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    How is it living in Las Vegas not just as a dancer but just as a regular person living life and pay bills.

    Would you say its safe there? What are the people like? I havent really experienced vegas for all it is. I would love to move somewhere where its a bit cheaper, hurricane/crazy weather free, and earthquake free. I would love to buy a house somewhere after dancing and I think it would be a nice place to settle down.

    How come the housing prices havent exploded there like it has in many other places? Either that or I need to read more news.
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    I asked Dan why he thought the housing prices & rentals were so cheap there. He figures that they keep it cheap to get everyone into the casinos to gamble all their cash away.. LOL

    We had thought about moving there when we were throwing around the idea of moving to TN. But, we didn't know a hell of a lot about the place to wanna move over there.

    Seems like it'd be exciting though, and I'd be interested in hearing about the regular life there as well.

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    I think the housing price has exploded in the past couple of years. Median price around $300,000 + with yearly appreciation 20% and higher

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    TigersMilk-I lived in Vegas for 3 years. There are benefits to it and not. The one thing I can say is if you have ANY kind of addiction to gambling or an addictive personality, it can be very hard place to live. Keep that in mind. If you are ok with that aspect you become numb to the temptation to gamble and drink.
    Beyond the strip, life is pretty normal. With the exception of machines EVERYWHERE, gas station, grocery store, etc...you are bombarded with the tease of gambling.
    I lived on both the east and west side of the valley. Housing prices have increased, but if you are coming from somewhere like NYC or L.A. they would seem alot cheaper. Same goes for car insurance prices. You kind of trade one thing for another. Depending on what kind of car you have, registering it can be pricey. You really need a car in Vegas, the public transportation system is weak. The one utility bill that can be VERY high is your electric. Due to the massive use of air conditioning. It wasn't uncommon for me to have a $200+ or more bill per month for electric. All the other bills, phone, cable etc...they were all pretty standard to other cities. There is no state income tax. The sales tax is 7.5%. Property taxes are fairly low.
    It's a transient town, lots of people coming and going. I can't even tell you how many different neighbors I had in just 3 years. For some it works out, others literally pack up and leave in middle of the night because they are so far back on rent from gambling. I bought a house there on the east side of the valley at first. Then I realized how dumpy the east side was, so I sold it and moved to the southwest side. Much nicer on the southwest and west side.
    The people, well I met some nice ones, but you also have to keep one eye open. People come there to hustle, it's hard core hustle town. I would say, when you meet someone keep your guard up until you really know what their story is. Just be street smart.
    The weather and scenery are beautiful. Red Rock Canyon is great. You have decent access to LA, (ocean view for short drive). Lake Mead is ok, kinda dirty water though.
    I would say I liked it overall. It was fun, we would like to get another place as a vacation home there. But I wouldn't want to live there year round.

    Here are some useful websites:

    Relocating info:
    http://www.movetolasvegas.com/

    Official State Of Nevada website:
    http://www.nv.gov/

    Official City Of Las Vegas website:
    http://www.lasvegasnevada.gov/

    I hope this helps and if you have any questions feel free to ask me.

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    That helps alot Former_LV_Dancer. I was wonder that the temptation to go out all the time and party would be great. The 1st website has a listing of crime stats. I always worry about living in an unknown place. Ive been in SD for 1.5 years now and Im still on guard.

    The need to travel and see at least some place before I go off and get married (one day) is high. Good to know your overall experience was pretty good. Your words give me alot to think about.
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    TigersMilk-
    A couple other things, it's not as cheap as it was. With all the growth Vegas has had, housing is reasonable, but I wouldn't say "cheap" as it once was. It's in line with other cities of similar size.
    Average rent/mortgage $1000 and up per month (I'm talking somewhere decent and roomy)
    Utilities $450 (Electric, phone, cable, etc. sometimes more in the very hot months when you crack the air conditioning)
    Car $500 (just an average between payment and insurance, increase of course if you have a luxury vehicle)
    Food $600 (average of $20 per day)
    Misc. $200 (of course that will vary, just tossed an average out)

