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    Default The state of Alabama SUCKS! No nude/topless law!

    I just found out this week that the STATE of Alabama is trying to pass a no nude/topless law. They want all clubs in the state to become bikini clubs! WTF!!! I have NEVER heard of a state doing this before! I have heard of city and county ordinances, but never a state law. They are voting on the issue on December 1st of this year.

    Clubs are banding together with a single lawyer and trying to fight it. Hopefully, it will come down to us having to do the liquid latex/pastie thing. It is a pain in the ass to deal with that stuff, but it would be way better than having to wear bikinis. I have danced at bikini clubs, but the money is way better at topless clubs for me. In a lot of states, more contact is allowed with more clothing, but not in F****** Alabama! The bikini club I used to work at is in the process of being shut down for doing contact dances.

    What the hell is everyone so uptight about! It's 2005!!! What is wrong with the human body?! I can see why there should be laws about people walking down the street butt ass naked, you have to protect other peoples rights, but what is the problem when it's in a private area (such as a club) and it's just adults?!

    What do you all think?

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    Default Re: The state of Alabama SUCKS! No nude/topless law!

    You're in Alabama. That is the heart of the Bible Belt. I grew up in the South and it's truly another world. There is no reasoning with those people.

    The clubs I remember going in there were all stage dancing. I would find another state to work in. The cities of Memphis and Atlanta are your best bet.

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    Well, I hate to be an "I told ya so" to some people, but the conservative bent that is going around is making these types of people more bold in their enforcement of their morals against "the evil-doers."

    I would like to say the republicans and that crowd would get their clock cleaned in this next election (next year!) but I doubt enough people pissed off about things are going to bother to come out. Most people come out on presidential elections forgetting all about the other ones.

    I wouldn't doubt it if it passes - and other states try to follow the example in thier legislation.

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    Sweetie, I'm an Alabama native...

    You have to remember. We're talking about the same great state where:

    It's illegal to buy or distribute sex toys (although, Ibelieve the actual legislation reads something to the effect of anything that is used for sexual stimulation, but anyway...)

    Medicaid won't cover birth control pills unless they are prescribed for a reason OTHER than contraception

    Roy Moore can give the US Supreme Court the middle finger after they tell him to remove the Ten Commandments from his courtroom

    Elected officials can propose to cut off state funding to any institution carrying literature depicting acts falling within the state sodomy laws

    State sodomy laws (which, might I add, were deemed unconstitutional in the Supreme Court case of Lawrence and Garner v. Texas) include basically everything except vaginal intercourse, unless both partners are married

    Do I need to go any further with this? I'm actually surprised that this hasn't been pushed through previously. There was definitely concern expressed about it when the "sex toy" legislation first came into effect back around 1998 or 1999, because the vague wording of the legislation could have been pushed into covering topless and nude dancing. (Actually, it was so vague that people were concerned that it could even cause textured condoms to be outlawed...)

    As for all the clubs hiring a single lawyer, all I can say is "Good Luck". If Roy Moore could get away with telling the Supreme Court to fuck off, I doubt that the strip joints are going to have much luck. Sad to say. Better start checking out your options around the Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, and Tennessee borders.

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    I think we should let some of these states just sink into the mud like Louisiana. Corruption and stupidity should have consequences.

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    Default Re: The state of Alabama SUCKS! No nude/topless law!

    Now, now... some of us still have kin down in those areas.

    I was always fond of the idea of creating legislation to mandatorily sterilize all the idiots.... following that, I'm all for someone gathering up all the politicians, their offspring, their business partners, and their relatives, and summarily dispatching with them. ('Cause, you know, corruption, greed, and dishonesty seem to be congenital defects within these bloodlines... And Alabama seems to have a long history of relatives ending up with public offices.)

    Controversial maybe, but I can't say I would miss politicians if they were all shipped out to outer space tomorrow.

    Okies... you got me... I might miss them for the entertainment value of watching them fall on their faces sometimes... But I can get the same enjoyment from watching the 1 AM drunks at any bar in town - and those drunks don't want my tax money in return!


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    Default Re: The state of Alabama SUCKS! No nude/topless law!

    but what is the problem when it's in a private area (such as a club) and it's just adults?!
    the first problem is that clubs aren't 'private' ... they're businesses open to the public.

    the second problem is that when money changes hands between consenting adults in exchange for 'sexual stimulation', it's usually considered to be the crime of prostitution. This is probably the underlying legal issue behind the club you mentioned being closed down for doing full contact private dances.

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    Default Re: The state of Alabama SUCKS! No nude/topless law!

    Ohio is trying to outlaw gentleman's clubs staying open past 11:00 PM. The state representative was quoted as saying he'd close down all the clubs. Ohio sucks also

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    Default Re: The state of Alabama SUCKS! No nude/topless law!

    Quote Originally Posted by McCain
    You have to remember. We're talking about the same great state where:

    It's illegal to buy or distribute sex toys (although, I believe the actual legislation reads something to the effect of anything that is used for sexual stimulation, but anyway...)

