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    Default Re: Another 241K AMEX Dispute for Scores

    yeah, I'm sure the wife knows exactly what happened!

    I love how he admits to going and spending 20k, but "someone stole his credit card"

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    I dont see where Scores was in the wrong??
    They called amex on the hour after it hit 10k,then carded him,even finger printed him.

    I dont think Scores is even at issue,its between the guy and amex.

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    How is it possible to spend that much money in one night in a SC? I am with the poster above who said where there's smoke, there's fire. Sounds like funny business on the part of the SC to me.

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    241k?

    How the hell did that happen? Did he buy the club out for the night or what?

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    I figured you musta worked there tampafldancer?

    Isnt that the cost of like 8 dances from your hotness?
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    Like the article mentioned, high-end clubs always take precautions for most CC charges. I’ve been fingerprinted a number of times at CHII. They also make a copy of your driver’s license.

    Once you sign, there isn’t much wiggle room to dispute the charge.

    And many (all?) places charge an extra 10% when using a CC to pay for dances. For a 100K bill that’s an additional charge of 10K just for using plastic, ouch.

    I believe the guy actually spent this much. He probably paid for a whole bevy of beauties, bought gallons of top-shelf liquor and tipped like a wild man.

    But I don’t doubt the guy was hit by a good sell from a number of Scores’ employees. It appears he succumbed to his base instincts and the sell and went overboard. Then he saw the bill, felt like a fool and needed to put the blame on someone else.

    I do feel bad for the guy though.

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    I just read all the papers here today in NYC about this. Every paper had their own spin on how the money was spent....but he supposedly spent this on himself and 3 other guys. OK...I'm no novice here, how the hell can 4 guys spend $241,000???? Seriously.....one paper said they had over 2,000 lapdances....come on......and literally hundreds upon hundreds of drinks, not counting about 30 bottles of champagne....they'd all be dead of alcohol poisioning if this was true! I don't think even 100 people could consume the amount of alcohol they claim he bought. Majority of SC owners are not on the "up and up" in my experience.....there are 3 other cases ongoing against Scores......I think he spent a hefty sum....but no way did he spend $241,000 on 4 guys. That's roughly $60,000 per guy.....There is some kind of shady bs going on. Shit 4 guys could have the time of their lives for $60,000 at Scores. On $60,000 4 guys could have plenty of booze, and the girls would have a good payday.
    The greedy owners of Scores will get their karma payback at some point. Their empire will crumble, I've seen it before.

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    Yeah...no way it's possible to spend that much. I'm guessing the manager figured this guy was loaded and wouldn't blink at a 241K bill, so he soaked him. There's just no way to spend that much money in one night.

    Quantitatively, let's say he got to Scores at 8 pm and stayed until 4 am. That's 8 hours. Round the money to 240k, and that's 30 grand an hour. There's just no way.

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    Eight hours, 2,000 lapdances. That's 250 lapdances an hour. Divided by four guys. 61 lapdances in one hour per guy, assuming they had constant lapdances for eight solid hours. Those are some quick songs - under a minute each.

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    One definately needs to be looking at some numbers for that price.

    That said, a CEO that pays himself $600,000 while using a company card for stripping and company lawyer to fight the charge TO THE COMPANY all while the stock is at a low of 68 cents... sounds like a guy who who short a strip club if he thought he could get away with it.

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    It sounds like every girls who was with them charged them for every song, dancing for them or not. In that case its pretty easy for four guys who are having a blast to get shafted like this.

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    241,000 more reasons to never use plastic in a strip club.
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    It is a lot to spend, but I have to question why Scores would scam anyone. They are a top end club with a good reputation to protect. A very popular place; due in no small part to all the free advertising on the Howard Stern show (and Scores gets hours of free advertising on that show every month). Surely, they make plenty of money without having to resort to these types of scams.

    On the other hand, knowing human nature, many people just can’t help going for the extra dollar if they think they can get away with it. So I wouldn’t be surprised if the guy signed for a lower amount and someone at Scores added an extra zero afterwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish
    241,000 more reasons to never use plastic in a strip club.
    I wholeheartedly agree on this one. Thank goodness I knew when to stop when my CC debt soared. Hmm, in 3-4 years I'll be able to pay it off.



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    Maybe I missed it, but wouldn't he have had to SIGN something, like a reciept? I doubt if I client is spending money like that, that the club would let him leave without signed receipts. If he signed something, and even if someone added a zero, there are ways to catch that, and I would think it would have been done already.






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    Actually, where dancers are concerned the allegedly fraudulent 241k credit card bill isn't the issue. The REAL issue is that all of these high profile high dollar high publicity stories about guys spending fortunes at SCORES and dancers earning $1000 a night at SCORES have absolutely GOT to prompt a financial investigation of the club's books. When that happens, the IRS, the NY state income tax people, and the NYC income tax agency are going to have a 'field day'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    The REAL issue is that all of these high profile high dollar high publicity stories about guys spending fortunes at SCORES and dancers earning $1000 a night at SCORES have absolutely GOT to prompt a financial investigation of the club's books. When that happens, the IRS, the NY state income tax people, and the NYC income tax agency are going to have a 'field day'.
    Good point. The number of stories concerning this place will bring out government types who will start looking at Scores closely.