    $2750 per month

    When I lived there I had to make $3,500 per month to live comfortably. Then of course more to put money into savings etc.
    So some people have this image that it's next to nothing to live there and it's pretty much like alot of other cities.
    You do get more house/apt. for your money. Sq. ft. and luxuries you might not get other places.
    One other thing is the health care. If you have no insurance it's not good. When I first moved there I got a sinus infection (big climate change can make your system go screwy) I went to an emergency room, they wouldn't let me leave without giving them $200 towards the bill. I had to put it on a credit card after them arguing with me and treating me like crap. And the care I got was sub standard. In general Vegas is lacking good hospitals and doctors. I have a few health problems and was really dissapointed in the quality of care they provided compared to my doctors I had back in Wisconsin. Now I'm living in NYC and the health care is fabulous, but you have the benefit of it being NYC so there are some incredible facilities here.
    So if you have any health issues try and get recommendations to doctors there and check into things.
    One thing I loved...there are NO mosquitos! It was a pleasure to sit poolside at night with no bugs! And, if you have pets....no ticks or fleas due to the dry climate. But if you take your animals out of Las Vegas, like to Mt. Charleston or something there are ticks there in the wooded areas.
    There are probably a million things I could share...LOL...but I hope you find a place and do well where ever you might end up.

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    I was planning on moving to Miami after I'm finished with college, but Vegas is where I'll be headed to.

    I love hearing what it's like out there. I've never been to LV yet. I'm from NYC so I need to live in a city where there is a lot to do. I'll be going into the healthcare field, so it shouldn't be a problem finding work in the hospitals.

    Although what former_LV_dancer wrote about the healthcare problems, I've heard about a few times. Apparently the mayor or some city official needed surgery and flew to another state to get it done.

    That's scary lol.

    But the shopping, tell me about the shopping!!

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    las vegas is cool as long as you dont let the city eat u alive... ive seen it chew up and spit out ALOT of people... formerdancer is pretty much dead on about everything she said .... my favorite part about living in las vegas is its only 3 or 4 hours from the beach in cali... so u get the best of both world... desert and mountains and all night party life and predictable weather ... and then just a 3 hour drive away cali and the beaches and the laid back atmosphere

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    If you are in NYC now, the shopping in Vegas is about the same, you'll find all the same desinger stuff you do in Manhattan. So if you have plenty of $$$ you'll have fun shopping. It's like being on 5th Ave. or Madison Ave. except you're inside a casino.
    They deperately need good health care workers in Vegas. So you'll do great in that field.

    las vegas is cool as long as you dont let the city eat u alive... ive seen it chew up and spit out ALOT of people...
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    Oh yeah. I saw many people crumble, become drug addicts, prostitutes, lose everything they own. I was amazed at it. Like I said before if you have an addictive personality to gambling, drinking, partying, etc....be warned. I'm serious. The temptation is strong out there and you have keep things in check.

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    I have lived in Henderson before and agree with the non-existent mosquito population being a major plus.Down here in New Orleans,you can't walk to your car without being bombarded by dozens of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by catmans200
    I think the housing price has exploded in the past couple of years. Median price around $300,000 + with yearly appreciation 20% and higher
    That is the main reason I haven't moved out there.

    I just left Vegas yesterday (a working vacation) and this subject was on the local news at least 5 times in just one weeks time

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    Oh look, finally a question on SW I'm able to answer!
    Okay, I've lived here in Vegas since I was in Middle School, which means I've been here for 8 years (which is practically forever in Vegas terms!).
    Honestly? Wouldn't recommend it. I was actually just talking about this in an email to a friend, lemme see if I can copy and paste the relevent parts:

    It's really not as cool living in Vegas as you'd think, yes, there are a lot of Bright Lights, but this town is built on tourists, on giving them the time of their lives for a few days, and then sending them back home. What this means is an entire city based on artifice, on giving the visitors what they want, which is always a fantasy. So the town works around a fantasy, every part of it, strippers, hookers, casino moguls, big elaborate stage shows, all just catering to the imaginations America. So all the residents, even those not directly involved in the industry, become these dehumanized...characters working to feed into America's Wet Dream.
    Once you get past the swankiness and the posh hotel/casinos of the Strip, it's all either a mass of middle class drones desperate to make Vegas like the home they came from, or seedy characters in a gritty concrete graveyard aging under the desert sun. Las Vegas loses its charm after you lose your third friend to a meth addiction as they try to find that elusive, 24 hour Party Town that the rest of the world tells them they live in. All my friends are either slowly spiraling into the oblivion that lies beneath this glitzy town, trying to pull themselves out of the vortex (addictions, destructive lifestyles) caused by this town., or trying like hell to get out of this fucking town. Some are doing more than one of these. Myself included.
    That's Vegas babe, and when they say "What Happens in Vegas, Stays in Vegas" it's only because you can't escape.
    Okay okay, so that's my view of the city with all my personal baggage attached. Which makes it pretty damn subjective.