    Medicaid won't cover birth control pills unless they are prescribed for a reason OTHER than contraception
    Not trying to argue with you, just wanted to point out that I know of two places in my city where you can buy sex toys, but they are in an area seperated from the rest of the store and you're supposed to show ID (over 1 to get to that seperate area.

    Also, Alabama Medicaid has a family planning program. They provide everything from pills to surgical sterilization.

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    Default Re: The state of Alabama SUCKS! No nude/topless law!

    Seems that the symbol is an 8 followed by an ), my post is supposed to say
    ( over 18 )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    the first problem is that clubs aren't 'private' ... they're businesses open to the public.

    the second problem is that when money changes hands between consenting adults in exchange for 'sexual stimulation', it's usually considered to be the crime of prostitution. This is probably the underlying legal issue behind the club you mentioned being closed down for doing full contact private dances.
    I didn't mean private in that sense of the word, I meant private as in, it's behind closed doors, if someone doesn't want to see that sort of thing, they're not being forced to.

    Not trying to blast you, I know you didn't make the laws, but again, what is everyone so uptight about. Off topic, and just my opinion, but when it comes to prostitution, I couldn't care less what two consenting adults do. I'm for legalizing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol
    I would like to say the republicans and that crowd would get their clock cleaned in this next election (next year!) but I doubt enough people pissed off about things are going to bother to come out. Most people come out on presidential elections forgetting all about the other ones.

    I wouldn't doubt it if it passes - and other states try to follow the example in thier legislation.
    This is what scares me the most! What if other states follow their example.

    Personally, I'm a democrat, and it burns my ass that Alabama is mostly a republican state. With the electoral college, it's like my vote doesn't really count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by April
    Not trying to argue with you, just wanted to point out that I know of two places in my city where you can buy sex toys, but they are in an area seperated from the rest of the store and you're supposed to show ID (over 1 to get to that seperate area.

    Also, Alabama Medicaid has a family planning program. They provide everything from pills to surgical sterilization.
    April, I can honestly say that if that is the case these days, then things have changed in the six years since I moved away. I know that the sex toy law was put in place, then lifted, and I read just a month or two back that it had been re-instated. It's one of those things that's going to bounce back and forth in the courts for years.

    As for Alabama Medicaid having a family planning program, that's fairly new if they are including birth control pills now. When I was living there, right after having my first one and attending college, the *Health Department* covered family planning, and Medicaid covered surgical sterilization after a pregnancy if it was signed off by your physician, but Medicaid itself - at the time - categorically did not cover birth control *prescriptions* for the sake of contraception. They had to be prescribed for other things like acne, regulating one's menses, or coping with endometriosis. So, if you wanted free birth control, you just went to the Health Department. But if you're GP gave you a standard scrip for The Pill, Medicaid wasn't likely to cover it at the drugstore.

    Being that I've been gone for six years, it is always possible that the Medicaid regulations have changed. As for the sex shops in your town, I'm sure they're there - there were still a few in Birmingham before I left, right after the first round of legislation went through... but I'm also pretty sure that they are likely on shaky and inconsistent legal footing. And will continue to be until the sex toy law is settled once and for all.

    Don't feel too bad if they eventually get closed down, though. there's a good chance we will start to see a lot of adult-oriented distributors and purveyors closing their doors now that there is an FBI task squad assigned to "clean up" porn, because the federal government has declared porn to be a national safety risk almost on par with terrorism. (One of their first targets? The guy running www.nowthatsfuckedup.com . Specific genres being targetted? Think "fetish". How widespread? Even Suicide Girls has been taking down potentially problematic spreads.)

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    Default Re: The state of Alabama SUCKS! No nude/topless law!

    Idaho has had this law for a long time. Technically even men need to wear a tank top to go swimming as it is the law that all people have to cover up in public places (I don't think this is enforced with men, though). The only time a person can appear nude or partially nude in public is for artistic depictions.

    One strip club tried "Art Night" and placed sketch pads and pencils on all the tables, so that the customers could "sketch" the nude dancers. The club was busted because the police observed no one drawing while in the club. The club fought it in court and lost. Now they are all back to being full coverage bikini clubs.

    I guess the only answer to this situation is that if you don't agree with your communities laws and values, move to a community where your ideas are similar to those who live in that area. This is a democracy, and if the majority of the people living in any given area want things to be certian way, then that is how it should be, majority rule.

    But I guess I can be like that because I live in a very sexually open state, with very liberal political views being the norm here. I've never spent much time in the south, so I really don't understand how it really is there socially.


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    It's been about three years since I lived and worked in Idaho. But as of three years ago, in the Boise area you could eaither work in a bikini club that served booze, or you could work in a pasty-club that was booze-free.

    There was a club in the area (I want to say it was called The Body Shop, but I could be mistaken) that was notorious for breaking the nudity laws... I don't know whether it was ever closed down or not.

    Funny thing is, I remember when this law went into effect in *at least* the Boise area - that would have been 2000 or 2001. For the Boise area, it started over - of all things - letters of complaint written about TOPLESS SUNBATHERS IN PUBLIC PARKS, and became a strip-club crusade from there on in.

