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    Hey everyone, this may seem a bit odd but I am a student at George Mason University and am doing a paper on whether or not using sex appeal to make a living is becoming more socially acceptable. I need some more info and opinions on the topic. If anyone on here wouldnt mind letting me ask them some questions for my paper I would totally appriciate it.

    So what are some opinions? Is being a dancer becoming more acceptable?

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    LOL. No...which is why there are so many places trying to ban lap dances, etc. It's more "recognized" but it's no more acceptable today than it was a few years ago...

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    Thanks a lot, ... does anyone think people who come to strip clubs can see that dancing is a "job" or do you think they can't get past that and assume characteristics about you by your profession?


    Can anyone tell me what made them decide to do this for a living?? I very much appriciate these answers.

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    yeah man...........I don't know what part of the business your main focus is (porn, stripping, escort, etc.) but adult entertainment moguls who would help you understand the way it was 20-30 years ago, check out Reuben Sturman. He started Doc Johnson, distributed porn and had adult bookstores multi-nationally. (not necessarily legally.) Larry Flynt. Rent some documentaries on Hunts Point or pimps, theres some great articles about Jason Itzler
    newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/nightlife/sex/features/12193/, supposebly the 'pimp' of New York, I dunno.

    In terms of being 'socially acceptable' you have to think what is the social norm stripping is being presented to? If you're in Las Vegas, I'm sure being a stripper is more acceptable than if you were to go to I don't know say, Siox Falls, South Dakota?

    Are you doing a project on how sex appeal is becoming more socially acceptable or interviewing strippers about their feelings regarding their job? Because whether or not we're proud of it or think its socially acceptable, you're going to have to do some research about what adult entertainment was in the past..........compare a centerfold from Playboy 40 yrs ago vs. all the porn and Rolling Stone centerfolds of Britney Spears today.

    And you asked, why did I become a dancer? Same reason as stant-I had some furniture that needed refinishing. Seemed like a good idea.
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    Socially Acceptable? You have to be kidding. If the adult entertainment industry was socially acceptable state after state wouldn't be banning lap dancing, full nude clubs, or touching of any kind. Why did I begin? I was going to college with a dancer who convinced me to dance on an amateur night, and I loved it. I only danced for about 6months then. After getting married and having a couple of kids, and getting divorced, I went back to dancing seven years later. I still love it...
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    in city's like vegas, nyc, parts of florida and texas where some clubs are beautiful fantasylands i think its a bit more accepted, guys look at you more like goddess and girls think about becoming strippers more often. city's like where your from northern virginia where there really are no clubs [dc clubs are small and cheesy] people look down at strippers and its not accepted at all. i watched a 20/20 show last year about the industry and they said there are now 300,000 'entertainers' in the usa, but even with those numbers people do not take dancers seriously. i tried to sue somebody a few years ago and no lawyer would take my case because i was a dancer and i would not be creditable, i also applied for a few jobs and put down that i worked at a stripclub [i lied saying i was only a waitress] and the look on there face said it all, i dont think so. its also very hard trying to find a roommate, living in nyc you have to, i tried a few years ago through the village voice, no girl wants to live with a dancer [worried that you'll hit on her boyfriend], no guy wanted to [they asked there girlfriend, they said no] or couldn't. people think we are sexual all day or something, the sexual thing comes automatic for me from so many years of playing it at work especially when i want something or want to have fun, and i do usually get what i want so it works for me. i totally look like a dancer, i make a sundress vulger, so i just keep it sweet and hope people see i'm a good person first.

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    Hi sweetheart,

    Nice to see you here. Welcome to SW! I'm sorry that half the answers seem to be from guys so far. I could answer some of the questions myself, but that's not what you are looking for.

    I recommended the site to her so she could get input directly from dancers on her questions. It would be nice if some of our many brilliant, sexy and thoughtful dancers could chime in and help her out. Nic, VG, Melonie, Rhi, Madmaxine, NinaDaisy, Paris, Tina, Kat, Jenny, MinahSky, LilSweetVixen, Vyanka, GCG, Pamela, Gynger, Colleen, AudreyLeigh, Rusdancer, Bella622 and Bridgette, to list just a few, I'm sure you all have very valuable and helpful insight for her.

    Thanks, and now I'll duck back out of SG....

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    I think this depends on whether you are looking at women who are using sex appeal in their jobs to make a living as opposed to women whose jobs are sex appeal. There is a big difference between the social acceptability of a hot real estate agent or car salesperson and a stripper (or a bikini model or Hooters waitress). Also, it depends on who is accepting it.

    Personally, I think it's trendy to exploit sex appeal. Or to dress or act in a, um, sexual manner. However, if you look at the legions of religious conservatives in this country who don't even believe in evolution, which is half the country, well, I doubt those people are more accepting of strippers/models/Shakira than they were twenty years ago.

    Also, women have always used sex appeal to their advantage. I think it's simply more visible now than in the past.

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    I deleted all of the threads from the guys...sorry guys, but this poster was asking from a DANCER POV.

