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    I don't think it's necessarily a hustle. I don't make more money by telling people I live in Santa Monica instead of Hollywood. It's just a matter of keeping my personal information to myself for my personal safety. If you've met women who are comfortable enough to see you OTC, great. I haven't met anyone at the club that I was that comfortable with.

    As for the preschool teacher thing, I don't know. I don't teach preschool so I have no idea why I came up with it; it was just the first thing out of my mouth the first time I was asked, so I went with it. I've noticed that guys do really seem to like it though.

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    I'd guess that many of us have dancer "I <like> you" stories with assorted endings, but very few of them are long-term, happy ones. Only one of mine turned out badly when she reverted to her previous lifestyle (drugs); I was 'shopping' at that time and have since learned much better, especially about drugs and strippers. A few have turned out sadly (at the time) because the dancer moved on to another location. One in particular I remember because she was around 40 (I prefer older) and we had lots of common interests - health, music, honesty, etc. She told me that she <liked> me and would be interested but that she had already planned to move into a better business location and industry for her. She also told me that she was a "business person" and would not do have 'real sex' until much later, though she would play OTC for pay. That was OK with me; I would have explored that. I was not out shopping, but she looked like a good deal to me. (I wish I had kept in touch longer.)

    But only one of them turned out long-term good for me. Again I wasn't shopping at the time. My main point is that, as in real life, you have to share many more things than attraction and it has to be the right type of person. It is possible, though many jaded SC-goers are very skeptical about the whole thing, and deservedly so. The 'opportunities' don't come along every month.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amadeus_x
    As a personal note - I don't buy the whole "false persona" thing. I'm not saying that it doesn't exist, I'm just saying that I don't much care for it. I find that reality has much more potential to be attractive and beautiful than does fiction. Of course, I understand that there are those who, for whatever reason (though usually self-imposed), do not find reality all that attractive. Perhaps this is because they don't have healthy attitudes toward sex and/or relationships or view women as objects. I find misrepresentations and objectification to be among the most unattractive things possible. When I go to a club and have a girl sit with me, without making a cent for several hours, give me her real name, and talk to me about her "real" life, I find that so vastly superior to some half-assed sexual fantasy (that usually isn't even a very good one to begin with) that I hesitate to even mention them in the same sentence.
    What do you call a dancer that sits with any guy for hours with-out making a cent?

    A: Broke, what kind of guy are to let her sit with you for hours, a good guy would at least encourage her to go work so that she can pay her house fee's. Your what I like to think of as a strip club bum.

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    Hahaha

    STRIP CLUB BUM!

    Amen. [Not directed at you Amadeus] Just a harsh reality of strippersville.
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    EXACTLY, Chrissy, and well said.

    And I'm still trying to figure out how giving people a different first name and telling them I live in a different part of town is a "half-assed sexual fantasy." But whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah
    Which one really sounds more plausible to y'all - that I am a bisexual swinger who works in film (I am NOT an actress, BTW), or that I am an unattached preschool teacher? If I told the truth, I bet you guys would dismiss me as a liar.
    I would say the first sounds more plausible

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    Yekhefah,

    So at the end of the evening with me you are at home counting your money. I guess you think, wow I took alot of Ricks money, what a chump.

    I'm in my room thinking, I sure hope I helped her have a nice night and make good money, I hope she also had a nice time and enjoyed herself while she was working because of me. I hope she will enjoy when I return more than just for the money. I have a great time when I'm with her.

    See, I understand you are working and can not sit with me for free. But it still does not mean we can't be friends, even if it's just inside the club.

    With this attitude I've met some very nice dancers that I consider friends, we've gone out a few times and I really look forward to seeing them about twice a year when I'm out of town.

    FWIW,

    Rick

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    I never said I was thinking any such thing. I'm probably curled up with my boyfriend and a glass of wine saying, "I had a great night. Came home with $300 and wow, did I have a good time. There was this one guy Rick who was really nice and interesting, and he did/said this really cool thing..." I will be happy to see you if you do come in and I might even remember your name if you were REALLY interesting. I might even like you enough to sit with you and chat instead of hustling the other guys harder.