    So here's what I can give you without the emotional bit:

    PROS:
    -Possibly cheaper cost of living, depending on where you come from.
    -can be easier to find a job (I'm sure you'll have no problem )
    -no state income tax
    -cheap education for residents
    -most people will be just as "new" to town as you
    -Vegas is just coming into it's own, so this is an interesting time to be here
    -good clubs, restaurants, shows
    -everyone will want to visit YOU
    -winters here are great
    -Red Rock Canyon is less than an hour away, as is a ski resort at Mt. Charleston.
    -even as a local, it's thrilling to go to the strip (though chances are, you'll only do so about once every two years)

    CONS:
    -it's fucking hot for a good portion of the year
    -agressive drivers
    -because the town is no transient, there's no real personality. It lacks the vibrance of other big cities, and the absence is greatly felt. Vegas is 95% strip malls and chain stores.
    -You have to share it with about 8 million drunken frat boys making asses of themselves in public and screaming "WOOO!!! Vegas Baby!" at the top of their lungs.
    -The US government is planning on dumping all it's nuclear waste very close to the city.
    -horrible public transportation, public libraries, public schools, public ANYTHING
    -Ugly, ugly, ugly, wave goodbye to "charm"
    -HUUUUUGE meth town.

    Eh, this is turning into a rant, you get the drift.

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    You said it well. I visited Vegas for 10 years, 7-10 times per year before I took the plunge and moved there. After 3 years living there in 2001, 2002, 2003 I saw everything you described. Beyond the artificial glitz....it has a very dark ugly side that alot of people get sucked into. After 3 years, as much as I wanted to move there, and as much I loved the weather and scenery I was burned out on living in Vegas. The only thing I miss living in NYC now is the palm trees...what does that say?

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    Jenny mentions the agressive drivers. OMG is she right.

    I think driving on the strip (and it isn't much better of it either) is about the worst I have seen in the entire world except maybe Rome.

    I do love to working vacations there though

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    Hmm thanks for the insight everyone...

    Nyc has some terrible aggressive drivers also so I'm used to that.

    Are there banks or stores (other than groceries/convenience stores) that are open after midnight? I thought I heard someone say that, but I'm not sure.

    If someone were to move there for about 6mos, would that be enough time to decide whether to make a permanent stay? Or will I be starry-eyed still by the 6th month?

    I have read blogs by people online that say they never visit the strip and the rest of the town outside of that is like Anywhere, USA for that matter.

    Anyone agree with this?

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    Are there banks or stores (other than groceries/convenience stores) that are open after midnight? I thought I heard someone say that, but I'm not sure.

    If someone were to move there for about 6mos, would that be enough time to decide whether to make a permanent stay? Or will I be starry-eyed still by the 6th month?

    I have read blogs by people online that say they never visit the strip and the rest of the town outside of that is like Anywhere, USA for that matter.

    Anyone agree with this?
    At the 6th month mark I was settled in, but it still had that "fun" side. About a year into living there I was over it. And I never went to the strip unless I had friends in town that wanted to go there. I avoided it actually. Just like in NYC Times Square, the tourists are a pain in the butt. Glad they come and spend their money, but so annoying to be around.
    Away from the strip, yes it's "anywhere USA". Strip malls, etc. looks the same as any other city. The only difference is at all gas stations, grocery stores, bars, and stuff there are slot machines.
    As for banks being open 24/7, no. Stores, like retail clothing, no. Away from the strip it's just average life. More fast food restuarants are open 24 hours than most cities I've been to.

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    I've lived here for two years and I'm burned out allready. I loved it for the first 9 months, and there are things about it I still love, like the fact that you can make up your own schedule... it's not 9-5 like other towns, and there are tons of other people like me who sleep all day and stay up all night.

    I've just found that most of the people out here are sort of soul-less. It's hard to make "real" friendships out here, and the dating scene for young people pretty much blows.

