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    Default General Discontent brewing over America's Institutions

    The New Orleans Shame
    The Questionable Wars
    The Billion Dollar Corporate Scandals
    Media Incompetence (think Dan Rather)
    Questionable Intelligence Agencies
    Civil Liberties (think PATRIOT)
    Abu Ghraib
    Oil Dependency
    Uncontrollable Terrorism
    Outsourcing of Manufacturing and R&D Jobs

    The brew is stirring. America's Institutions are showing their crumbling foundations.

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    It's about damn time too !

    I guess late is better than never

    I also think it is important to note which political party is at fault, caused or was behind most of these things.

    I miss the Clinton years when the economy was doing great and a blowjob was about the worst scandal we had going on.

    Personally I don't EVER want another republican President . This one has left such a bad taste in my mouth that I doubt I could support a republican for any political office ever again.
    Last edited by SW Siren; 09-03-2005 at 11:46 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SW Siren
    It's about damn time too !

    I guess late is better than never

    I also think it is important to note which political party is at fault, caused or was behind most of these things.

    I miss the Clinton years when the economy was doing great and a blowjob was about the worst scandal we had going on.

    Personally I don't EVER want another republican President . This one has left such a bad taste in my mouth that I doubt I could support a republican for any political office ever again.
    I think it is both parties. On Clinton's watch, a lot of stuff was overlooked (like growing threats of terrorism and corporate malfeasance.)

    Hopefully the country will bust a nut and get a little more mellow again.

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    its those dam corporations which sustain and are the "ECONOMY"

    oh the economy. i dont think its the politicians.. they are just the guys who do the deals to supply and sustain Corporate needs.


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    It's not the institutions that are the problem, the problem is WHO is in charge.

    We don't need to change our systems or institutions, just our leaders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlabtot
    It's not the institutions that are the problem, the problem is WHO is in charge.

    We don't need to change our systems or institutions, just our leaders.
    I'll assume you are talking about political leadership.

    I don't know about that. Both parties have been pretty disappointing.

    What does the political leadership have to do with the failing news organizations (aka Rathergate and 15 second "scoops" and day long diatribes about Aruba... etc.)

    What does the political leadership have to do with the increasing corruption with corporations/companies? About breaking the social contract with their workers? Of increasingly putting out shoddy products (yet another recall last week!) Of creating more Walmart jobs and less advanced jobs (sending R&D over seas.)

    Replacing political leaders is the easy part!

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    I don't know about that. Both parties have been pretty disappointing.
    WTF are you talking about? There is ONE PARTY IN CHARGE, THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

    Republicans control the Presidency, the House, the Senate and the Supreme Court.

    Blaming Democrats makes as much sense as blaming Martians.

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    Uh-oh. <senses P.poo shoot-out. I think everything's a frickin' mess. I don't know about anyone else, but I for one am getting a lil' sick of being exhorted to contribute $ (by richies making like 5 X the average, (not that I'm being unsympathic, I am making a clothing donation) to Kat. storm victims. Hello, Gov't. ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by dlabtot
    It's not the institutions that are the problem, the problem is WHO is in charge.

    We don't need to change our systems or institutions, just our leaders.
    Bravo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whirlerz
    Uh-oh. <senses P.poo shoot-out. I think everything's a frickin' mess. I don't know about anyone else, but I for one am getting a lil' sick of being exhorted to contribute $ (by richies making like 5 X the average, (not that I'm being unsympathic, I am making a clothing donation) to Kat. storm victims. Hello, Gov't. ?
    I have to agree. I don't mind contributing to the Red Cross, but one of the reasons I pay taxes is so that the government would have the resources to protect it's citizens and help them in times of emergency. Taxes are good. Taxes are how we as citizens pool our financial resources to acheive our common goals.

    Let's face it, the problems with the response to Katrina are totally unrelated to money. The problems are directly related to the priorities of our political leaders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlabtot
    WTF are you talking about? There is ONE PARTY IN CHARGE, THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

    Republicans control the Presidency, the House, the Senate and the Supreme Court.

    Blaming Democrats makes as much sense as blaming Martians.
    Short memory, yes?

    P.S. The democrats were in charge of Lousiana.

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    Speaking of both corporate scandals and taxation

    link

    Um, yeah, I know Halliburtion is based in Houston, which is near both Louisiana and Mississippi, but they can't find another freakin' construction corporation in the entire southern U.S.? One which doesn't have a possible conflict of interest due to the executive position the the current VP of the U.S. once held at Halliburton? Sheesh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol
    Short memory, yes?

    P.S. The democrats were in charge of Lousiana.
    Are you referring to the Governor of Louisiana? The Governor of Louisiana did not send the Louisiana National Guard to Iraq. The Governor or Louisiana did not divert money needed for levee maintenance and disaster preperation to Iraq. The Governor of Louisiana did not remove disaster preparedness from the purview of FEMA and fail to assign it to another agency. The Governor of Louisiana did not fly to San Diego for a fundraiser as the storm was hitting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlabtot
    Are you referring to the Governor of Louisiana? The Governor of Louisiana did not send the Louisiana National Guard to Iraq. The Governor or Louisiana did not divert money needed for levee maintenance and disaster preperation to Iraq. The Governor of Louisiana did not remove disaster preparedness from the purview of FEMA and fail to assign it to another agency. The Governor of Louisiana did not fly to San Diego for a fundraiser as the storm was hitting.
    Sounds like the governor has been pretty irresponsible with her people. Why didn't they hire some of the poor people and build up that levee? Why didn't they follow their own disaster plan (especially when you could see the storm coming days on end.) Why didn't Louisiana have it's own disaster agency (like other states do?)