    But I'm still not going to tell you my real name, where I live, what I do at my full-time job, or give you any other identifying information. You might be telling me the truth about yourself, but you might not be. I am, first and foremost, at work - I am not there to meet men and I'm damn sure not there to put myself at risk. It's primarily a safety issue.

    Maybe it's just me. I tend to be overly cautious ever since my bad experiences; I wouldn't even let my boyfriend find out where I lived until I'd known him a month or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlabtot
    I would say the first sounds more plausible
    Really? Why? If I was a customer and heard another stripper tell me that, I'd think, "Yeah, right," even though it's true of me personally! You have to admit, it sounds like one of the "half-assed sexual fantasies" Amadeus was talking about.

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    I will admit that I have been that stupid girl who sits with a guy she genuinely finds interesting when she could conceivably be making more money. I will also admit that in these situations, I shared truthful information about myself.

    Still, I think most of you will agree that it is a stupid thing to do. I did it because I lack discipline, and so if the club seemed kinda dead, and/or I was reaching the point of dancer burnout, then I'd sometimes waste my time by sitting with someone I enjoyed talking to, instead of forcing myself to do what I had come to work to do (i.e. work). I also have a weird relationship with money: the fact that it isn't very important to me is important to me, if you can follow that. So in some ways, sitting with an interesting non-paying customer was a defiant Fuck You to the evil capitalist values of our culture--sometimes I just needed to reestablish my personal values in that way (yes, I was raised by a Communist.) Or maybe I was just being lazy.

    Amadeus, I think that you must admit that no matter how charming you are, it is rather disrespectful of you to take up “several hours” of a dancer’s time without compensating her. Sure, she was choosing to sit with you , but truthfully, even if I enjoyed a long conversation with a charming non-tipper, I always harbored a little resentment toward these guys. Often they were smart and kinda art-faggy (excuse the extremely non-PC term); either that or science geeks. At the end of the night, I’d be kicking myself for being undisciplined, and mad at them for distracting me from my hustle. Aside from the fact that I’d had an interesting conversation, I generally counted the whole experience as a wash, because I knew they were useless as customers (they just didn’t understand the game well enough), and I knew, too, that they weren’t going to become friends.

    I never became OTC friends with any of these guys. Sometimes I was tempted, but there were a number of reasons that I didn't.

    1) I did have a rule about dating guys I met as customers, mostly for the reasons that Ev mentioned. She is 100% correct in stating that the interaction between dancer and customer is generally not very honest, even when the dancer is not making a conscious effort to lie about her life or project a "false persona." I did neither, but I still behaved differently at work than I did OTC. It’s hard to explain what I mean by this. I made no attempt to falsify anything, and I really didn’t dish out a lot of SS beyond the bare minimum—i.e., I was vague, polite, and flirty while I told the guys that they didn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of getting into my g-string. Still, I was projecting one flat dimension of my personality, specifically tailored to be sexually attractive and charming and exciting and accommodating. The fact that guys in the club were attracted to that was no big surprise, but I didn’t think it meant that they would necessarily be attracted to my full, complex, not-always-so charming or exciting or accommodating self. (God, did that make any sense at all????)

    2) Additionally, there was the safety issue. Someone said that “psychos aren’t judging you based on how many clothes you’re wearing when they meet you…” or something to that effect. But that just isn’t really true. Sex workers are prime targets for certain criminals, and society is less likely to give a fuck when we end up dead in alley somewhere. Therefore, hyper-vigilance is in order. A lot of the reason that I didn’t see customers OTC as “friends” was just plain paranoia. You just never know. A lot of sociopaths are very charming and charismatic. I know myself well enough to know that I’d be more likely than most to be taken in by one of these guys.

    In fact, I didn’t have the “rule” about OTC dating until after I’d been dancing awhile and had some bad experiences with it (including a three-year relationship with a sociopath.)

