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    I appreciate what groups like MADD do, and I know they have the best intentions...to a point. But it's getting to be a bit much. The woman in the link below was arrested for having a .03 BAC, and apparently .01 is arrestable.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...101968_pf.html

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    What I find interesting is someone opposing enforcment of DUI laws but supporting kicking a person off a plane because of a t-shirt.

    Oh well to each his/her own I guess.

    Personally I think driving without headlights at night is more of a danger to people than a curse word on a t-shirt.

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    I agree that concentration tests are the only objective ones, not performance. But I don't agree that 0.03% is necessary, unless you have been court ordered not to consume alcohol at all before you drive. You can probably get to 0.01% just by being in the kitchen when you bake bread. so DC's law is stupid and completely unrealistic.

    The 0.08% is like a 120 lb woman drinking a 12 oz beer in 15 minutes and then driving. Doesn't matter about her tolerance, how she feels, or if she has eaten recently. Only the number matters, but it should be a realistic number, proven to produce altered response in a significant number of individuals. The 0.08 does that, and arguably the 0.05% can too.
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    Yeah, you can be arrested for .01. That part is true. The cop would be being a complete dick to do so, but he could. And like Threlayer said, the amount needed to reach .08 is startlingly low. I'm a big guy, at almost 220, and the limit for me is 3 or 4 drinks.(Normally poured ones, at that, with exactly 1.5 ounces of liquor, which never happens) Your liver only gets rid of .015 an hour. I think the laws are a bit harsh, but they are well-intentioned. Basically, if you have a drink, dont drive. I think that's what theyre going for. (eating before you drink does have an effect though. it doesnt alter your BAC, it just takes you longer to reach a higher one, since your stomach is busy with the food, it takes a bit longer to process the alcohol.)
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    As much as I think DUI laws are often too restrictive and people get pinched when they shouldn't, I've also seen people who are sensitive to alcohol become too intoxicated to drive after only one drink. I can see why lower BACs are "arrestable" if the person's behavior merits it. Laws like that leave openings for abuse though, which sucks.

    (Those who I know personally who are that allergic/sensitive to alcohol are asian. Asians as a group tend to be more sensitive to alcohol. Some cannot drink at all.)

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    It goes from state to state, in Illinois is .08 for a dui.
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    My 21 yr old brother was killed by a drunk driver... but HE was the drunk driver. I am thankful everyday that he didn't have anyone with him or hit anyone else. He had a .17. One year later, I got hit head-on on the very same road (Archer Rd outside of Chicago in the SW burbs) by a drunk guy. I don't know what he blew, but he was shit-faced. He left the scene of the accident with half of his truck falling apart and blown-out front tires. (They found him 'hiding' his truck between two trees on the side of the road).

    Anyway, I am against drunk driving of any kind. I do think (obviously) that the above is extreme (0.03, etc), but I do wish the police and court system would be harder on people that ARE caught above the legal limit. The asshole that hit me only got $1000 fine and 2 yr probation. The only reason it was even that much is b/c he left the scene of the accident. I was told that since I didn't die and wasn't critically injured, they wouldn't do anything further.

    I myself used to be a slight offender of this after a night of partying, but not since my brother died.

    (BTW, if anyone cares to read my mom's rendition of my brother's accident and see pics of the car, you can click on THIS link, she wrote about it very vividly)
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    It is a complete misconception that you have to be beyond the statute for legal intoxication in order to be arrested. Your driving skills become impared well before you hit a .08 BAC.

    http://www.health.org/nongovpubs/bac-chart/

    Truthfully, I think the only reason that we haven't seen legal limits moved down to .05 or .06 is because the alcoholic beverage, bar and restauraunt industries have lobbied hard against it.
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    For someone in law enforcement it's a tough call. and you will always be blamed if something goes wrong and someone doesn't like your descision. But in my opinion if i personally was put in a situation like that.....I would have to go with the safer then sorry approach. Esp. in a Drinking and Driving situation...... I think DUI's are serious things to be concerned about. You can make it a gray line but when it comes down to it....I think it's the lesser of the evils to go over the top on.

    Now there are other situation that go "OVER the TOP" infact our police are wasted on them all the time. Like stopping people from getting on planes with shirts. Stupid! No gray area...Just stupid.......Of course then again who of us was physically there? Who saw what happened. Who's to say something else did or didn't happen to make those cops refuse that person onto the plane. And the only thing the media let you hear was that it was only because of the shirt... I don't trust the media and their Story Breaking News.

