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    Damn, I asked about the vaccine today at the gyno and my doc said he doesn't have enough info. on it. That they're still in testing. Anyone have a link or something where I can get that vaccine?

    I went today, and i'm freaking out.

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    Thrush is a yeast infection and does not come from HPV. Babies get it because they normally have a little bit of milk that stays in their cheeks after nursing since they don't brush their teeth or drink water...especially if they eat and then are put to bed.

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    sad thing is, i read that if you have HPV, the vaccine can INCREASE your risk for cervical cancer development, sucks, dont it?
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    Update: Texas mandates HPV vaccine for girls


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    I'm SO glad that Perry grew some balls and mandated the vaccine. It was on the cover of the papers yesterday. Finally, he didn't let the christian right get in the way of something that will help women.

    HPV can cause cervical cancer, but cerv cancer can also occur for other reasons. I just hope that cerv. cancer doesn't start getting a reputation as a "slut's disease" or something horrid like that........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine View Post
    I'm SO glad that Perry grew some balls and mandated the vaccine. It was on the cover of the papers yesterday. Finally, he didn't let the christian right get in the way of something that will help women.

    HPV can cause cervical cancer, but cerv cancer can also occur for other reasons. I just hope that cerv. cancer doesn't start getting a reputation as a "slut's disease" or something horrid like that........
    WHAT??!! He IS the Christian right! Didn't you notice that he's a Republican? Making a vaccine mandatory is as far from liberal as you can get. I'm not giving my child any vaccines. Now I have one more reason to never move to Texas. Yeehaw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexxaHex View Post
    WHAT??!! He IS the Christian right! Didn't you notice that he's a Republican? Making a vaccine mandatory is as far from liberal as you can get. I'm not giving my child any vaccines. Now I have one more reason to never move to Texas. Yeehaw.
    No, not allowing the vaccine because HPV is sexually transmitted, to ensure the "purity" or our daughters, is christian conservative.

    Vaccinations are not a democrat/republican issue. If you don't believe they help us because of all of those conspiracy theories, fine. But I do know that my parents were all about getting my bro and I vaccinations because they both spend months of their childhood in a hospital convalescing from illnesses that do not occur here because of vaccine. Thus, our experience says yes, its not political, its about your beliefs.

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    Making them MANDATORY is a political issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexxaHex View Post
    Making them MANDATORY is a political issue.
    Parents have a right to opt-out, just like with almost any vaccine. They won't require it before the girl starts school. Its just going to automatically be on the vaccine list. Again, you still have the choice if you're an informed parent.

    Why are you against vaccinations anyway, especially this one?

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    When the government wants to make it mandatory to shoot children full of dead bacteria and viruses that have been scientifically proven to cause health problems, I take issue. It's not just about my own child, I am concerned for other people's children as well. I know of one woman who took her child in for a polio vaccine, and then he developed autism. A myriad of other complications can arise from them as well. My CAT almost died from a vaccination once.

    These are just a few sites/articles you can read on the subject:

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    Errrr... the polio/autism link was disproven about ten years ago. I found that out when I was doing studies a few months ago (specifically read in the book 'Loving Mr. Spock') on Michael.

    Edit: Speaking of... was it the leukaemia one your cat almost died of? That one is NOTORIOUS for killing more than it saves.

    Pick and chose your vaccines based on studies, that's what I do.


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    If my child grows up to want vaccines, that will be his/her choice. I will not allow my child to receive them until it is old enough to make that choice on his/her own. Is there really a dire need for them nowadays anyway?
    I can understand that perhaps you'd want to prevent cancer, but taking care of yourself and doing preventative maintenance is the best way to treat an illness (before it starts!). There is no way to vaccinate against cancer...perhaps just HPV (is this ALL strains of it?), but HPV is almost always preventable.

    I don't know exactly which vaccine almost killed my cat because there was a series of them given at a time. I don't think it was leukemia because I remember her been given that one when she was a kitten.
    She started vomiting profusely and panting. I sped back to the vet's office and they supposedly gave her another shot to slow down the reaction time of the vaccine, I believe. She is okay now, but at the time she had blood in her feces for almost a week and she would not come out from under the bed or eat or drink as much as she did (and this cat was very active). I don't give either cat vaccines anymore because of that. And they don't really need them, IMO because they don't leave the house.
    However, the issue here is with humans...I just don't think everyone needs to have them. If it makes you feel better to get them, go ahead and vaccinate away, but I think everyone should be aware of the risks beforehand. I also strongly dislike the fact that they are pushed so heavily on the youth of the western culture. I'm just not that big on the medical industry on the whole. This is just another area that makes me wary of it.

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    The FACT is that vaccination has protected people from illnesses that had been killing them and their children 50 years ago. Remember polio?

    This isn't just a wild guess. Scientists undergo clinical trials and tests, and it can take decades to approve immunizations and treatments. But I'm not going to debate this.

    Experiencing your cat getting sick from a vaccine isn't scientific evidence of anything....

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    How is HPV almost always preventable? I was raped by my father when I was SEVEN to get it. By 15, I had it full-blown and it was becoming cancerous.

    It passes through condoms. Condoms don't protect. You can't test men for it. It can be dormant for ten years and then become cancer in 3 months when it flares up.

    It's IS NOT easily preventable.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine View Post
    Experiencing your cat getting sick from a vaccine isn't scientific evidence of anything....
    I understand that. However, this is not an unheard of type of incident. In animals or humans.