    3) The final and major reason that I didn’t make “OTC friends” with guys at work is that it just didn’t fit in with my social MO. I’m not much of an extrovert—though I am genuinely a natural performer, which allowed me to project something that looked like extroversion while at work. I’m a 'gregarious loner'—I need a lot of time by myself, and though I like to be around people, it is often more as an observer than a participant. I have room in my life for one or two people to whom I am fiercely loyal, but those relationships demand all of my social/emotional energy, and I don’t have much left over for anything but the most casual acquaintanceships.

    Perhaps if I were a more social person, things would have been different.
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    I am pretty shocked by the grammer and also extremely disappointed, my whole image of you is blown , just kidding of course.

    yekhefah

    Sorry to hit such a nerve. I took it that what was important to you was the money.
    My point was, there are guys you can make a living with and still have a nice time. I also totally understand the privicy issue, I think you should do nothing less. Which leads me to a second interesting and related story that happened to me.


    I met a dancer in Vegas and we really hit it off. We emailed for about 4 months, nice and caring things. I was very guarded for about the first half as I didn't want to get hurt, then the 2nd half I became emotionally envolved. I believe she was very sincere to start, she gave me her phone number and address (I took this very seriously when she shared that much private info about herself). After the 4 months she asked me for a favor, would I send her mom flowers for her birthday as she didn't have the money because of school fees & would pay me back. I sent $44 worth and then I never heard from her again (i would have given her the money). I left messages, emailed, mailed letters, blamed myself and went through about a month of hell.

    2 months later I'm in San Diego and decided to drive to Vegas and confront her. I didn't expect anything to be fixed I just wanted her to know how bad she hurt me. She tried to feed me a story about not realizing it had been that long and wanted to give me dances. I stayed awhile knowing she was lying to me. To this day I don't know why she did this, I would rather have had the truth.

    She's lucky I am the nice guy she knows I am. If she would have guessed wrong about me, I knew where she lived (she told me she had moved, and I could easily have found her anyway), I could have taken her prized English Bull dog or poisoned it. If I was a real nut case, I also had her mom's address.

    I guess what hurt the most was the lack of respect, she simply turned her back on me.

    It's been about 9 months now and I've learned alot about myself through this. Am I fond of a dancer now, yes. Am i being very carefull and keeping things in prespective, yes.

    Rick

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah
    Really? Why? If I was a customer and heard another stripper tell me that, I'd think, "Yeah, right," even though it's true of me personally! You have to admit, it sounds like one of the "half-assed sexual fantasies" Amadeus was talking about.
    When I read 'half-assed sexual fantasies' I understand that to mean the fantasy that the stripper who is giving you a lap dance might actually have wild sex with you. And as you point out, bisexual swinger actually is the reality, preschool teacher the fantasy.

    As far as plausibility, I've met a lot more bisexual strippers than I have met preschool teacher strippers and I know that swinging is more common than most people think as well. But, really, I think you took my comment too seriously...I was just trying to lighten things up... both stories are plausible...

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    Quote Originally Posted by amadeus_x
    Thus, when a dancer sits with me, she is deciding that my company is worth more to her than whatever amount of money she could be making in that amount of time. ....I understand that the dancers are "working". However, they are not employees. They have a great deal of flexibility as to when and how hard they choose to work. In other words, they can both determine and affect their own priorities. If I happen to take precedence over making money, that is great for me and for her.
    There is so much wrong with this on so many levels that I don't even know where to begin.

    See if this makes the point a little more clearly for you:

