont have a trust fund in other words 60% of the popuation .
    Very strange. At the clubs around here (which IMO vary between your MOR and Hole definitions), I can find elements of all three. At my home club, the bouncers are in tuxedos, the cover is $5, and the men's room would qualify as a Superfund site.

    Really, sans a few super-upscale palaces scattered about the country, I don't see that much of a difference between the palaces and the dives. If a lot of the palaces are closing down, its because they're catering to a customer demographic that in most parts of the country does not exist. We men don't go to SC's to feel intimidated by luxurious decor after all.
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    I have always worked in MOR/HOW clubs, and I have been told many many times that we dancers are much nicer/friendler than the girls at the big clubs.

    I would also say that the management attitude is much nicer/friendler than in the big clubs. When applying at the big clubs, I have always gotten the "don't call us, we'll call you" treatment, if I even got to the hiring manager. Which is too bad for them b/c I would have sold a ton of dances and made them a ton of $$, if they had not been so snotty to me.

    THe MOR/HOW clubs, OTOH, will tell you straight up, "you are not the type we are looking for" or else, in many cases, they just say "Gie it a try. If the gentlemen like you, you can stay."

    Big clubs have high house fees, lots of fines, and lots of rules. And they often have pretty girls beating down their door to get in there, so you can get fired in a heartbeat. Where I have auditioned at the big clubs, the dressing rooms are pretty much wallpapered with signs explaining how the girls need to behave in order to seem classy and what the finese and fees are to not following the rules. One club I was in, actaully had a sign stating that if the dancers pedicures were not up to standard, they would get a $20 fine! Sheesh! I like to keep myself up, but I am NOT going to disrupt my entire day jsut to get my chipped tonails fixed! ANother stated that dancers could not walk around the floor carrying a drink or a lit cigarette and were not under any circumstances to sit with a custy for more than 2 songs.

    All these rules woudl drive me nuts. NO wonder the girls in the big clubs seem distant and preoccupied. Either they are trying to pay thier house fees or some ridiculous fine doing nothing but air dances, or else they are trying to remember all the rules. I like it where I work mainly for the lack of meaningless rules.

    The smaller clubs are much more relaxed and have fewer "rules," most of which are designed to keep the club legal and profitable, not to enforce some knuclehead's idea of what looks "classy" or not.

    I have to take issue with your assesment of dancer quality, however. While the smaller clubs do hire a larger variety of girls, we are not ALL old, ugly, fat, and drug addicted. We have a huge variety of girls, from a lovely, sexy redhead to a sarah-jessica parker look alike to a couple of raven-haired beauties, to blondes, brunettes, and ethnic girls oft all types, heights, cup-sizes, weigthes, etc. And to be fair, we also have the token crack head and one "girl" who looks like Big Green MnM's animated signature thingy. While in the samller clubs you will find that there are a smaller number of dancers who suit your personal taste, there is definitely something for everyone!


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    I would also say that the management attitude is much nicer/friendler than in the big clubs. When applying at the big clubs, I have always gotten the "don't call us, we'll call you" treatment, if I even got to the hiring manager. Which is too bad for them b/c I would have sold a ton of dances and made them a ton of $$, if they had not been so snotty to me.
    I agree , there are too ways to make money ,markup and volume. sadly most dancers at upscale clubs use the former.
    and alot of larger clubs are either corprate owned or by some guy who got rich in some other buisiness and now is trying to live out his Hugh hefner fantisy hence his need to be sorounded by playmate types .
    I have to take issue with your assesment of dancer quality, however. While the smaller clubs do hire a larger variety of girls, we are not ALL old, ugly, fat, and drug addicted. We have a huge variety of girls, from a lovely, sexy redhead to a sarah-jessica parker look alike to a couple of raven-haired beauties, to blondes, brunettes, and ethnic girls oft all types, heights, cup-sizes, weigthes, etc. And to be fair, we also have the token crack head and one "girl" who looks like Big Green MnM's animated signature thingy. While in the samller clubs you will find that there are a smaller number of dancers who suit your personal taste, there is definitely something for everyone!
    again thats why i wrote the disclaimer about how different areas are diferent , the club you just discribed would be considered middle of the road here. and in my statement I did say that even here there are always a few baywatch types in the hole in wall clubs. But they tend to work when they want to work while the average and below average girlz are there everyday.
    I guess its the big fish in little pond mentality when a hottie works in a H.I.W .

    BTW: my preference is actually thick women , mostly latinaz with small waist, average breast and HUUUGGGEE ASSS!!
    not exactly the type you see in playboy but I like.
    and also one of my favorite dancerz is a heavy set white girl who prolly wieghs 170 at 5ft9 but i think 40llbs of it is ass.
    antother is a light skinned sista (black/italian) with hair down to the middle of her back(and its not weave I tested) .
    and another who is asian and about 40 but she gives the best table dances .

    so you see when I speak of hot I'm not projecting my own tastes I'm just useing terms fratboys can understand .
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    Default Re: upscale vs hole in wall input from dancers and custumers.