    Sex does sell...however, as much as it's becoming more widely used, does not mean that it is becoming more widely accepted. Women who find out I was a dancer give me the "oh, that is so cool" speech but as soon as they turn around, they're talking about what a ho I must be. Women seem to be ok with stripping and "sex" as long as they are in their homes and the only places you can get dances, etc are in Las Vegas, NYC, Chicago/etc. However, as soon as a club comes close to home, they're screaming "indecency" and trying to sell people on how it harms the children. Now, I don't know about you, but I don't exactly show my daughter footage of porn or take her to the clubs with me. But, when you've got no other reason to close these places down...children always seem to tug a heart string.

    So, in conclusion...it's widely used...but not widely accepted. It's not becoming "less of a stigma" if you tell someone you're a dancer.

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    Hmmm I don't know I kinda excused myself from polite society a couple years ago and haven't looked back lol but anyhow I started dancing because my best friend was a dancer and she loved it, so I figured I probably would too and I do. What I love the most is that it isn't at all mundane. It's something new every day. No two days are a like, you never know what to expect. I also love the oppertunity to travel that it provides, knowing that I can go just about anywhere in North America and be working with in a couple of days. I've had several jobs since I left school and dancing is the only one that I've never gotten bored of. I've been dancing full time for two years. If you'd like me to answers any questions I'd love to, just e-mail me at [email protected]
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    Hi Jdm - I understand your topic, but you've approached it a little generally. I mean, you don't just want our opinions on society - your's are just as good. I would maybe try forming a list of questions about which you are particularly interested.

    Do I think it is more socially acceptable? Than in the 1990's or 1950's? In my experience in the 90's, the time I think of as the beginning of stripperchic, it was endowed with an edgy, underground glamour. I'm not saying the glamour existed - just that people were perceiving it in this way. Now, I don't think so much. Ultimately, people, in the 50's, 90's and now perceive you as deviant if you are a stripper. I don't think it's necessarily related to drugs and promiscuity - it's like being schizophrenic. You can be asymptomatic, but it's still always there. "Deviant Behavior" has a lot of interesting things to say, and not to say, about stripping. One of my favourites was a set of two articles by one guy, one of which was about public nudity in the context of Mardi Gras, and the other in strip clubs. I didn't find it to be particularly revealing of strippers or stripping, but it certainly clarified social notions.

    Do CUSTOMERS assume certain characteristics about me because of my job? Well, my knee just jerked up to my chin as I was about to type YES. But really, I think that they may have been assuming characteristics about me because of the way I act. This is, of course, tied in with the job.

    Why did I start dancing? Honestly, I was really young, and the ads for exotic dancers, then, were in the general help wanted.
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    Jdm, I'd also like some more information.

    What is your thesis? Are you planning to argue that it is now more socially acceptable to "use sex appeal" to make a living?

    When you refer to women who "use sex appeal" to make a living, are you referring primarily to women who work in the sex industry? If so, are you planning to focus on one aspect of the industry (say, stripping)? Or, are you speaking more broadly about using sex appeal to get ahead, even in "straight" jobs?

    And, as Jenny pointed out, a historical timeframe would be helpful. Are you comparing current attitudes to attitudes over the past ten years, fifty years, or hundred years?

    What sources have you consulted so far? If you give me a list, I'm sure I can suggest additional sources.

    How do you plan to use the input of the women on this board? Are you just looking for ideas as you develop your thesis, or are you planning to use quotes and cite the website? Is your professor willing to accept that kind of source?

    What course is this for? And what is your interest in this topic? (You wouldn't by any chance be a waitress at a certain chain restaurant, would you? ) Have you yourself had any exposure to the sex industry? I don't mean to pry, but I figure if you're going to ask us for personal information, it's only fair that you tell us a little something about yourself, right?

    I agree with Jenny that I could probably offer you more useful information if you formulate a list of questions you'd like answered.

    When I have a bit more time, I'll answer the questions you've asked so far...but again, if you narrow the questions a little bit, I think my answers will be more helpful to you.

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    Wow - some interesting replies here.
    I'm in Australia and for me I would say yes it is definatly getting more socially acceptable.
    Everyone knows what I do, I don't hide it at all - almost no-one gives a shit. People tend to be in awe / suportive / interested when they find out what you do. Not all dancers here are as open about what they do as I am, but there are plenty who don't hide it at all. (Not too easy to hide anyway here as the population is only 20 million and mostly centred around 6 cities...)

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    I think that peoples opinions about clubs in general has become a lot more socially acceptable over the last few years... But I am not sure if peoples opinions about the girls who work there has become much more acceptable. I think its kind of like the club and the girls are different.

    Overall I think society's opinions are changing... Bottom line is Sex sells... Now with so many industry related things in the media, its hard for people not to soften up on us. Look at the Reality circuit: G String Divas, the Girls Next Door... Now fitness people are promoting pole dancing as a legitimate form of exercise, I saw something about it on Oprah one day. But not everybody who is becoming interested in the culture itself completely understands it is our job...

    Case in Point: the growing number of females who frequent clubs with either their SO or friends... (I am talking about straight woman) But, many of these girls will act very defensive if they think you are trying to take their man (which 99.9999999 % of the time is the furthest thing from our minds) But in all fairness there are a lot of female customers who come in and have a really good time and are totally cool...
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