    I guess the federal government just swooped in and took all the people, eh? Not like there isn't anyone to be trained or the like.

    Why does Louisiana have all these problems compared to northern Lousiana, Mississippi, and Alabama all have wiped out cities and towns too?

    You cannot simply lay this at the door step of George Bush and the Republicans. There is a lot of blame to go around with this fuck up.

    Lets add to the picture the role street gangs have played in this. These are a bunch of goofs thinking "Hey - I think I am going to shoot at some helicopters." My bets are on the street gangs gone wild and junkies cut off from their dope. Permissiveness and state/local corruption are at the heart of this mess.

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    ^^^ It's like a self-parody...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaedrusZ
    Speaking of both corporate scandals and taxation



    Um, yeah, I know Halliburtion is based in Houston, which is near both Louisiana and Mississippi, but they can't find another freakin' construction corporation in the entire southern U.S.? One which doesn't have a possible conflict of interest due to the executive position the the current VP of the U.S. once held at Halliburton? Sheesh!
    oh they could but they just don't want to because then it would be alot harder to run their scams

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    This is how it goes, from the micro to the macro level. There's a problem that needs solving, or many problems that need solving, and the emotional energy goes into finger-pointing more than it does solutions.

    I see it all the time - in the micro level, with my business, in the macro level with politics. Makes me crazy. Not that what makes me crazy matters at all. But there's better ways to direct our energies, people.

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    but without pointing out the problems how do any of them get addressed or solved ?

    I think we need to get to the root cause of the problems and who is behind them

    and for the most part in the problems listed here it is rightwingers and the actions and policies

    get rid of the rightwingers in power and most of the problems will be dealt with and then go away

    sure there are some bad dems too and they should also be weeded out

    but when we have over 90% republican caused problems then it only makes sense to get rid of those who are causing the problems

    if America is serious about fixing things then we need to get rid of the rightwingers in power otherwise these problems will continue and multiply

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    I miss the Clinton years when the economy was doing great and a blowjob was about the worst scandal we had going on.
    You weren't paying attention then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer
    You weren't paying attention then.
    wrong

    I can tell I'm on your target list ( someone opposing Bush often has that effect on his diehard followers) so as of now welcome to the lovely world of the ignore feature !

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    Quote Originally Posted by SW Siren
    but without pointing out the problems how do any of them get addressed or solved ?
    You get housing for the displaced homeless. You get food for the hungry. You get clothes for those without a change to their name.

    Then you go into finger-pointing. It's that hierarchy of needs thing. (Although we already know who will get fingers pointed at by whom.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zeno
    You get housing for the displaced homeless. You get food for the hungry. You get clothes for those without a change to their name.

    Then you go into finger-pointing. It's that hierarchy of needs thing. (Although we already know who will get fingers pointed at by whom.)
    well I donated my blood and five grand that was just this week alone.

    I have helped build houses for HFH and plan to do it again soon

    I want to take in some abandoned animals from the gulf coast too

    but I guess none of that is enough to quailfy me to speak my thoughts huh

    funny , I thought the 1st Amendment was all I needed but I guess not

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    Quote Originally Posted by SW Siren
    well I donated my blood and five grand that was just this week alone.

    I have helped build houses for HFH and plan to do it again soon

    I want to take in some abandoned animals from the gulf coast too

    but I guess none of that is enough to quailfy me to speak my thoughts huh

    funny , I thought the 1st Amendment was all I needed but I guess not
    This post does not do you well.

    You are being incredibly partisan when most people recognize the problem is across both parties (which in more and more people's opinion is the same party but for the rhetoric.)

    You would do yourself a favor if you took your blinders off and acknowledged the democrats and republicans have been f'in over this country for the last 25 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol
    This post does not do you well.

    You are being incredibly partisan when most people recognize the problem is across both parties (which in more and more people's opinion is the same party but for the rhetoric.)

    You would do yourself a favor if you took your blinders off and acknowledged the democrats and republicans have been f'in over this country for the last 25 years.

    absolutly there are problems on both sides and I have said so , even right here in this topic actually

    Quote Originally Posted by SW Siren

    there are some bad dems too and they should also be weeded out
    it's just that there are so many more on the right side than the left from what i've seen and so yay I openly admit that has colored my opinions

    I'm pretty partisian these days , it's true.

    it's a cause and effect thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by SW Siren
    well I donated my blood and five grand that was just this week alone.

    I have helped build houses for HFH and plan to do it again soon

    I want to take in some abandoned animals from the gulf coast too

    but I guess none of that is enough to quailfy me to speak my thoughts huh

    funny , I thought the 1st Amendment was all I needed but I guess not
    That's wonderful. The point of my posting, which is being studiously ignored, was to say why don't we, as a country or as a species, spend our emotional energy on getting needs met and basic survival into place and put the finger-pointing a distant second.

    If you or anybody want to go around blaming the Republicans or Democrats or (more appropriately) Mother Nature and stupid urban planning, be my guest. You can use disasters to promote agendas and make your points. Absolutely. I don't think it's productive or properly prioritized, but you're free to do that.

    And if you want to twist that into some kind of "violate First Amendment" nonsense, you can do that, too. It's tiresome, no matter what forum it's in, but you can do that.

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