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    Default Is your club racist?????

    Easy pole,just to open some eyes to your surroundings.

    This isnt for debate or flames,and isnt directed at anyone or any race.

    Its just to see if this industry can actually be called "racist",and not have anyone doubt it.

    Im not looking for norma raes to start lawsuits or custie lawyers to set presidence,im just looking for the working entertainers,or retired entertainers,doesnt matter what state or what club,im just looking for what THEY have seen,first hand,in the clubs across america.

    again,im not looking for if its right or wrong,and for a lack of a better phrase,I just want to be able to call a spade a spade,im not wanting this thread to become "poo"material,or political in any way.

    Just answer as close as you can.
    You can make multiple choices.

    what comes out is what comes out.

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    Default Re: Is your club racist?????

    ok the poll fell off,gimmie a sec

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    Default Re: Is your club racist?????

    I'm not sure what someone would call a racist club, but none of the clubs to me I've ever worked in were racist. I never felt they treated me worse for being black or better for being black. And no isolated bad luck could be attributed to racism but was basically a result of my being newer and younger.

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    Default Re: Is your club racist?????

    Just answer as close as possible...

    1.Is the owner of your club
    white
    ethnic
    2.is the manager of your club
    white
    ethnic
    3.Are most of the door guys at your club
    white
    ethnic
    4.whats the % of ethnic dancers at your club
    10%
    20%
    30%
    40%
    50%+
    5.Does your club have more then 1 ethnic dancer on stage at the same time
    yes
    no
    6.if your club brings in Feature entertainers,have you ever had a ethnic feature come in
    Yes
    no
    7.whats the % of white custies in your club
    10
    20
    30
    40
    50%+
    8.whats the % of ethnic customers in your club
    10
    20
    30
    40
    50%+
    9.The top 5 earners in your club,are they
    white
    ethnic
    mixed,most white
    mixed,most ethnic
    10.Is your dj staff
    white
    black
    a mix of both
    11.is your doorgirl
    white
    ethnic
    12.is your bartender
    white
    ethnic
    13.is your waitstaff
    white
    ethnic
    mixed,most white
    mixed,most ethnic

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    Default Re: Is your club racist?????

    Here is my answers from an old club...

    1.Is the owner of your club
    white

    2.is the manager of your club
    white

    3.Are most of the door guys at your club
    white

    4.whats the % of ethnic dancers at your club

    20%

    5.Does your club have more then 1 ethnic dancer on stage at the same time

    no
    6.if your club brings in Feature entertainers,have you ever had a ethnic feature come in
    Yes

    7.whats the % of white custies in your club

    50%+
    8.whats the % of ethnic customers in your club
    10
    20

    9.The top 5 earners in your club,are they
    white

    10.Is your dj staff
    white

    11.is your doorgirl
    white

    12.is your bartender
    white

    13.is your waitstaff

    mixed,most white

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    I don't knowif I'm doing thisright but:
    1. Asian
    2 White
    3 Ethnic
    4 50% +
    5 we neverhave more than one at a time
    6 They had many ethnic features
    7 50% +
    8 35% or so
    9 mixed most ethinic
    10 a mix mostly ethnic, no white guys at all
    11ethnic
    12 ethnic
    13 mixed most ethnic


    So it seems my club is an exeption to the rule. There are very few white dancers (I'm one of them) and it is harder for white chicks to make money compared to the Hispanic girls.

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    What PinkKitten said. I'm the only white girl most of the time and the guys at my club seem to prefer the black and Latina girls. I get a few guys who like me because I'm white and blonde, but they're a minority. I have to hustle harder for less money.

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    Default Re: Is your club racist?????

    BigGreen, what are you getting at?

    This whole country is deeply racist. The industry reflects that. In my experience, clubs tend to be either mostly white or mostly black.

    None of this should come as any surprise to anyone.
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    Default Re: Is your club racist?????

    Yeah this industry is racist like I even got asked before going to work somewhere if I was black so I guess if they ask it's because they are hiring according to ur awnser. Sadly it is the way it is .

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    Since you've made it into questions of fact, not experience, I'll answer.

    1.Is the owner of your club
    white

    2.is the manager of your club
    white

    3.Are most of the door guys at your club
    white

    4.whats the % of ethnic dancers at your club
    10% (at best)

    5.Does your club have more then 1 ethnic dancer on stage at the same time
    no (never saw it at least)

    6.if your club brings in Feature entertainers,have you ever had a ethnic feature come in
    no

    7.whats the % of white custies in your club
    50%+

    8.whats the % of ethnic customers in your club
    10

    9.The top 5 earners in your club,are they
    white (assumption, based on sheer numbers)

    10.Is your dj staff
    white

    11.is your doorgirl
    n/a

    12.is your bartender
    white

    13.is your waitstaff
    white

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    Austin is pretty cool, and the racism level is significantly lower than any place I've worked. San Antonio is also pretty cool. Houston clubs can be racist to black girls, but every Houston club has a good racial mix in existence, except for the specialty places, such as those that cater to latina dancers, etc. I would argue that racism is still stronger in the southern east coast, and deep south such as Alabama, Miss, and Louisiana, than it is for the larger cities in Texas.