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    Happy to hear they are getting more and more strict with DUIs. Don't fucking drink and drive.....it's really quite simple.

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    interesting thread as i am in the middle of a dui case myself.... i think its absolutely insane what the legal blood alchol limit is in order to be given a dui.... About a month ago when i got pulled over i knew (even though i wasn't feeling drunk and had only had a few drinks) that i would have blown over.. shit if i would have had 1 drink i would have blown over, so i refused the breathilizer test.... its just a shame though that the people who are blacked out wasted are the ones who get off scott free.... for example an old boyfriend of mine had been partying all morning and night for the Ohio State- MIchigan game, got pulled over that night, said he was about 24 drinks deep and got off scott free... its people like that, who have absolutely no business operating a vehicle, who piss me off.... but on the other hand, i know someone who is not a drinker at all... mabye an ocassional glass of wine at that.... After work one day, she and her colleagues went out to dinner... this woman had a glass of wine with her dinner... she got pulled over, because it was 2:00 am, she was the only person on the road, and got a dui.... how ridiculous... So, because of that, and my case i will never ever drive, even if i have a half of a beer.... its just not worth the thousands of dollars i am going to have to come up with because of my mistake...

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    well, im sorry, but i dont think doing anything that impairs your judgement and coordination should be allowed in any amount when someone is driving... i believe it is ENORMOUSLY irrepsonsible, and i also think that anyone who drinks and drives, or does drugs and drives, SHOULD be arrested...

    please often ask me why i dont drive... well, the reason is, i am on an epilepsy medicine to control migraines, and theres a small risk of me having a seizure on these meds because i dont have epilepsy. that is the reason i CHOOSE to not drive, because im not going to take that chance when i have the responsibility of operating a moving object...


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    my judgment wasn't impaired..i had stopped drinking two hours before hand and only had three drinks the whole night....

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    Here's something else to think about.........

    I have known many "nusciences to society" They don't give a fuck about authority.....they could careless if they hurt you or anyone else who gets in their way.... They will go LOW....as low as they have to to win. They want to have fun and have no responsibility for their actions. Extremely selfish and egotistical.
    I've found that their common trait is that they are Excellent liars and deceivers and will charm the pants off you! They somehow have a story or excuse for EVERY situation. They are amazing...(in a sick way) They have mastered the art form of deception.

    This guy i knew would get into trouble all the time....but he NEVER got IN trouble. If something happened.......he was always somehow involved but never enough that he deserved punishment.....at least that's what he made everyone believe. He would somehow manage to weasel his way out of the final damning verdict .......Basically he had no record or paper trail. He fooled me at first too. I thought he was a great guy and he was really trying to change his ways.......blah blah blah blah.....he was just trying to get me on his side so i wouldn't burn him... That lack of respect pissed me off....

    So finally I caught him. I finally caught him in a situation and he got in trouble for it. And even to the bitter end he denied.....denied responsibility...denied it happened...lied...lied...lied... But for once his lying didn't save him from himself. He was finally being held accountable and paying for his own mistakes and that was all i cared about.

    The thing is...What he got in trouble for was stupid. I mean, if anyone else had gotten in trouble for that they wouldn't have been punished with more then a slap on the back of the hand... But the fact that it was HIM who was caught made it completely different. I made sure he got the highest punishment possible. Not because of what he got in trouble for, but for all the other times that we couldn't catch him red handed and he got away with murder. I wanted him to know that someday it would catch up with him. That he couldn't run forever.....

    So i guess what i'm saying is that things aren't always what they appear to be. If you meet this guy he will have you eating out of his hand and seconds later will use you and abuse you and lie to you or have you lie for him and you might or might not ever realize what's going on. So as innocent as the situation might seem(with a world of evidence to back it up) you can never really know the whole truth.

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    how do a t-shirt and DUI have anything in common? Sorry, not seeing the point you're making with that.

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    as for the "don't drink and drive, at all" people...

    So when I go to a nice restaurant, I can't have a glass of wine? Not ONE glass? I can drink a glass of wine and perform surgery, for god's sake. Get a grip.

    I don't want people getting blitzed and driving around, but for god's sake, there's gotta be some common sense here.

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    totally agree with Hyde on that.. i think some of these posts may be indirectly pointing fingers at people when they don't know the whole situation.

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    Hey guys, when you're discussing topics like this over the internet, it's hard to show your emotion through your tone of voice. I don't think anyone here is saying you can't or shouldn't have a glass or two of wine with dinner, etc. I know I'm not saying that.

