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    This has been going on for awhile though , its seems that frigid housewives who never even go near SC's are offened by our exsistence . Personally in the long run I think that this might not be such a bad thing for ONE reason , simlpy because lap dances and stripping in general had lost its art in alot of states and this simply will force out the less attractive and inspire talent . Hopefully a nod back to the good ol'days

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    Personally in the long run I think that this might not be such a bad thing for ONE reason , simlpy because lap dances and stripping in general had lost its art in alot of states and this simply will force out the less attractive and inspire talent . Hopefully a nod back to the good ol'days
    But you can't turn back the clock on what customers want and to which they have become accustomed; medium- to high-contact lap dances might not happen again in Seattle, but then again, Seattle has never been a good city to go SCing.
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    We'll see how long that lasts . If they are going to ban lap dances in non alcohol serving establishments, how is the government/ law enforcement going to justify it?? The dancers must be clothed legally (bikini) and be consenting adults. If 2 consenting adults who are also clothed wish to dance together, it seems unlikely that the government can stop them, even if it is for a cash payment of some kind. You no more can outlaw lap dancing under those circumstances then you could outlaw manicures and pedicures.

    St Louis learned that lesson. Anyway, it is not like the general population of Seattle is really all that concerned about strip clubs and what goes on inside them. This is just a topic that only the city council seems to care about. However any legal action involving S.O.B. always makes the news.

    It seems kinds funny that the city council wants to regulate what happens in the clubs, but it is perfectly legal to hire people to come to you private location and perform a sex show for money. I won't bring that little tidbit up to the city council in Seattle, however.


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    To CAS OB ,
    but don't you think there is a little of the "supply and demand thing " going on here ? I work here I know , these clubs are dead , we never make money and then as soon as they clean up a little the money picks up . There is also a large market out there that does not want to be molested and would actually enjoy a quality show , hence the PCD . Anyways they do go to far out here in the clubs and it was only a matter of time before all this happened . There are a few clubs outside of Seattle too and everything out here is ruled by its own county , even our sales tax switches up on you . Also the people out here in Washington are not as city minded as alot of other places I have lived so this high contact SC thing most likely seems all that much worse to them .

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    ^ I used to live in Seattle. Finished my time in the military there and did my undergrad at SPU.

    Rick's on Lake City Way--whose owners were recently indicted on election fraud--typifies why Seattle clubs seem perpetually stuck. I don't see it changing much as a result.
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    f they are going to ban lap dances in non alcohol serving establishments, how is the government/ law enforcement going to justify it??
    By the same questionable legal principles and 'scientific conclusions' regarding 'second-hand' effects which were used to enact anti-smoking laws ... i.e. that strip clubs which offer 'intimate contact' with customers elevate public health risks, that strip clubs which offer 'intimate contact' contribute to an increase in local crime rates (typically prostitution and drugs), that strip clubs which offer 'intimate contact' negatively impact the tax base by lowering surrounding property values, etc. Following the anti-smoking precedent, the assumption is made that the claimed negative effects are in fact true and serious, leaving any group opposing those claimed negative effects being forced to 'prove a negative'.

    Like smokers, 'strippers' are an unpopular minority in the minds of most registered voters. Like smokers, no politician who values his job security is willing to come out as an advocate for 'strippers rights'. But unlike smokers who comprise 20-25% of the population, clubowners and employees, dancers, and club customers willing to go on record in official support of 'high contact' lap dances, are a tiny percentage of the population.

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    L.A. is thinking about doing this too. It's stupid. There's already no alcohol served in our clubs; who the hell is going to go out to drink $5 soda and watch women dance on stage six feet away? Why do people want to do this anyway?

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    Well they banned them and they said it should take place withen the next months .... Maybe this will be a warning for other states to start being more careful and be prepared ?? I am out on maternity so this isn't affecting me personally at the moment but I hope that maybe something positive will come out of it , they did say that the dancers will become employees instead of the independant contractor so maybe the clubs will pay the girls for there shows ??? I dunno just trying to be positive about the whole thing , thats really all we can do now anyways right ?

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    who the hell is going to go out to drink $5 soda and watch women dance on stage six feet away? Why do people want to do this anyway?
    The obvious answer is essentially nobody in terms of paying customers ... translating into essentially no income for dancers or the club ... translating into the club closing down. The anti-dance club supporters would generally have preferred to simply make strip clubs illegal and close them down from the beginning, but are legally prevented from taking such a direct route. So instead they're hoping to cause 'death from 1000 cuts' by enacting ordinances which essentially kill the clubs/dancers' financial 'engine'.

    they did say that the dancers will become employees instead of the independant contractor so maybe the clubs will pay the girls for there shows ???
    Yes, this has been kicking around California labor law for a couple of years now. If ever enforced, it will indeed mean that clubs will be forced to pay dancers an hourly paycheck. It will also mean that clubs cannot charge stage fees and cannot touch dancer's tips. But it WILL mean that clubs can keep some or all of every dancers' lap dance/champagne room money, because legally as an employee a dancer is required to do these things in exchange for the hourly paycheck as part of her job description. It will also mean that legally every dollar the dancer earns in tips or club commission payouts (i.e. percentage of lap dances) must be run through the club's payroll system, with an automatic report of that income going to the IRS and Cal FTB - which was the REAL motivation behind the state of Cal passing the 'employee dancer' law.

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    http://www.komo4.com/stories/39557.htm

    Judging from Noelle's link, the reason they're passing it isn't because of angry housewives, its because some guy just sued the city and won a multimillion dollar case so he could open a strip club. It looks to me like the city is already going to paying this guy in tax dollars to open a strip club wherever he wants, why allow him and then so many others to open a strip club? The city's tax dollars are going to be paying for it.

    I don't think its angry housewives, I think its the feeling of the city in general. I find Seattle very blah.........very wake up and hug a tree or die-type of town. No offense to people in Seattle, but when I worked there, I just thought the money sucked, the strip club was gross and the city wasn't too keen on strippers. And what was up with the super high housefees at Rick's? They were trying to charge girls like we were working at Penthouse or Scores, when the place was a complete jack shack?


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    I meantioned this in Club Chat, but doesn't this just make Tacoma or Everett more likely to host the clubs now?
    Also, just to say, Vancouver has been operating with no lapdances allowed forever, and we make money (though not TONS).
    Maybe this is a good opportunity for the clubs to expand to the rest of the state- a club in Bellingham would be great!

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    Default Re: Seattle plans on banning lap dances???

    the reason they're passing it isn't because of angry housewives, its because some guy just sued the city and won a multimillion dollar case so he could open a strip club. It looks to me like the city is already going to paying this guy in tax dollars to open a strip club wherever he wants, why allow him and then so many others to open a strip club? The city's tax dollars are going to be paying for it.
    The specific legal issue here is that Seattle enacted a 'no new clubs' moratorium, which did indeed leave the city in the position of costing the one particular would-be new club owner who had applied for a new club permit many years back in the position of potentially collecting millions in 'lost profits' settlement - however the reality of the financial award may be far from that level. It also doesn't help any other would-be clubowners who had not filed for new club permits before the 'moratorium' went into effect. At any rate, it's obvious that with the courts striking down the Seattle 'moratorium' opening the door to dozens of potential new clubs, that the anti-dance club ordinance is meant to keep would-be clubowners from bothering to make the investment.

    Yes it's possible that clubs may proliferate to nearby suburbs which are outside the reach of the city ordinance. However, the club economics of faraway cities probably has to stand on its own, as distance i.e. an hour's drive each way from Seattle will probably serve to prevent most ex-Seattle club customers from travelling that far. Seattle Escorts should do great though !

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