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    Did anyone else see the noon news ? A middle American "soccer mom" was kicked off a SouthWest flight today because of what was printed on her t-shirt even after she agreed to cover it up.

    What did her shirt say ?

    It was a take off from the Met the Fockers movie.

    On the front it said "Meet the F*ckers" with a pictures of the White House officals in place of the movie actors.

    Glad to know that there aren't worse things to be worried about that what a SoccerMom has written on her tshirt

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    although I think that the actions were a little overboard, her shirt was in poor taste. I would have found it offensive.

    You know, the bottom line is this : you can disagree with authority, but they are still the commanding office of this GREAT country. I think people should respect that fact, even if they can't respect their politics.

    Personal little protests like that are tacky and make a person look ignorant, IMO.

    man im on a roll today.

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    Now that is just ridiculous and I think this woman has an excellent case should she choose to sue Southwest (by the way, that sounds like it was lifted from the Daily Show's post-Katrina coverage) unless they have a policy to eject everyone wearing anything offensive from their flights, and if you've ever been on a flight to South Texas during Spring Break you know that's not true.

    And tampadancer, the bottom line is this: This is a free country. We are only obligated to respect its laws, not its elected officials. They're not kings endowed with divine right, they serve at the whim of the people. In no way do we have to respect elected officials; it is our job as citizens to criticize them and hold them accountable. Ignorant is thinking that squashing free expression is a good idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Susan Wayward
    Now that is just ridiculous and I think this woman has an excellent case should she choose to sue Southwest
    Are you saying Southwest doesn't have the right to refuse someone's business? Can I come to your club and drool on you while you give me a dance, and then expect to have "an excellent case" when you have me yanked from the club?

    FL dancer - did you add that * to avoid saying fuck, or is that what it said on the shirt?

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    Susan, I never suggested squashing free expression. In fact, I was simply expressing MY opinion about the woman's shirt. I never said that Southwest's actions were appropriate, by any means.

    I dont have a problem with freedom of speech or protesting IN ANY way, shape of form. That is one of our inalienable rights as Americans. Protest all you want, but do it in a dignified manner and have some class. This woman clearly did neither.

    Hell, this is probably the best thing that has happened to this lady. The ACLU will jump on this, she'll sue southwest and get a big settlement.

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    She should have flown one of those big name carriers that's mired in Chapter 11. They would have gladly taken her business. Beggars can't be choosers you know.

    Also Southwest is kind of the Wal-Mart of the airline industry, and being based in Texas knows that a lot of like minded people fly on their planes. She might get a settlement out of this, but personally, I can't see this gal getting much public sympathy should she elect to sue, (except for the fact that she offered to cover the shirt up).

    Strange, this topic should come up. I wore my I Support Single Moms T-shirt to the club the other night, and while it was a terrific conversation piece there, I can't think of any other environment (except for maybe a poker game) that it would be appropriate to wear it. I don't put politicized bumper stickers or Jesus/Darwin fish emblems on my car for the same reason.
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    to each their own..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Susan Wayward
    Now that is just ridiculous and I think this woman has an excellent case should she choose to sue Southwest (by the way, that sounds like it was lifted from the Daily Show's post-Katrina coverage) unless they have a policy to eject everyone wearing anything offensive from their flights, and if you've ever been on a flight to South Texas during Spring Break you know that's not true.

    And tampadancer, the bottom line is this: This is a free country. We are only obligated to respect its laws, not its elected officials. They're not kings endowed with divine right, they serve at the whim of the people. In no way do we have to respect elected officials; it is our job as citizens to criticize them and hold them accountable. Ignorant is thinking that squashing free expression is a good idea.
    "You Go Girl!"

    It is a take off on the Daily Show. And I totally agree, people confuse their loyalty for their country for a political party or an individual leader. The reason we still have freedom as citizens is because we can still voice our opinions about them and hold them accountable.

    And.... SWA is not the "Czar of Speech Control". Just put the plane in the air and get me there.

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    she has no basis for a lawsuit. This is not a free speech issue, a business can refuse to serve you if they so choose unless it's based on race or something like that.

    And as for the shirt itself, yeah, maybe she has a right to wear it, but with rights come responsibilities, and there are people with children in this country. We as a society have norms, and one of those norms is that we try not to expose children to things we consider "adult," like curse words. She should have been more thoughtful and less selfish in choosing to wear this shirt. Personally, I think she's an asshole, and I agree with the sentiments of the shirt.