    But I see that as another reason for Scores to run a tight ship. From a long run point of view, scamming someone isn't good business. In the short run, you make some extra money, but in the long run, you only cause yourself problems.



    But not everyone looks at the long run.

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    "Meanwhile, Savvis shareholders watch from the sidelines as the company's stock still isn't anywhere near the $1 mark. In early afternoon trading on Friday, shares of Savvis slipped $0.03 (4.41%) to $0.65.

    On October 7, Nasdaq sent Savvis notice that it has until April 3, 2006, to regain compliance with The Nasdaq SmallCap Market's $1.00 minimum bid price rule. If the company doesn't stimulate its stock accordingly, it could face the possibility of delisting.

    Savvis announced net losses of $13.7 million on revenues of $166.1 million during the third quarter. The company's net loss was higher and its revenues were lower a year ago."

    Savvis Reports Q3.: http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=82783
    The Smoking Gun: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...51scores1.html

    ...ooops, make that net loss of $13.93 million.
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    Like the article mentioned, high-end clubs always take precautions for most CC charges. I’ve been fingerprinted a number of times at CHII. They also make a copy of your driver’s license.
    Exactly.

    Clubs like these don't take chances with buyers remorse. Protocol for CC charges are fingerprint, copy of drivers license, signed receipts and a call into the CC company.

    They also don't take chances with the IRS. They keep meticulous records.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish
    241,000 more reasons to never use plastic in a strip club.
    You ain't kidding, doc. 241k in a SC? Hell that would be a long time at nicer places than the Moonlight Bunny Ranch. It would be interesting to see the breakdown for that. Private Room Fee, Dancer Fee, Drinks and Gratuity. LOL

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    So how much of the amount was for funny money ?

    Funny money always gets spread around faster.It's not that unusual to have a high roller give huge tips on top of the dance price or to pay a dancer thousands just to hang out all night, again on top of dances or VIP room cost. It is also not out of the norm for these guys to give $100 tips to dancers on stage either. Add that to untold amounts of tips to waitstaff , bouncers, bathroom valet and so on.

    I don't doubt for a second he authorized every cent to be charged to his company Amex.

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    Actually, where dancers are concerned the allegedly fraudulent 241k credit card bill isn't the issue. The REAL issue is that all of these high profile high dollar high publicity stories about guys spending fortunes at SCORES and dancers earning $1000 a night at SCORES have absolutely GOT to prompt a financial investigation of the club's books. When that happens, the IRS, the NY state income tax people, and the NYC income tax agency are going to have a 'field day'.
    LOL
    Fuckin Bingo!!!!!!

    I hope all the girls are seeking other avenues of employment as we speak,before the shit hits the fan!!!

    Its gonna!!!

    I still dont see why folks are down on scores???

    They are not the ones gettings sued???

    Amex is all but saying,the club is right,the custie is wrong,and I agree.

    I have seen 1 guy spend over 50k in a visit a few times before,in a room with 50 dancers,i can see how 4 guys can spend 241k,in a roomfull of 100 scores dancers.

    Alot of top shelf walk across its floors every night.Not all,but a bunch!

    Many top clubs see this kind of thing often,and business is business,they wont forget about the bill the next day,just like the casino's wont for remorsfull gamblers in vegas.

    Scores is to easy a target for making headlines,blame Howard.

    Its what made them and will eventually be its very downfall imo.

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    Clubs like these don't take chances with buyers remorse. Protocol for CC charges are fingerprint, copy of drivers license, signed receipts and a call into the CC company.

    They also don't take chances with the IRS. They keep meticulous records.
    There's lots of records, but that doesn't mean they are honest and truthful. I was working in 2 clubs in Las Vegas during major raids by the FBI, DEA, local enforcement and more. Ha, paperwork is always altered to benefit the owner. Same kind of honesty that makes club owners pour cheap champagne into bottles and sell it for thousands. You wanna know how many custies I saw get the shit kicked out them and left on the ground under Saraha Ave. outside CH2 in Vegas?.....Too many. And they mysteriously got there, with no help from the kind staff....yeah ok.....There is a real ugly side to Strip Clubs, and honesty doesn't play a major role with alot of owners.

    Scores is to easy a target for making headlines,blame Howard.

    Its what made them and will eventually be its very downfall imo.
    Couldn't agree more. The more attention that place gets, the bigger target it is.

    Just because there are 100 dancers or more in a club doesn't mean every single one of them got a cut of money from this guy. I live in NYC, read all the stories so far, and I don't get that impression from it.
    This guy spent decent cash, but there is dirt in this story. And the club isn't innocent by a long shot.

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    I am not saying the club is innocent, what I am saying is that i definitly think it was possible. Think about it. Lets just say that they spent about 400 on enterance, drinks for themselves and such. That leaves a lot of money. Lets say they were sitting at tip row with stcks of 100's or equivilant in funny money. Ummm ... how long does it take to throw down 2400 dollar bills? umm not that long. Divide that by 4, that is 600 bills each that they had. That means there was 600 100dollar bills in each ones hot hand. And you dont think they couldnt tip all that, give me a break. They deffinitly could have spent that money, but I am not saying they did. I really dont now if they did or not, but the cc comp apperantly thinks they did or they NEVER would have paid Scores you can bet you ass.

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