    Since I've never been to a high end club, my preference is the MOR or HIW club. The first club I started going to regularly would probably be considered a hole or worse by most on the board. Its a small BYOB club, Wildside Cabaret in Kenny IL. Though the club might be rough the dancers and management are cool and its a great place. I think the smaller clubs are generally more friendly and less pretenous than the bigger ones.

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    I think what sbm4latinaz said (for the most part) seems pretty accurate.

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    I like upscale to work in for several reasons:

    IT’s CLEAN.. freaks me out when couches, stages and tables are dirty.
    Higher spending customers .. 1 ++ guys can = a Great night ya know!!..
    Nicer atmosphere to spend my time in, dress nicer and all that
    Generally ok management
    Generally cleaner girls
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    HOLE IN THE WALL: These places are usually free to get in . dancers usually range in age from 35 - 40+
    No, I don't believe there are any SCs where the dancers range in age from 35-40+, lol

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    I've worked in a hole in the wall joint and the only advantage was we were closed Christmas, Easter and Thanksgiving and the DJ's got to play more than top 40.

    I think my club is upscale as far as it's reputation, quality of entertainers and clientele is concerned, but it's got a middle of the road feel. If we were a department store, we'd be Nordstrom. Not as stuffy as Neiman Marcus but much finer merchandise than Macy's.

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    No, I don't believe there are any SCs where the dancers range in age from 35-40+, lol
    if your ever in Ft.worth tx check out a club called "show girls" .
    its off the beaten path and my friends have nicknamed it the dancer graveyard.
    or you can also check out "honkytonk cafe" its in a rundown pink building on belknap street .
    and even though most of the dancerz are older white women , if you were to yell (IMMAGRATION!!!) all the custumers would run out .
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    Quote Originally Posted by SBM4Latinaz
    if your ever in Ft.worth tx check out a club called "show girls" .
    Are you sure you have the name right? it's not even listed in the 'Clubs and Reviews' section: http://www.stripperweb.com/stripclub....php?city=1707

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    Well, where I got my start was in a bad section of the city. There I worked with ladies that were in the 30-50 age group. They were dancers way past their prime. Although, the laides were still attractive, you could see the signs of age. Those ladies first taught me my first moves and dances.
    And what you say is true. It had a good working environment. The people in in it worked good together. Unlike the place where I'm at now, uptown, where nearly every girl is so mercenary and cut throat.

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    Are you sure you have the name right? it's not even listed in the 'Clubs and Reviews' section: http://www.stripperweb.com/stripclu...x.php?city=1707
    yes I got the name right and I was sad to see it was not in the reviews .
    one reason I think that is is because they are not even listed in the phonebook (they have no phone)
    all the dancers use the payphone on the wall by the bar .
    and also showgirls has been there longer than its compatition.
    whitch brings another thought .... if upscales are so great howcome upscale SC's come and go so quickly and hole in the wall's are usually there for decades ? just look on the wall at any hole in the wall and you see pictures of dancers that look like they were taken in the 50's .
    I personally think its about the mentality of the custumer.
    Upscale places tend to attract a trendy type crowd so they are gone soon as a newer hipper club opens .
    while hole in the walls tend to have the same people for years . I left Ft.worth in 90 and moved back in 98 and at my 2'nd favoret club "sinbads" the same custumers (and some dancers) were in there that were there 8 years before.
    what many dancers dont understand is , its not the intowners that blow 400 - 2,000 bucks in a night that keep the doors open
    its the guy that comes in with 20 - 40 bucks in his pocket that comes in every day, that's the guy who pays the light bill because thats the garantied incume . the big spending intowner is nice but you cant depend on him month to month .
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    Do you remember the old Deja Vu that was next to the old BabyDolls off northwest hwy? I went in there one night to look around and a really nice dancer came up to say Hi to me and when I asked her how long she had been dancing..... she went and got some picks.... she had been dancing since '78! So yes those clubs do exist.

    I've heard of the show girls in FTW, pretty much the same thing you said....

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    [QUOTE]Do you remember the old Deja Vu that was next to the old BabyDolls off northwest hwy? I went in there one night to look around and a really nice dancer came up to say Hi to me and when I asked her how long she had been dancing..... she went and got some picks.... she had been dancing since '78! So yes those clubs do exist.
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    nope I never went there and I'm not a big fan of babydoll's though I did like CHICAS LOCAS whitch is owned by the same company that owns babydolls but they have mostly hispanic women working there . but since arlington started trying to clean up there image chicas locas is just not fun anymore.


