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    Im new to stripping and working in Canada. Today I did a PD for a man, and he started complaining 'is this all I get, the other girl (and he describes another dancer) was touching me all over, I was touching her all over' etc. He said she was touching his crotch over his pants - and he got several dances from her and was very happy. He seemed genuinely shocked & very annoyed that I wasnt allowing touching. I dont touch like that or let them touch my breasts. He got 1 dance from me and that was it, but got several from her. She does really well - and every guy who goes with her gets a few dances, never just 1.
    Im prettier than her- shes older but still pretty. I know some men do appreciate beauty, but Im finding most men spend lots of money on the one that do extras.

    I think in Canada touching is the norm now .

    Its very hard as the club isn't too busy and there are only a few girls on - but how do you make money when dancers are offering much more value for money?

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    I've always said "unfortunately some girls have to do more than others for their money". There's always going to be a couple nasty girls at every club. If a guy is looking for that, he WILL find it so be glad to not waste more time with the loser. Also, you mentioned you are new. OF COURSE HE'S GOING to tell you she did that so YOU will compete or think it's OK!! NEVER believe the customer!!Keep a close eye on her in the future to see if she is that way. If so, call it out! Tell the bouncer, mgr, etc. WHILE she's doing it so she gets caught red-handed and gets red in the face as well!

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    Snowy_chic is right. You can't believe anything a customer tells you. Many of them will tell you ANYthing just to see how far you'll go, push your limits. Stick to your limits and don't worry about what other girls are doing. Don't bother trying to watch other girls, just keep your mind on your hustle - wasting time on other girls doesn't make you money - it only takes time you could be spending hustling. There will always be someone who will do more than you for the money, you just have to focus on selling what YOU offer and make the best of it.

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    No offense intended, but in some clubs in some parts of canada a dancer 'touching his crotch over his pants' is considered abnormally 'clean'. If you are working in such a club, then the customer 'complaints' you received were understandable from the customer's standpoint.

    If this is the situation you're working in, then it will indeed be difficult to make decent money on a sustained basis if most girls offer 'extras'. if most customers expect 'extras', and if customers discover that you're not willing to offer the same. It's not impossible to do so, but it will definitely test your salesmanship skills.

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    i breifly worked in a club where the "rule" was "no touching" but really it was more like "you do whatever you want as long as it pulls in the cash." i was literally the only non-contact girl in the entire club, and the only one not offering extras of any kind.

    how did i deal with it? to be honest, i didn't. i quit. i was working 9 hours a day and making between $40-$100, and that was always from stage shows. the girls at this club relied heavily on the few regulars that came in all the time to make their money, and the regulars weren't interested in me when they realised i wasn't putting out. not only that, i found out that club had a pretty bad reputation and i didn't want my name assosciated with a club where girls were known for giving hand jobs and letting guys finger them in the VIP room. simply, i was just not able to make money there.

    your situation may be different to that though. if there's some girls doing extras, and some who aren't, then it should be ok. as long as you aren't the only girl who isn't offering extras, you may be able to make money. you'll have to work a lot harder and REALLY develop some amazing hustling skills.

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    um, yeah. Don't report her to the manager. Really. The manager won't care, and where are you in Canada? I'm in Toronto, and a certain amount of contact is standard here. I don't touch anyone's penis myself, but I don't really watch everyone. I ask girls when I walk in the changeroom (and there are only two of us) what the norm of contact is, and I do that. If I can't or choose not to I either make a go of it at my personal limit or I leave the club. There is no point in going into a club and then demanding that it change to meet your standards. That is not really the way any business works. On the other hand, there are a couple of girls here who seem to work in very low contact clubs - try looking in club chat or whatever.

    Further - some customers are really annoying that way. I worked at this one quite unpleasant club (no, don't ask why. I just way) and the customers were frequently telling me how much the other girls would do to try and make me do it - whether it was kiss them, dance cheap, whatever. They may or may not be telling the truth - that is not your concern. Sneaking around the club watchdogging the other girls is bound to uncover something, yes - but it will be something that nobody cares about in the end, everyone will hate you and make your life miserable, and it is just going to take up time you could be spending making your own money. If you find the club is unprofitable FOR ANY REASON, find another one.
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    Ther is more than one way to define "value." You can gie "value" in a stunning presrentation, an awesome dance, or some additional LEGAL service.

    There are a few threads on this already, in this forum and in Hustle Hut. My strategy is, I sell a completely diferent product than the extras girls. I always look impeccable, have inteligent conversations, and do everything I can to ooze "class" and "charm." It attracts a different type of guy.

    I wear MORE clothes than any other girl in the club. This discourages the ones that jsut want to ogle for free. One of my most successful dresses is a street-clothes copy of the white halter dress Maralyn Monroe wore in the famous picture wher e she is standing over the subway grating. Another good one is a black pants outfit that I bought at Discovery. I find that if I wear a lot of clothes, they want to know what is I have under there. If they immediately start fucking with me and asking why I don't have my ass hanging out like everybody else, I tell them I don't have to. The guys who make a big deal out of it, I know are trouble. They are usually the grabby, cheap ones.

    Another way I compete is, I give the best, strongest contact dance I can give, within the rules of the club. That means, heave grinding, lots of sensual touching on the legs, chest, etc, blowing in the ears, body slides, fake b.j.'s, etc. I also put my ankle on thier shoulder (facing both toward and away from them) and make sure they get a good look at my thong. Fake masturbation is good, too. Essentailly, my act is a very classy girl who gets REALLY down n dirty in a dance. You have to be really really creative with your dance and figure out how many different things you can do without crossing the line.