    "Thus, when a saleswoman at a car dealership sits with me, she is deciding that my company is worth more to her than whatever amount of money she could be making in that amount of time...I understand that the car salespeople are "working." However, they are not employees. They have a great deal of flexibility as to when and how hard they choose to work. In other words, they can both determine and affect their own priorities. If I happen to take precedence over making money, that is great for me and great for her."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick1
    See, I understand you are working and can not sit with me for free. But it still does not mean we can't be friends, even if it's just inside the club.
    You are perfect. This is, I think, the closest to the truth. Dancers aren't lying or presenting themselves falsely at work. They don't magically turn into someone else - they are themselves, with appropriate differences. (The biggest one being that they will engage in sexual behaviour with guys they might not normally so engage with). They are more flirtatious and (also very importantly) more accomodating (except me. I'm still contentious and fighty. I get the guys who like that kind of thing). And when they say they like you, they are not lying - they may like you and like your relationship THE WAY IT IS ALREADY. Yes, this usually involves some exchange of money. But just because dancers take your money doesn't mean they are big filthy liars. And conversely, because they enjoy your company (as a customer) doesn't mean that they are dying to take the friendship out of the club.


    Now here notice an interesting trend: ever notice which guys are all defensive about dancers "really" liking them, really being friends, etc., etc., etc.? Are they usually the guys that "like" the dancers or "Like" the dancers? Sorry. I think distinguishing tone by capitalization is funny. There are guys who really like dating dancers - not because they think they are neat as people, but because they think there is same dancerfriend cachet. These are one's who tend to be superdefensive about whether or not dancers like them. The one's that actually like the dancer as a person tends to... not be. The one time I became involved with a customer someone at my club told him that I was using him for money (I never really did find out why - this person didn't even know me well enough to really dislike me. He probably thought it was true.) The boy in question knew, perfectly well, that I wasn't (I mean, for one thing, if you're using a guy for money he ought to have more of it than you do). This did not lead to pages of email or conversation about the integrity of dancers. Nor did he pull out receipts and a date book to show how little he spent on me, overall (which is still offensive somehow). He said that he thought he could manage his own relationship pretty well. (Trippy huh? Dating a dancer and not seeking the approval and validation of strangers over it?)

    Thus, when a dancer sits with me, she is deciding that my company is worth more to her than whatever amount of money she could be making in that amount of time.
    Okay - I know you are supporting this with hundreds of hypothetical dancers who form platonic OTC friendships with you, but really. Do you actually think this is what is going through a girl's head when she sits with you? That your company is worth more to her than money? You don't think it might have anything to do with the fact that she might view sitting with you as a means of working? You really, really think that this is a SHARED premise here?

    She's lucky I am the nice guy she knows I am. If she would have guessed wrong about me, I knew where she lived (she told me she had moved, and I could easily have found her anyway), I could have taken her prized English Bull dog or poisoned it. If I was a real nut case, I also had her mom's address
    Ugh. You're not perfect anymore. This even occurs to you over a $44.00 flower bill? That is not normal. You seriously think a girl strung you along for 4 months for $44?
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    (2)Some girls view spending a long time chatting up a customer as viable groundwork. Me, I've pretty much picked up on the fact that many guys do come in for attention, and that they won't pay for what they get for free and I'm not too good with regulars. So I personally don't bother - but I don't dance full time anymore either. And I've certainly seen girls cultivate customers this way. You can't possibly think that it is uncommon having so many dancer friends. So you are saying that you really, truly believe that when a girl sits down at your table, she is not doing it in order to sell a dance but in order to exchange her time for your time? That, I will confess, I find hard to believe - not because I find it impossible to believe that dancers like customers, but because the a priori assumption of every dancer sitting with a customer is that she IS going to try to sell him a dance. I find it hard to picture a dancer walking into the bar, looking around and going "That looks like a very interesting man. Why don't I go over there and sacrifice two earning hours talking to him with no intention of making money?" no matter how interesting you happen to be.

    Also - look at your use of language here. You think that you are a friend to them, with no qualifier. To you they are your "dancer friends" - note qualifier. This doesn't seem at all revealing to you?

    And finally - it's hyperbole. Not insult. Chill out man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amadeus_x
    When a dancer spends two hours talking to me, she has decided that the maximum value she can get from her two hours is a good conversation.
    Not exactly.

    Unless you're already personal friends with the girl, I'm pretty sure that she doesn't approach you thinking, "This guy looks super-interesting! My special stripper radar tells me that he's in a band! I think I'll blow off the next two hours of work getting to know him better!"