    I've heard of the show girls in FTW, pretty much the same thing you said....
    yep but I will say that the dancers are MUCH friendlier there , whitch is why i go.

    I like upscale clubs becuase on a good night I can make all of my money off of 1-2 guys. They are cleaner and in my experience better management.
    this is where I disagree . if management was so great at upscale clubs then why do they come and go so fast ?
    The lifespan of a high end club in dallas is 5 - 6 years , it just does not seem that way because they often keep the same name when they reopen under new managment/owner .
    while the hole in wallz I go to have been open since the 60's - 70's with the same owner or owned by the son/daughter/nephew/widow of the original owner .
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    I would guess this is b/c the smaller clubs are family owen businesses, while the bigger ones, since they take much more $$ to operate, are more corproate ventures. So if the owner has poured all his finaicial and personal resources into a place, he is much less likely to close up shop.


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    I prefer upscale ones and pure money clubs. if I cant make what I want I wont work there and if I feel that the clientale are mostly dirtbags I wont work there.
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    I prefer upscale ones and pure money clubs. if I cant make what I want I wont work there and if I feel that the clientale are mostly dirtbags I wont work there.
    define what you mean by dirtbag ? anyone who is not rich ? so I guess 80% of the country is a bunch of dirtbags .

    I've worked in clubs of all types , infact my first bouncing job was in a nude club that was mostly redneck.
    I got the job after I beat the crap out of some bubba for calling me the dreaded N word .
    you see the owner was a redneck as well but he treated me very well.
    I've learned that at ALL clubs you have dirtbags AND nice people .
    upscale dirtbags just wear suits and I've found that the big spenders tend to have less respect for the dancers than the custumers your type try to avoid .
    for the fact that most of the dancers here would not want to be judged by the profession you are in then it would go very far not to judge the custumers by their lot in life. I dont know if you've heard but the economy is not the greatiest right now .
    and chances are you earn more than many of the people you serve . you might be in it for the money , but your custumers still want to get their moneies worth , and the first rule of buisiness is the custumer is always right .
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    I prefer upscale clubs plain and simple. I would never work in a true mom and pop strip club. I did that before and it wasnt that great.
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    Chill out and keep it on topic and non-personal.

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    Chill out and keep it on topic and non-personal.

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    Of course you're right . And I apologise to all that may have been affended by my rant at her comment .
    It just that I've herd that mentality in some of the clubs I've worked in and at the one upper level M.O.R club I managed .
    at the one I managed girls who talked like that or would avoid "certain types" of cusumers would get fired .
    and some of the managers I worked for did the same even one manager who was a extreme redneck ,because in his words
    "bitch you're ignoring the guys who buy the most top dollar drinks in this place to sit with some guy sippin a damb bud !!!!"
    That had me laughing my ass off because he was right lol the guys she walked past were drinking 20 dollar a shot bourbon and had the bottle on the table and those were cusumers the GM did not want to loose he infact appologised for the dancerz behavier and bought them all table tances out of his pocket (but concidering how much they spent on booz the GM didnt loose anything"

    but places in dallas like the lounge, the gentalmens club , Texas showgirls ,the platnum club ,and privege mens club are known for snobby and rude dancers who are too lazy to earn their money .
    give me showgirls or sinbad's anyday they actually WANT to make money .
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    To modify a quote by Groucho Marx, I personally wouldn't want to go into a club that would have me as a customer.
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    To modify a quote by Groucho Marx, I personally wouldn't want to go into a club that would have me as a customer.
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    Default Re: upscale vs hole in wall input from dancers and custumers.

    I just have to jump in here...

    Actually, in my experience, most of the dancers at the upscale clubs are 28-35. The more upscale clubs are better as the clientele tends to have more money and the earning potential is much higher.

    In my experience, only the 18-23 year olds work, mainly, at the hole in the wall clubs. Why? Because most HITW clubs cannot get liqour licenses and so they are allowed to hire 18 year olds. It was also the kind of clubs in which you were more apt to run into drugged out, pregnant, crazy-insane stripper chicks who give the rest of the dancers/strippers bad names.

    I've worked at HITW clubs, and let me tell you that I would never, ever do it again. Not only is the earning potential much lower, but so is the clientele. Did wealthy people ever go into those establishments? Sure...but they were few and far between. The majority of the men (boys) that came into the club had no money and wanted to know how much they could get for $1.

    At my Upscale club...I made lots of money. And, while I still had problems with some grabby, classless guys...the majority of the guys that came into the club were more well-behaved. Yes, the charge is $20 to get in. But, at least it weeded out the "poor" guys who most likely wouldn't spend any money anyways.

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