    IF they want to know why I dont do X, my reply is either "Because it's against houe rules, and I love my job." or else, "Because I do so much OTHER awesome stuff, I don't ahve time to do all the same things the other girls do. " If you are going to use the second one, you will have to follow it up.

    Another thing I do, I start each sales pitch with a VERY GOOD backrub or head massage. I don't mean, I stand there and stroke their backs; I mean, I give a GOOD massage. FOr a whole song. So then, before the dance even starts, they think they have already gotten something special. Most of the time I get a tip for the backrub, regardaless of whether they buy a dance. And sometimes, depending on the crowd, I will spend the whole night giving backrubs to guys who later go on to buy dances from extras girls. I make as much or more than many of the E. G.'s and frequently don't have to work as hard.


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    Thanks for all the advice! I know some of the custys lie to get u to do more, but once a custy felt so ripped off my me that he asked the manager what the rules were - as he had got a lot of milage in our club. I told the manager that he had danced with another girl who was high contact and was upset I didnt allow him to touch me -and they dont care. From speaking to my male friends and other dancers - all clubs in Toronto seem to be contact/dirty. So I do my best to get at least 1 dance from as many people as possible. I've had custys ask before a dance 'what is allowed?', and when I say there is no contact they decline the dance. There are some men who like beauty and class, but many dont care about looks and just want high mileage.

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    There is no point in going into a club and then demanding that it change to meet your standards. That is not really the way any business works.
    This is a sad but absolutely true fact. Given lax law enforcement, given customers willing to spend big money on 'extras', and given girls willing to provide 'extras' who are also sharing a percentage of their earnings with the club, the vast majority of clubowners will go where the money is every time.

    In fact, in this scenario, a dancer who is not willing to do 'extras' and who complains to the clubowner about the existance of 'extras' in his club, is only reminding the clubowner that the complaining girl is occupying space in his club without providing the club much financial return in the form of private dance/VIP percentage.

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    Actually, we don't generally share a percentage here, so that wouldn't be it. Honestly to me this seems analagous to a girl who generally works topless going to work in a nude club and complaining about the fact that none of the girls are wearing bottoms. Different cities have different standards of contact; it would stupid to go to Houston, start dancing and then complain that they are not air dances. Contact in Toronto is, honestly, kind of the standard in this business. At least it doesn't seem to be any higher than any American city in which I have worked (or, for that matter, any city where anyone I know has worked) and the working conditions are high compared to most places where there is similar potential income.
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    I hate it when custies do that! 9 out of 10 times they're either over exaggerating or just plain lying. If that's the case, why are you wasting your time on me when you got a slam dunk skank over there?

    On the flip side I had a guy tell another dancer that I was a "dirty girl". When she confronted me I just started laughing. Throughout the entire dance all I did was talk dirty to him and occasionally pretend to touch myself. That's what he got off on. There was no contact involved.

    I was getting a lot of dances on my sets that day too, so she was like,"well there's got to be a reason you're always more busy than a lot of us!" I just smiled and told her it might be because I'm not taking up so much time starting petty bullshit.

    My point is, it's never very constructive to waste you time wondering how someone else makes more $$$ than you. Chances are, they don't make as much money as you think even if they are breaking laws.

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    I am surprised that all they are doing is touching. In all honesty, if you are not going to allow two way contact dances including stimulating their genitalia while dancing for them, you are not going to be successful as a dancer there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mia M
    I hate it when custies do that! 9 out of 10 times they're either over exaggerating or just plain lying. If that's the case, why are you wasting your time on me when you got a slam dunk skank over there?
    I think that all the time! We're a blue-collar but very clean club, with supportive management and lots of surveillance cameras. There is no drug abuse, no extras, no theft, or any of that shit. All the management, bouncers, and floor guys are honest and clean. So none of us do extras because we don't have to.

    Only a couple blocks away, there is another club, the Playpen, which has a reputation for being really skanky; the girls there all get fingered and do tons of extras, including full-out sex. I get guys all the time who ask what kind of mileage they'll get or ask for various sex acts I won't do. When I tell them no, they invariably come back with, "They do it at the Playpen!" Well, take your cheap ass to the Playpen then! Why are you here if it's so great over there?

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    LOL Yekhefa! I hear that all the time, too!

    Me: If it's better at Carl's, then go to Carl's.

    Him: But the dances are cheaper here.

    Me: That's because we are legal and are not saving up to bail ourselves out of jail!

    --OR--

    Me: Oh, so you are in MY bar, and you want to pay MY price, but you want the dance they gine at the OTHER bar . . . . . . hmmmmm. . . . . . Ever hear the one about the guy who lost his keys in a dark alley but he was looking for them under the street lamp because the light was better?

    Him: I don't get it.

    Me: That's fine. Then go to Carls and think about it.


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    Honestly i wouldn't want to dance for those type of guys anyways. If i can tell by their attitude they are gonna be expecting something or if i give a dance and they are all open mouthed and grabbing my hand and trying to get me to touch them, I tell them they need to cool off and walk away(i get paid up front). Let some other dancer deal with that, it is money i don't want and if i didn't have options i wouldn't be in this business. It's just me but i do find it personally degrading when customers assume i wil trade actual sexual acts for money. They aren't worth my time, they will always be there. I don't consider it losing money, and i like to leave them knowing it was my decesion they didn't get the dance and not theirs.

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