    I disagree with the people who say that the only craziness is on the strip and the rest is like Anytown, USA. What other town has 24 hour bars in every strip mall packed with locals spending all their money on video-poker here.

    I heard it said in Strip City by Lily Beranua (which is a GREAT story a girl wrote about how she danced her way accross the country READ THAT BOOK NOW)

    "Vegas is like a big hole in the dessert. People come out here, do everything they can't do at home, dump all their psychic garbage, and leave. But the negative energy stays here and permeates everything with a sense of seediness.)

    That is so true

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    One of my good friends is a Vegas native (ex-dancer). When I've visited Vegas (been going 1-3 times a year since 1993) I've tried to hang out with her or with my other friends that live there as much as possible, and stay off the Strip as much as possible.

    She's said to me that her absolute least favorite saying is "What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas" because it gives the impression that anything goes...well most everything does, but visitors tend to forget that there are people who live and work there, that this is their home. I like the quote that vegasbebe excerpted from Strip City, because it echoes what my friend says.

    I think I could handle living in Vegas now...if it were 10 years ago I probably couldn't, because I would get caught up in the lifestyle and the wow factor of being there. Now that I've been there a bunch of times, I can see where a lot of the wow would go away after a while, and I could settle in and treat it like home, so I would love to live there if that's where life takes me.
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    We have been living here for awhile and the we visit the strip 2-3 times a month. There are many things to do and see outside the strip.

    I wouldn't say "anywhere USA" but you can find the same stores and restaurants that others have in their cities (but why would you want to? I like the creativity of many of the small restaurants and stores that are in Vegas.)

    Depending on which six months you chose, winter- spring or summer- fall, would depend on how you felt about Vegas. Like any tourist city some months are better than others for making money and enjoying the moutains, the strip and the desert.

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    I live 1 1/2 hrs outside of Vegas - I really dont like the place because its just too fast paced for me . The job market is wide open for almost anything its amazing . I worked in a Casino for 17yrs outside of Vegas and if you like to party just a little bit - watch out my friend you will have a transformation without even knowing it . Not true for everyone but I know many people who were consumed with gambling and alcohol - they didnt start that way .I probably drank every night for at least three years - your 4-5 drink night sometimes much more its tough to quit .I have finally got out of the drinking part ( about 5yrs ago ) .Never had much desire to gamble because it cut into my alcohol funds . The houses have become very expensive over the last couple of years but people keep coming in to the town - I believe its somewhere around 4k a month new arrivals .

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    ^^Yeah, it's growing but I've read there are about 2,000 a month leaving as well. Not all of those 4,000 people moving there per month stay.
    There are aspects I still love about Vegas, but I feel it's a better place to have a second home, not be your primary residence.
    Whatever works for people though.

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    Oh btw - I meant drinking in clubs etc I still love to drink at home. The garage has become a second home to me lol .

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    Quote Originally Posted by former_LV_dancer
    ^^Yeah, it's growing but I've read there are about 2,000 a month leaving as well. Not all of those 4,000 people moving there per month stay.
    There are aspects I still love about Vegas, but I feel it's a better place to have a second home, not be your primary residence.
    Whatever works for people though.
    Actually, that's not true. In fact, I'd be willing to bet the growth rate is more than 4000 a month. When you measure the growth rate of a city, the amount of people leaving is factored into that, hence the term "growth rate" or rate of growth. This is the number of the increase in the population on a month-to-month basis. Looking at the facts, you can see this is probably a pretty accurate figure.

    I was born and raised in Las Vegas and have lived here my entire life. I absolutely love it here and my wife and I already agreed that short of some major disaster, we'll probably never move from here we like it so much. It's not a city for everyone, but it does have a lot to offer which I'll address in a bit.

    As for the growth rate though, let's look at the facts. I was born in 1970 and the population of Las Vegas and surrounding areas was about 250,000 people. Keep in mind that if you just factor Las Vegas proper, it's probably about 1/2 of that. Las Vegas proper is an extremely small sliver of the area referrred to as Las Vegas. It's only about 15 square miles stretching from Sahara on the south to about I95 on the north and then about 1 mile on each side of Las Vegas blvd. However, Las Vegas is actually now more than just Las Vegas Proper encompassing Green Valley, Summerlin, Spring Valley, etc. So when I refer to Las Vegas, I'm referring to the valley of Las Vegas which is what the common reference is. For example, when I mail a letter to someone in Summerlin, I still address it as going to "Las Vegas" even though, by definition, it's in Clark County, not in Las Vegas proper. Anyway, enough about this confusing insanity.