    I don't think there's any need to be irked at people for voicing their opinions though. I personally think 0.08 is good, but I do believe more police should enforce this law. I was told by police friends of mine that the reason they don't go after it too much is b/c once it gets to court, it's a waste of time and taxpayer money, b/c a majority of the time the cases get dropped, for variouls reasons. It starts a vicious circle, IMO.

    Food for thought:

    According to Wisconsin D.O.T. , a 120lb female consuming 2 beers (12oz ea) over the course of an hour will have a BAC of 0.064. On the other hand, a 220 lb male having 2 beers in the course of an hour will have a BAC of about 0.023.

    I don't think cops should be assholes about it, though. It seems like they're just jerks to those who don't deserve it. And those who deserve to get caught and NEED to get caught never do. KamrynAnne, I have a close friend that was in your situation and it sucks. I believe I mentioned it before in your thread about it.






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    Times are a changing ! Dont drink and drive ok simple as that take it from one who did on several occasions thank god no one ever got hurt because of my irresponsibilities dont push your desires because one day they will bite you in the ass . Simple !

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    Again, don't drink and drive is not the same as don't get drunk and drive.

    Having a beer with your steak is not the same as having ten beers at happy hour.

    Dammit, I hate no-brainpower zero tolerance crap like this. Absolutism is a hallmark of simple mindedness.

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    My experience shows me that almost none of the drunken drivers are caught. We have in NYS laws against consuming alcoholic beverages in vehicles. While out walking for exercise I see many, many cans and bottles thrown out of vehicles by the highway, especially on weekends. In my opinion the big problem is the lack of adherence to reasonable laws, not the numerical limit of the laws. They can make it 0.0001% and the same number of drunk drivers will be on the road. So what if the catch 10% more of them, that is nothing in light of how many driving drinkers are already being missed. Again the laws are stupid!!!
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    I agree with you on the have a drink with dinner - how many acually have one though ? But for those who do( only have a drink ) ya I can see the problem .

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Hyde
    Again, don't drink and drive is not the same as don't get drunk and drive.

    Having a beer with your steak is not the same as having ten beers at happy hour.

    Dammit, I hate no-brainpower zero tolerance crap like this. Absolutism is a hallmark of simple mindedness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janx34
    Here's something else to think about.........

    I have known many "nu[i]s[]ences to society" They don't give a fuck about authority.....they could careless if they hurt you or anyone else who gets in their way.... They will go LOW....as low as they have to to win. They want to have fun and have no responsibility for their actions....
    I gues you're saying that some drunk drivers, especially the repeat offenders or the off-the-wall drunk fit into this description you've described well. I agree, and there are psych. classifications for these maniacs - narcissist personality, anti-social disorder etc. I think you see a lot of these types at bars endangering, exploiting, and annoying many normal people. These are the types that completely ignore the possible jail and other troubles resulting from their actions.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Hyde
    So when I go to a nice restaurant, I can't have a glass of wine? Not ONE glass? I can drink a glass of wine and perform surgery, for god's sake. Get a grip.
    Spaced out over an hour or two, most people are probably safe with one drink. But how many people do you know who go to a restauraunt have only one glass of their chosen alcoholic beverage? Most I've seen have usually have two or three.

    According to the chart I linked to, one 5 oz. glass of wine affects the driving skills of a female under 120 pounds. Two glasses affects the skills of pretty much any female and any male under 200 pounds. Three glasses affects just about everybody.
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    I dunno about that whole "I can have one drink and perform surgery" thing. I def wouldn't want to be operated on by a guy who just had one drink. So by those standards, I guess I'd have to say just one drink before driving is too much.

    I've done my share of drinking and driving in my younger days. My old roommate and I used to get completely hammered every night and then get in our cars and somehow manage to drive around town. Thinking about it now, it's a miracle we didn't get hurt or worse.

    I don't think there should be any tolerance for drinking and driving. We know everything affects everyone differently, so how can anyone really say that .01 or 3 or 5 is really any better or less dangerous than .08? You don't know if you're impaired after 1 or 3 drinks 2 hours ago - feeling 'sobered up' doesn't necesarily mean you're in full control of your faculties. When you're talking about driving a car around, that's risky.

    I might even venture to say that the people who only drink a little before driving might be a just as dangerous, if not more, than the ones who're hammered because the 'responsible' drinkers BELIEVE they're in full control when they may not be and might be just a tad too confident. At least the hammered folks usually KNOW they're impaired and ought to be careful.

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