    This breakdown is for Perfect10, Austin.
    1.Is the owner of your club
    I think its Greeks.
    2.is the manager of your club
    GM is white, other managers are latino, Asian, white.
    4.whats the % of ethnic dancers at your club
    30%-40%, depends on the night, sometimes less.
    5.Does your club have more then 1 ethnic dancer on stage at the same time
    yes (only 1 girl per stage, but on side stages, yes)
    7.whats the % of white custies in your club
    50%+. That's the hood that the club is near, the suburbs of lovely Redneck Rock.
    8.whats the % of ethnic customers in your club

    30-50%+ Depends on the day.
    9.The top 5 earners in your club,are they
    I don't know, don't pay attention.
    10.Is your dj staff
    white
    11.is your doorgirl
    white
    12.is your bartender
    white
    ethnic
    13.is your waitstaff
    mixed,most white

    Wow, running those numbers would make it seem like my club was racist. BUT, we have a mix that represents that racial breakdown of the city, and a clientele that represents the racial breakdown of the businesses and residences of the area. I don't think that is what determines racism in the club. I see girls of ALL ethnicities there that should and should not be strippers. Everyone is treated well by support staff. I don't feel racial tension when I am there. Isn't there a better way?

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    Metro Providence has a dozen ways to be darker than white, including Cape Verdean (mulatto), DR, PR, Italian (south of Rome), Brazilian, Azorean, Jamaican, "don't know what I am," Asian.

    This breakdown is for one of my favorite clubs in Proividence.
    1.Is the owner of your club
    Italian
    2.Is the manager of your club
    Italian
    3.Are most of the door guys at your club
    Mixed, mostly white
    4.Whats the % of ethnic dancers at your club
    20%, depends on the night, sometimes more or less
    5.Does your club have more then 1 ethnic dancer on stage at the same time
    yes
    6.If your club brings in Feature entertainers,have you ever had a ethnic feature come in
    no features
    7.Whats the % of white custies in your club
    50%+.
    8.Whats the % of ethnic customers in your club

    20-30%+ Depends on the day/shift.
    9.The top 5 earners in your club,are they
    mixed, mostly white
    10.Is your dj staff
    mixed
    11.Is your doorgirl
    none
    12.Is your bartender
    mixed, mostly white
    13.Is your waitstaff
    mixed, mostly white

    The mix pretty much represents that racial breakdown of the metro area. You don't see or feel racial tension here. My favorite is mulatto and does well. Everyone from the owner on down likes her.

    Nice template, Katrine. Thanks.
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    1.Is the owner of your club
    white

    2.is the manager of your club
    one is Latin, one is white, one is black

    3.Are most of the door guys at your club
    white and Latin , Pacific Island

    4.what's the % of ethnic dancers at your club

    40% - Asian, Latin, black, Pacific Island, Caribbean and white dancers

    5.Does your club have more then 1 ethnic dancer on stage at the same time
    yes

    6.if your club brings in Feature entertainers,have you ever had a ethnic feature come in
    Yes

    7.what's the % of white custies in your club

    50%+

    8.what's the % of ethnic customers in your club
    30- 50 % on average

    9.The top 5 earners in your club
    mixed w/ Asians and blondes most common

    10.Is your DJ staff
    two white and one black

    11.is your doorgirl
    one white ,one black and one Latin

    12.is your bartender
    one white,one black and one Latin

    13.is your waitstaff

    mixed

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    1. owner is white
    2.manager is ethnic
    3.most door guys ethnic
    4.ethnic dancers 40 to 50 %
    5.there can be more than one ethnic dancer on stage at a time
    6.dont have features
    7.70%white cus.
    8. 30% ethnic
    9.top earners mixed mostly ethnic
    10.dj staff white. ( one who thinks hes black. lol joking)
    11.no door girl
    12.wait staff is bout 50 50

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    1.Is the owner of your club
    White
    2.is the manager of your club
    White
    3.Are most of the door guys at your club
    Ethnic
    4.whats the % of ethnic dancers at your club
    1%-ME!
    5.Does your club have more then 1 ethnic dancer on stage at the same time
    Hell no
    6.if your club brings in Feature entertainers,have you ever had a ethnic feature come in
    no features
    7.whats the % of white custies in your club
    99.9%
    8.whats the % of ethnic customers in your club
    less than 1%

    9.The top 5 earners in your club,are they
    white

    10.Is your dj staff
    white

    11.is your doorgirl
    white

    12.is your bartender
    white

    13.is your waitstaff
    white

    Although nearly all of the staff and girls seem to like me, I notice that it could take up to 2 hours before any of the girls other than me approach ethnic clientle, IF THEY APPROACH THEM AT ALL. Its sad because the guys dress real nice generally when the come in, and even tip well on stage, but the girls will still go sit at the bar rather than speak to them. Same thing with with our spanish speaking custies that come in, it makes me sick, and I make an effort to never jude a book by its cover. I wish more dancers were open minded.