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    If you have AOL there is a video clip of this woman on the front page right now. I think it comes from CNN originaly
    Last edited by FL Dancer; 10-06-2005 at 04:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Hyde
    she has no basis for a lawsuit. This is not a free speech issue, a business can refuse to serve you if they so choose unless it's based on race or something like that.

    And as for the shirt itself, yeah, maybe she has a right to wear it, but with rights come responsibilities, and there are people with children in this country. We as a society have norms, and one of those norms is that we try not to expose children to things we consider "adult," like curse words. She should have been more thoughtful and less selfish in choosing to wear this shirt. Personally, I think she's an asshole, and I agree with the sentiments of the shirt.
    ^Riiiiiight...which is why Abercrombie make g-strings for little girls. As a "norm", you don't find it offensive that this "Fockers" movie stuff was the most popular movie of the year? Get off your high horse. No one gives a rat's ass about what is said on a shirt...until they feel that it personally insults their opinions...and then all of the sudden, "it's bad for the children".

    Well, I hope they gave her a refund of her money. If her shirt was so offensive that they refused to let her fly, they have to give her the money back.

    Makes SW airlines look bad to the blue state people. I won't fly SWA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess
    ^Riiiiiight...which is why Abercrombie make g-strings for little girls. As a "norm", you don't find it offensive that this "Fockers" movie stuff was the most popular movie of the year? Get off your high horse. No one gives a rat's ass about what is said on a shirt...until they feel that it personally insults their opinions...and then all of the sudden, "it's bad for the children".
    LOL, so true....

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    Well whatever here I guess the shirt could be offensive to some for what reason I dont know and really it doesn't matter - its too bad we have become a nation that is so divided I dont like it but I live with it - I can only hope it gets better .I dont have the answers but I definately dont like the vibe in this country at the moment . Where's the poo !!

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    Story link.

    http://money.cnn.com/2005/10/06/news...shirt/?cnn=yes

    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess
    Makes SW airlines look bad to the blue state people. I won't fly SWA.
    I don't read you there. Would this be any different if the shirt be any different had instead displayed some anti-Democrat sentiment? It was more than likely the curse word (or slightly censored curse word) that got her in trouble, not the political statement which the shirt expressed.

    Yes, I do think SWA owes her a full refund plus reimbursement for her inconvienence expenses considering they let her board at LAX in the first place. But she could have saved herself this whole fiasco by dressing in something more appropriate. If one is going to "express themselves" they had better be prepared to endure consequences for doing so, fair or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Hyde
    she has no basis for a lawsuit. This is not a free speech issue, a business can refuse to serve you if they so choose unless it's based on race or something like that.

    And as for the shirt itself, yeah, maybe she has a right to wear it, but with rights come responsibilities, and there are people with children in this country. We as a society have norms, and one of those norms is that we try not to expose children to things we consider "adult," like curse words. She should have been more thoughtful and less selfish in choosing to wear this shirt. Personally, I think she's an asshole, and I agree with the sentiments of the shirt.
    Business or not, you can not infringe on someone's civil rights. Although I grant you the airlines, schools, and many employers are finding many ways to push the envelope.

    I wonder how many people with F*ck tatoos on their hands are denied boarding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish
    Story link.

    http://money.cnn.com/2005/10/06/news...shirt/?cnn=yes


    I don't read you there. Would this be any different if the shirt be any different had instead displayed some anti-Democrat sentiment? It was more than likely the curse word (or slightly censored curse word) that got her in trouble, not the political statement which the shirt expressed.
    But the reality is that it didn't display an anti-Democratic statement. There was no curse word, there was a reference to a very popular PG-rated movie.

    When they start doing this to people with non-political messages, then the idea that it is not about politics would make sense.

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    Hell, I don't fly SWA because it's full of fat ignorant loud rednecks and their five children, not because of their policies towards outfits on the plane . . . she has a case because they changed their policy in the middle of the flight, by the way. Had they simply decided not to let her board it might, just might, be a different story. They should be tougher; they are, after all, based in TX where "Bush is a punk-ass chump" stickers have flown off of the shelves since 1994.