    It's obvious that they are not all bad, but they are not the right choice for everybody, hence the reason I got upset about the "mandatory" thing. I also could not understand why you really believe that this politician (or any for that matter) has your best interest in mind. It is always about control and money.


    Lilith, I'm sorry your father raped you. In cases such as yours, it was not preventable on your behalf. For similar reasons, I put the word "almost" in front of "always preventable". HPV is an STD. Most STDs are preventable.
    As for the condom thing, I've never heard of it being spread through condoms. I had heard that about herpes but never HPV. Where did you hear this?

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    That wasn't the point... condoms don't protect against it either... and men are carriers and pass it on without ever having symptoms..

    My point was, without going full-scale nun-virgin, how can you prevent it?

    And once you got it, 90% of the time, it's there for life.

    I got fucking lucky.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lilithmorrigan View Post
    That wasn't the point... condoms don't protect against it either... and men are carriers and pass it on without ever having symptoms..
    Ok I guess you posted while I was editing...I'll ask again...where did you hear that condoms don't protect against HPV? I have never heard this before and I consider myself to be a very educated person. Is this with all strains or a specific one? Do you mean when the infected person is having an outbreak of genital warts that condoms don't protect or do you mean you automatically get it if you have sex even with a condom even if no warts are present? Please explain.

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    My point was, without going full-scale nun-virgin, how can you prevent it?
    It's never possible to prevent an STD 100% of the time unless you abstain, but you can limit your chances of catching it by knowing the sexual history of your partners and always protecting yourself. Again I said "ALMOST always preventable".

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    And once you got it, 90% of the time, it's there for life.
    It's a virus...doesn't that mean it's there forever in every case?


    I'd like to hear your explanation about the condom thing but I am done arguing about the vaccines. If someone here decides they want one - whatever. It's not my vag.

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    There have been cases of HPV disappearing on it's own. My became full fledged cancer and then...nothing. There are reported cases of it leaving the body entirely...

    And the condoms thing?

    http://www.google.com.au/search?q=condoms+HPV

    They protect against HPV most of the time - but definitely not all... definitely not when there's an outbreak on the outer genitals...

    CONDOMS DO NOT PROTECT AGAINST HPV 30% OF THE TIME!

    Yes, you can even get it WITH condoms WITHOUT sores.


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    http://www.uwmpost.com/article/c58b6...0e061227950061 <-- cures itself!

    HPV is not an uncommon or incurable disease. Often, after a few years, the body will cure itself, but within this time, cancer can develop. HPV is so common that there is an 80 percent chance that you, female reader, will have it at some point in your life — if you don’t have it now. Unfortunately, no one has come up with a way to test men for the virus, so that number is unknown.
    So how is it nearly preventable when it passes through/around condoms (30&#37; failure rate), male partners can't be tested for it, it can be dormant for ten years and you have an 80% chance of having it?


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    That's interesting stuff to read. Definitely something to take into consideration.

    I find this to be the closest thing to what I was talking about regarding prevention, found in a link from the google one you posted:

    "Prevention

    Limiting the number of sexual partners you have will help prevent transmission of HPV and other sexually transmitted infections. It is controversial whether condom use can prevent HPV transmission. Condoms cover only the penis; HPV may be found elsewhere on the sexual organs (i.e. scrotal sac, anus). The female condom may be more helpful."

    It sounds like we all have some personal issues regarding HPV or vaccines, which has become the fuel for our points of view. I am always interested in learning more about health isues, but I hate having to dissect and defend my explanations and contradict the opinions of others if I happen to disagree. I generally stay pretty neutral about these things, but the main issue I had was with the government having control over young women's bodies, especially with something that is controversial (vaccines).
    I definitely feel for those who have been diagnosed with HPV, but I don't think having a mandatory vaccine is necessary as 9 year olds are not usually not equipped to make an informed decision about their course of medical treatment. That's all I'm going to say about it.

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    I don't think anything should be mandatory, either... but I think a parent should chose only after s/he has been given a test proving they know the pros and cons of not giving their child the medication. Not just 'no because I'm Christian' or 'yes because I wish I had a vaccine when i was 10'....

    ...but that's a perfect world.

    Rarely do people make informed decisions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pan Dah View Post
    I'm not sure what he means by "still testing". The Merck vaccine is FDA approved. Another company, Smith Kline I think, is developing one and it's still in the testing and approval stages.

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    The FACT is that vaccination has protected people from illnesses that had been killing them and their children 50 years ago. Remember polio?

    This isn't just a wild guess. Scientists undergo clinical trials and tests, and it can take decades to approve immunizations and treatments. But I'm not going to debate this.

    Experiencing your cat getting sick from a vaccine isn't scientific evidence of anything....
    I've heard of more children hurt by not getting vaccinated than by doing so. However, you have your own mind, so do accordingly. I just hate to hear of a child getting another infected with a potentially fatal disease b/c the parent's feared autism and such from the mercury in vaccines. Please weigh the pros v. cons on this one before you decide. Many children are raised just fine without vaccines ( a la aussiepunk..), but please take all aspects of reppercousions (sp) into account.

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    I'm just going to randomly reiterate that the polio and autism link were disproven. It's sill unknown what causes Autism.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lilithmorrigan View Post
    I'm just going to randomly reiterate that the polio and autism link were disproven. It's sill unknown what causes Autism.

    I agree, however there are plenty of women on here who do not know the ins and outs from their dr's or research the info until it is necessary.

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