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    1.Is the owner of your club
    white

    2.is the manager of your club
    white

    3.Are most of the door guys at your club
    white

    4.whats the % of ethnic dancers at your club
    10%

    5.Does your club have more then 1 ethnic dancer on stage at the same time
    no

    6.if your club brings in Feature entertainers,have you ever had a ethnic feature come in
    We dont have features

    7.whats the % of white custies in your club
    50%+

    8.whats the % of ethnic customers in your club
    10

    9.The top 5 earners in your club,are they
    white

    10.Is your dj staff
    white

    a mix of both
    11.is your doorgirl
    n/a It is a bouncer
    12.is your bartender
    white

    13.is your waitstaff
    mixed,most white

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    Default Re: Is your club racist?????

    I'm not sure what the point of this is. Personally, I don't think most clubs are racist against ethnicity..... It's more about social classes But.

    1. Owner: Mexican.

    2. Managers: One is black, one is white.

    3. Door Girl: White.

    4. Percent of ethnic dancers: Probably 20%.

    5. Does your club have more then 1 ethnic dancer on stage at the same time: Occassionally, but not usually.

    6. If your club brings in feature entertainers, have you ever had a ethnic feature come in: Yes we do and yes we have.

    7. What's the % of white custies in your club: Probably about 50%.

    8. What's the % of ethnic customers in your club: Well if the answer above is 50%, than this answer would be 50%.

    9. Top 5 earners in your club are: Two white, one mixed, one black, one asian.

    10. DJ Staff: Two white, one black.

    11. Bouncers: One white, one black.

    12. Bartender: Three white girls.

    13. Waitstaff: Black girl

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    How does % of customers or employees of color relate to whether or not the club is racist? WTF?

    75% of the US population is white. Only 13% is black. (www.census.gov) Those numbers may increase of decrease depending on the city and part of the country. Using the general population #s, if 75% of a club's customers and employees are white, that has nothing to do with racism, only statistics. Furthermore, many clubs have a small number of employees, so only 1 or two people can affect the %.

    Now if a club's ratio is like 95% one color, then there might be an issue, but even then not necessarily. It may just be that particular club targets that particular market. Nothing wrong with that. Is a "black" club that markets itself more to black people through the music played and avenues of advertisement a "racist" club? Maybe fewer people of color want to work or patronize a particular club for any number of reasons other than race. What if a club wanted a country theme or any other theme that might be more popular with some groups than others? Does that make them "racist"? Or does it just make them country music fans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obenta
    How does % of customers or employees of color relate to whether or not the club is racist? WTF?
    WTF indeed. MnM made up his "easy pole" to see if the industry can be called racist "and not have anyone doubt it."

    A racist believes that one race is superior to others and acts accordingly. This questionnaire seeks information on racial diversity in clubs known to SW members. But it doesn't ask questions about perceived owner attitudes, perceived discrimation or racial tension.

    A club in Iowa may not have much diversity, but that doesn't mean it's racist. Conversely, a club in Texas can have remarkable diversity and still have a racist owner who knows how to make money. The concepts of racist and racially diverse cannot simply be interchanged. Information on one is not a proxy for information on the other.

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    Just answer as close as possible...

    1.Is the owner of your club
    white, female

    2.is the manager of your club
    white, female

    3.Are most of the door guys at your club
    white

    4.whats the % of ethnic dancers at your club
    1 in 15 are backgrounds other than white

    5.Does your club have more then 1 ethnic dancer on stage at the same time
    no

    6.if your club brings in Feature entertainers,have you ever had a ethnic feature come in
    no

    7.whats the % of white custies in your club
    80%

    8.whats the % of ethnic customers in your club
    20%

    9.The top 5 earners in your club,are they
    mixed,most white, whenever there are latin girls they end up as top earners

    10.Is your dj staff
    white, 1 hispanic DJ

    11.is your doorgirl
    white

    12.is your bartender
    white

    13.is your waitstaff
    white

    This will not tell you whether or not a club is racist.
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    I'll play, but strip club diversity has little to do with whether or not the strip club owner is racist. I live in San Antonio so it makes fiscal sense to have a more diverse crowd and with the exception of a few ignorant remarks, my main club - one of the top two financially and dancerwise - is probably the least concerned with ethnicity when it comes to dancers. However, I have seen customers and club staff treat people of Middle Eastern descent differently than others - so yes, I would say my club is racist towards Middle Easterners.