    Blame it on the high Mormon constituency, or blame it on the bought-and-paid-for conservatives.

    As far as I know, the girls who really want to do topless or nude make their way to Nevada or Oregon.

    And, Paris, the social norms on sexuality in the Southeast vary widely by geography. For example, ten years ago you couldn't find much more than a standard topless or nude show from a girl in panhandle Florida, but if you hit southern Florida you could see all manners of crazy shit, if you bothered to check out the right club. And Atlanta clubs have almost always been wilder than Birmingham ones... As with real estate, it's all about location, location, location.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McCain
    As for Alabama Medicaid having a family planning program, that's fairly new if they are including birth control pills now. When I was living there, right after having my first one and attending college, the *Health Department* covered family planning, and Medicaid covered surgical sterilization after a pregnancy if it was signed off by your physician, but Medicaid itself - at the time - categorically did not cover birth control *prescriptions* for the sake of contraception. They had to be prescribed for other things like acne, regulating one's menses, or coping with endometriosis. So, if you wanted free birth control, you just went to the Health Department. But if you're GP gave you a standard scrip for The Pill, Medicaid wasn't likely to cover it at the drugstore.
    Women of "childbearing age" who are of sound mind and body are only eligible for maternity services and family planning, through Medicaid. However, in order to use Medicaid maternity services, you have to use the midwives at the health department. You could not use a regular doctor of your choice and have it paid by Medicaid. Same with birth control (which includes: birth control pills, IUDs, diaphragms, foams, jellies, creams, shots, implants, and tubals), you have to go to the health department for your birth control supplies. Medicaid would not cover it if you wanted to pick up a perscription at the pharmacy. As far as Medicaid goes, it's their way or the highway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris
    I guess the only answer to this situation is that if you don't agree with your communities laws and values, move to a community where your ideas are similar to those who live in that area.
    Good idea in theory, but in reality, it's not going to happen. I moved to this state 12 years ago, to marry someone from this area. We have a daughter together, and when we got divorced, he promised to give me sole custody if I promised not to move out of state with her.

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    Update: Seems that the law has been in effect since 1998, but the state has not been enforcing it. The decision to enforce the law was made on Oct. 25th, we have until Dec. 1st to comply! We may even have to wear full bottom coverage!

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    I live in Alabama And I know of several places that go completely nude. What part do you live in?

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    Default Re: The state of Alabama SUCKS! No nude/topless law!

    Well, where I work in Little Rock, Arkansas, you have to have a membership to go in a topless bar. They call it a "private" club because the city it's in is supposed to be dry(meaning they have to have a license to sell alcohol). But, I learned that a "private" club is not so private. The spanking ordeal that was going on in my area taught me that even if it's a "private" place, if ther's more than 5 onlookers, you can still be charged with "obscene performance in a public place". And I also learned that any sexual act or, even pretending to sodomise someone with clothes on from behind, for example, is a felony if more than five people see it. And, in Arkansas, at one club in particular, there are no "lap" dances. They offer private dances where the girl is three feet from the customer dancing on a small scale stage, and even THAT is considered prostitution if sold as a private dance. They specify that the $20 is a TIP, not for the dance itself. IF you want to know more about wierd laws, email me.

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    Default Re: The state of Alabama SUCKS! No nude/topless law!

    The USA is one of the most moralistic developed nations in the world. And Alabama is maybe it's most moralistic state. (It probably also has the most nervous sheep in the country.) How could you have expected much enlightenment in the Bible Belt?

    Get the heck outta Dodge.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    Default Re: The state of Alabama SUCKS! No nude/topless law!

    Blueyegurl_05, I live in LA (lower Alabama). Do the nude clubs you talk about serve alcohol?

    Personally, I'm not interested in doing nude, but from what I hear, it won't be nude anymore after Dec. 1st. Maybe this only pertains to clubs that serve alcohol, though. I plan on asking my boss this Sunday, we're having a meeting.

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    We have a small reprieve, well, just the clubs that are fighting this thing. We were told by our boss that we have until our court date, which is March 1st, so it's business as usual, for now. The smaller clubs that didn't have the money to fight had to start Dec. 1st, though.

    Keeping my fingers crossed that this thing turns out alright!

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    Quote Originally Posted by April
    Keeping my fingers crossed that this thing turns out alright!
    Grew up in Alabama, loved the place.
    But as far as keeping my fingers crossed,
    hey, you gonna have to keep it crossed
    a long time.

    Only other thing I can say is, don't hold your breath.

    I hope things do turn out all right,
    but I am skeptical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol
    I think we should let some of these states just sink into the mud like Louisiana. Corruption and stupidity should have consequences.

    Being from Louisiana....that hurt.

    I started out in a bikini bar, and my opinion is if you've got flare and a sexy show you'll make your money. There was a topless bar less than 10 miles from our bikini bar, but we stayed with a full house. It's all about atmosphere. And besides if it's state law then the customers know what to expect.
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