    She's probably thinking, "This guy tipped me a couple bucks on stage; maybe he's interested in in getting some dances." She talks for ten minutes, gets into the conversation...half hour later she remembers she's supposed to be working, asks if you're interested. (What do you say? Do you ever pay for lapdances/champagne rooms?) If you say no, she scans the room and decides that, at that moment, there isn't a whole heck of a lot of money out there for her....she continues the conversation.

    True, she's making the choice to sit with you, but she may be hoping that you'll end up giving her some cash (cause you seem like a cool guy who understands the game, so why wouldn't you?) She really doesn't know if you're going to slip her a hundred bucks at some point, or decide to get some dances, or tip twenties during her next set (unless you somehow make it clear that you don't do that sort of thing.)

    She makes the choice to sit with you, but you could just as easily choose to compensate her for her time--which, in my opinion, would just be the more respectful thing to do. She's respecting you by not bullshitting you; you could respect her by helping her do what she came there to do (i.e. make money, not friends.)

    Also, how could she possibly know that you would be a loyal friend who would really help her out of a jam if she let you into her real life? Given the choice between a sure twenty bucks and the extremely remote possibility that I've just made a lifelong friend, I'd be inclined to take the twenty bucks.

    That said, it is true that the best way to find out if a dancer is really interested in you as opposed to your wallet is to keep said wallet in your pocket.
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    When I go to the club, I spend all my time with Miss D. My trips are prearranged and confirmed, which works out well for both of us. We dont do dances any more...we just bullshit and drink. After hanging out for almost two years, we know each others stuff pretty well. But I tip her $20's when shes on stage and maybe a $50 as Im leaving, depending on what I have left in my wallet. My conscience wouldn't allow me to sit with her at work for hours without money changing hands. Its a very friendly relationship but still business.

    Its common sense to me. I love my customers but I expect them to pay me. To view the value of her time differently than the value of mine would be insulting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick1
    I met a dancer in Vegas and we really hit it off. We emailed for about 4 months, nice and caring things. I was very guarded for about the first half as I didn't want to get hurt, then the 2nd half I became emotionally envolved. I believe she was very sincere to start, she gave me her phone number and address (I took this very seriously when she shared that much private info about herself). After the 4 months she asked me for a favor, would I send her mom flowers for her birthday as she didn't have the money because of school fees & would pay me back. I sent $44 worth and then I never heard from her again (i would have given her the money). I left messages, emailed, mailed letters, blamed myself and went through about a month of hell.
    Okay, consider this food for thought, not scathing criticism. You said yourself you would have given her the money, so I take it you were happy to do it and didn't expect repayment. If we apply amadeus' reasoning about value here, you decided to send the $44 of flowers because doing so had more value to you than keeping the $44. So therefore, you got your money's worth from sending the flowers without any further interaction with, or repayment from, the dancer. You could have always said no, if the $44 had more value to you than sending the flowers. So perhaps you shouldn't expect any more from a dancer OTC than what amadeus expects from a dancer spending free time ITC with him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rick1
    She's lucky I am the nice guy she knows I am. If she would have guessed wrong about me, I knew where she lived (she told me she had moved, and I could easily have found her anyway), I could have taken her prized English Bull dog or poisoned it. If I was a real nut case, I also had her mom's address.
    You also could have burned her home down, booby-trapped her car, put a bullet through her forehead as she exited her mom's, or kidnapped her and cut her up into little pieces. Kudos to you for being nice enough not to do any of those things even if they crossed your mind.

    In case you hadn't noticed by the subtle parody in the previous paragraph, I consider it somewhat unnerving that you specified the possibility of poisoning an animal, rather than just mentioning generally that she's lucky that you weren't a nasty guy capable of nasty things. But perhaps that's just me being a bit antsy over the whole concept of OTC interactions gone bad.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rick1
    I guess what hurt the most was the lack of respect, she simply turned her back on me.
    I'll grant you that she should have properly "dismissed herself" by saying she was going to get too busy to continue communicating, but I'd suggest taking a page from amadeus' book. As he stated, he gladly will allow a dancer to go hustle if she decides to disengage from her uncompensated conversation with him. He's more than happy to have received what he considers to be the mutual trade-out value of free conversation up to that point.