    So, back in 1970, when I was born, the population was 250,000 people. Current estimates based on the rate of grown predictions and based on the 2000 census says that the current population is now around 1.6 million people. Some have said it might be as high as 1.8, but we'll stick to the 1.6 million for right now. So, this being said, we subtract one from the other:

    1,600,000 - 250,000 = 1,350,000

    This means that in 35 years, the city has grown by 1.35 million people. Broken down annually, that makes the city growth rate (on average) 38,570 per year over 35 years. Broken down by month, that's a rate of increase of 3,215 people per month. Now, figure that back in the early 70's the growth rate probably wasn't more than 2000 people per month which is going to skew the averages on the end of the averages which is probably right around a 4,000 people per month growth rate.

    Now, as per the sales tax issue, it's not 7.5% in Nevada, it's 7.75% and it will be going up to 8% in the near future to pay for a meausre to increase the amount of police officers. The nice thing is though that due to gaming, we have no state income tax. This, in addition to another of other reasons is why so many people are moving here of higher income brackets (especially from California) because Nevada is one of the best states to do business in. It's far and away the best state to incorporate in because of the state's asset protection laws and the low cost of living. Property taxes are a bit high though and just got raised not long ago because we have a governor who is a total idiot. Actually, we're the morons for electing this dufus to a second term. He actually campaigned on the promise that "I need to do something to the tax code but I'm not going to tell you what it is until after I'm re-elected." I'm not joking here. So we elect this retard and he raised taxes by over 1 billion dollars to pay for a bunch of pork he wanted. Those taxes are coming from property taxes, so all of us home-owners a bit peeved about this.

    Speaking of cost of living, the housing market has truely exploded here in recent years. Probably moreso than any other part of the country and it's been making a lot of news. Recently, the price explosion has kind of capped a bit, but for about 4 years it was going INSANE. My wife and I bought our house back in January of 2004 which was right about when the insanity was starting to calm down. Even still though, our house has gone up in value about 60% in 2 years. My friend bought a house in Southern Highlands (a new upscale community on the south part of the valley) in Phase II of development. He paid $340K for his house back in 2002. He just sold it three weeks ago for $1.15 million. That's about a 340% increase in less than 4 years. Not bad. Back around 2001, when the interest rates really dropped, housing costs in Las Vegas were actually quite low. You could get into a nice new house for around $140,000 then. Once everyone started buying property though, the builders couldn't keep up with the demand and we all know the law of supply and demand, right?

    So now, that same $140,000 house is up for sale for around $280,000 and is usually on the market for no longer than about a week before there are over a dozen bidders on it. New homes actually have to be purchased via lottery system in many parts of the valley now. You actually have to apply for a lottery ticket to be able to be drawn just to then go and buy a house. How crazy is that? That's the market now though. All things considered though, the cost of living is still very low in Vegas, especially by comparison to other major cities. Although we don't have a lot of "culture" here yet (keep in mind, we've only been a major city for around 2 decades), but we have tons of great restaurants, entertainment, outdoor recreation (Lake Mead, Red Rock Valley, Valley of Fire, etc.), concerts, you name it. Las Vegas isn't for everyone, but for many, it truly is a great place to live and work.

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    Just left there myself, overall in my opinion a great place to live and work.However, even if you don't get sucked into something people yyou know and have come to like do. It really sucks seeing people fall hard and you try but can't really help!!! The medical scene definetely needs some work but they are apparently paying good money to those jobs so hopefully will improve. oh yeah, the meth-heads crime stuff can be a real pain in ass, you gotta be real careful with people there.

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    I know some people have already inferred this, but one time when on a working vacation I overheard a guy talking to a woman. He said Las Vegas doesn't have any romance, and that really struck a chord with me. Las Vegas is great, and I do believe that underneath the tinsel there is real gold, but it's a town whose memory is reset every twenty-four hours...or maybe once a week, and so it doesn't have a chance to build up character like other towns have. It has Vegas character, but not really a "home" character to outsiders.
    <shrug> that's why I decided not to go to school there.

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