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    If the TSA were consistent about who they messed with, it wouldn't be that big of a deal. Unfortunately, they're not. One week they're going after stuff like this, the next, they're going after science fiction novel covers and Medals of Honor. The message is, clearly, that you can't avoid making yourself a target -- and that fast-food workers in fancy uniforms with rather too much trust placed in them are prone to being random and temperamental.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish
    Story link.

    http://money.cnn.com/2005/10/06/news...shirt/?cnn=yes


    I don't read you there. Would this be any different if the shirt be any different had instead displayed some anti-Democrat sentiment? It was more than likely the curse word (or slightly censored curse word) that got her in trouble, not the political statement which the shirt expressed.
    No, it wouldn't be any different. If she refused to cover her shirt and told everyone to fock off, then unruliness could be their reasons. But, she offered to cover her shirt...and they STILL denied her passage. THAT is what makes them look bad.

    If one is going to "express themselves" they had better be prepared to endure consequences for doing so, fair or not.
    And, this particular person was willing to make amends to the "offended" parties...so what there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess
    ^Riiiiiight...which is why Abercrombie make g-strings for little girls. As a "norm", you don't find it offensive that this "Fockers" movie stuff was the most popular movie of the year? Get off your high horse. No one gives a rat's ass about what is said on a shirt...until they feel that it personally insults their opinions...and then all of the sudden, "it's bad for the children".

    Well, I hope they gave her a refund of her money. If her shirt was so offensive that they refused to let her fly, they have to give her the money back.

    Makes SW airlines look bad to the blue state people. I won't fly SWA.
    The fact that Abercrombie makes g-strings for little girls is disturbing in and of itself. That doesn't justify this asshat of a woman deciding that she can change societal norms. How'd you like to be the parents of a 7 year old sitting across the aisle from this bitch, and the 7 year old saying "Mommy, what does "meet the fuckers" mean?"

    No one is forcing little kids to see this movie and the movie title is FOCKERS not Fuckers.

    I hope this selfish dumbass learned a lesson, but I doubt it.

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    Oh, and I said I AGREE WITH THE SENTIMENTS OF THE SHIRT. So the message doesn't offend my sensibilities, it's the language. Would you say "FUCK" while in the company of a 6 year old child? Well, this woman is doing just that.

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    ^Bravo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sitri
    Business or not, you can not infringe on someone's civil rights. Although I grant you the airlines, schools, and many employers are finding many ways to push the envelope.

    I wonder how many people with F*ck tatoos on their hands are denied boarding?
    No one is infringing on her rights. If she wants to wear this shirt, she's allowed. And If SW Airlines wants to tell her "we won't serve you" they have that right too.

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    I'll still fly SWA and shop at Walmart because, like most American consumers, I don't give a FOCK about freedom, I just want to pay the lowest price since I need to save money for medical bills paid out of pocket, and for retirement, since I can't rely on social security to be around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Hyde
    The fact that Abercrombie makes g-strings for little girls is disturbing in and of itself. That doesn't justify this asshat of a woman deciding that she can change societal norms. How'd you like to be the parents of a 7 year old sitting across the aisle from this bitch, and the 7 year old saying "Mommy, what does "meet the fuckers" mean?"

    No one is forcing little kids to see this movie and the movie title is FOCKERS not Fuckers.

    I hope this selfish dumbass learned a lesson, but I doubt it.
    I just find in a world where people think violence and sex is good programming...where they can say "bitch" "asshole" and "god damn it" on regular tv...a SHIRT with writing is a bit over-board. Do I let people cuss around my daughter? Sure...I can't stop them. I'll let them know that I don't like it and I do not approve. Usually the "offender" will watch the mouth more. However, I can also make it clear to my 3 year old that that kind of language is not acceptable for her to use and that it will not be allowed in my presence or in my house. What was so bad that they refused passage even AFTER she agreed to cover her shirt? They didn't let her fly because they found the political message of her shirt offensive and whether she covered it up or not, they still remembered what it said. To tell someone that they cannot do, wear, say something because someone else finds it offensive...why that's like having the bible-thumpers telling you that you cannot go to your favorite strip club because it's immoral. It's none of their business and if they don't like strip clubs they should be free to express that feeling, but closing down the clubs is not conducive to "impartial freedoms". Same with this shirt. They had every right to request that her shirt be covered as it caused some ruckus...but what they did was utterly over-the-line...over a WORD.

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