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    Let me add, at the risk of revealing things that I probably should not reveal:

    I did (very occasionally) encounter customers with whom I connected on such a real level that I felt a little silly doing my stripper schtick with them. That is to say, I really "liked" them. I didn't expect them to buy dances from me because I knew they could see right through the bullshit and I felt it would just be kind of awkward. I enjoyed conversation with them during downtimes, but I never sought them out when it was busy. These were guys who could've been friends if I'd met them elsewhere...but due to my antisocial (and slightly paranoid) nature, I didn't pursue the OTC friendships and we just chatted casually in the clubs when I wasn't busy hustling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicolina
    half hour later she remembers she's supposed to be working, asks if you're interested. (What do you say? Do you ever pay for lapdances/champagne rooms?) If you say no, she scans the room and decides that, at that moment, there isn't a whole heck of a lot of money out there for her....she continues the conversation.
    That's why I always say yes ...

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    btw, amadeus, I don't doubt for a moment that you have a number of "dancer friends" you've met in the clubs. Because you had a serious relationship with a dancer, you may give off a kind of "industry insider" vibe that makes dancers more comfortable than they'd be with the average joe. And perhaps you fit into the category of customer I mentioned in my last post. (Also, if you are forthcoming about your plans to open a club, I can see how that would open some doors....)

    But I am curious about your club m.o.: Do you ever buy dances? You concede that the first few times a dancer spends time with you, she is likely trying to make a buck. At what point (and why, in your opinion) does that change? Do you tell a girl outright that you're not planning to spend much money, but she's welcome to spend some time with you if she's not busy?

    Or do you just have a couple of good conversations without spending much, and she decides that, since you don't spend, you're not really in the "customer" category, but she enjoys your company so much that she'd like to see you OTC so that she doesn't have the conflict of wanting to spend time with you but also needing to make money? Do you usually ask her out (to breakfast/lunch/come see one of your shows) or does she do the asking?

    I'm just curious....
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    Quote Originally Posted by dlabtot
    That's why I always say yes ...
    My kinda guy, dlab.
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    ^For an answer, please read my last post.
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    Not a problem. I figured as much. I'm often a couple posts behind myself...
    Quote Originally Posted by amadeus_x
    (1) I never buy private dances. (I have just become the single most hated person on here!)
    Nah...probably not themost hated. I'm guessing that honor would probably go to mr. punk, who has been banished to the dank blue basement (aka the SCJ Forum).

    I know you've read my "value for value" posts, so I'll just say that according to my value system $20-$30 for three minutes of a private dance is patently absurd for me.
    I'm pretty sure that if I were a good-looking 25-year-old guy with well-developed social skills and a bright future, I'd feel exactly the same.

    Regarding the no private dances point - I wonder if I should even say this, this is going to sound sooooo egotistical and I don't mean it to be but - seriously though, getting to see a naked girl isn't that hard. Maybe it is if you're like 95, but come on, I'm 25. A 25 year old should not have to pay $30 to see a naked girl for three minutes. Not if he gives it any effort that is.
    Agreed. (Not that it wasn't a treat to dance for the occasional hot young stud. )

    (3) Your last paragraph is most accurate to my situation. In the cases where I have become friends, etc. with dancers, it has happened like you suggested. It sort of stopped being a customer / dancer conversation and became a "two people having a good conversation" conversation.
    I figured as much.

    Actually, I didn't realize how young you are. You're a cute 25-year-old and these 18-22-year-olds see you as a peer, not a middle-aged hustle target. Makes perfect sense.

    [btw, I agree about Brad Pitt. I never understood that phenomenon--he looks kinda freakish to me, too.]
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    Quote Originally Posted by amadeus_x
    Wanna go to IHOP later?
    Sure, why not?

    Though, I must warn you, I actually do knit.
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