    Some better questions would be:

    Does your club play music WITH THE INTENTION of keeping out a certain element?

    Does your club's DJ CONSISTENTLY dim lights when women of certain ethnicities go onstage or otherwise do things to upset their stage set? Does s/he give dancers of certain ethnicities lip when she pays to skip or has sold champagne, or call them to the stage when it's really not her rotation? Does he play music that s/he assumes the dancers want to hear based on ethnicity? Does he speak in a different manner to dancers of certain ethnicities?

    Does your club's manager CONSISTENTLY force women of certain ethnicities to work slower nights and then limit the number of big money nights they can work?

    Does your club's waitresses or bartenders CONSISTENTLY ignore customers or dancers of certain ethnicites or otherwise treat them differently than other customers?


    To answer your "pole":

    1.Is the owner of your club
    White

    2.is the manager of your club
    2 White and 2 Latino men

    3.Are most of the door guys at your club
    2 White, 1 Black, and an Asian guy just got fired for hitting the manager.

    4.whats the % of ethnic dancers at your club
    Aren't we all "ethnic" ?? Anyway, approx 40%

    5.Does your club have more then 1 ethnic dancer on stage at the same time
    Yes, it just depends on how the rotation falls.

    6.if your club brings in Feature entertainers,have you ever had a ethnic feature come in

    Rarely any features - is Bridget the Midget of Hispanic descent?

    7.whats the % of white custies in your club
    85%

    8.whats the % of ethnic customers in your club
    Well, if 85% is White...you do the math

    9.The top 5 earners in your club,are they
    Mixed, although from what I've seen, the most consistently high stage earner is Latina.

    10.Is your dj staff
    All 3 White guys

    11.is your doorgirl

    Latina woman

    12.is your bartender
    More than one - White and Latino men (1 White woman)

    13.is your waitstaff
    White and Latino women


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    Just about everyone in my club is white. We have a couple black girls, maybe 2 or 3. Only one of them has worked there very long. I live in Arkansas, so the area is pretty racist. We do not get a lot of black custies in the club either but it is a predominitly white area.

    We have a latino girl I think and one from Cuba. The girl from Cuba makes very good money but she is very good looking and has a great accent.
    Most of the girls at our club do not sit with black men. Reason: they rarely spend money at our club. Most of our money is made off middle age white men.

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    Default Re: Is your club racist?????

    great additions to the poll.


    Does your club play music WITH THE INTENTION of keeping out a certain element?

    Yes.
    Rap is restricted.(makes no feekin sense to me 75% of rap music is bought by white people)

    Does your club's DJ CONSISTENTLY dim lights when women of certain ethnicities go onstage or otherwise do things to upset their stage set? Does s/he give dancers of certain ethnicities lip when she pays to skip or has sold champagne, or call them to the stage when it's really not her rotation? Does he play music that s/he assumes the dancers want to hear based on ethnicity? Does he speak in a different manner to dancers of certain ethnicities?

    No


    Does your club's manager CONSISTENTLY force women of certain ethnicities to work slower nights and then limit the number of big money nights they can work?

    Im going to say yes,because the number of ethnic dancers on rotation is regulated.


    Does your club's waitresses or bartenders CONSISTENTLY ignore customers or dancers of certain ethnicites or otherwise treat them differently than other customers?

    Im going to say yes again,i have heard them say many times they dont like to wait on ethnic customers as much as the white guys.

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    Default Re: Is your club racist?????

    I cannot accurately answer any of these questions because of where I live. Austin, Texas is very diverse, but my club is in a very "white" part of town, so I don't know what influences the demographics of the club. I have been turned down by many a guy (black, white, hispanic, whatever), only to see them turn around a buy a dance form a woman of color. I feel that my club is as diverse as it can be considering the surroundings. Our top two earners are black and white, and they often do feature shows together. (Double pole tricks and such).
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    Default Re: Is your club racist?????

    1.Is the owner of your club
    white

    2.is the manager of your club
    white

    3.Are most of the door guys at your club
    white

    4.whats the % of ethnic dancers at your club

    50%+

    5.Does your club have more then 1 ethnic dancer on stage at the same time

    no

    6.if your club brings in Feature entertainers,have you ever had a ethnic feature come in

    no
    7.whats the % of white custies in your club

    50%+

    8.whats the % of ethnic customers in your club


    30

    9.The top 5 earners in your club,are they
    white

    10.Is your dj staff
    white

    11.is your doorgirl
    no doorgirl

    12.is your bartender
    white

    13.is your waitstaff
    white


    yes, I would have to say my club is racist. A girl who is ethnic came in the other day, and the DJ said, "No, she can't audition. We already have to many of 'them'." I was shocked as shit.

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