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    Default Is stripping well past it's prime?

    I thought this might be more appropriate for this section than the customer one, but I apologize if this breaks protocol. You strippers have one very interesting community that's been developed here.

    So, my question is whether you think stripping is fading as a glamorous profession? I assume there isn't much debate that it isn't what it once was. I'm not as familar as you dancers with the income side and how today's market compares to earlier ones, but I do know that there is not even close to the energy level of the late 80's or early 90's. At least anywhere I have seen lately. I recall clubs in Vegas, Dallas and NYC had celebrities, sports figures, or just wealthy businessmen laying down serious cash. And the top clubs in those areas usually had dozens of gals who looked like Playmates (better as they had no need for airbrushing) cavorting around.

    I'm curious whether you think that environment is permanently a thing of the past, or if there are some economic, cultural or other factors that may be temporary and when they abate we'll see that kind of atmosphere again?

    Anyway, I hope this is an interesting question for the board. If so, I'd love to hear your take on this.

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    It's glamourous only if you make it so.
    Shaking tits and ass in front of non appreciative people to me, is never glamourous..going in there acting like you are the DIVA (but not treating other dancers like crap...I usually keep to myself anywayz) and doing SHOWS instead of T/A....used to be what I did.
    Unfortunately the state I was in didn't appreciate that (Vegas would, Va would NOT).

    So I think it's glamourous, yes...just depends on who you ask. It's all in attitude and how you carry yourself. If you carry yourself and act like a $2 whore, you are. BUT....you can be a god damned glamorous $2 whore if you have the attitude....and people won't really know the difference in dim light with a few drinks...

    This profession is an ego boost....


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    I don't think people can or will permanently evolve away from the desire for sexual entertainment and social contact, which is the demand that strip clubs economically answer (in a different way, and for a different cross-section of society, than prostitution.) I do think that in America, the economy is largely in a craphole, and that's problematic. I don't think that craphole is *permanent*, though it may be long-term, like a couple of generations -- we're turning rapidly into a "second world country", and I'm gonna want to move to Europe one day if this doesn't turn around soon.

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    Suggardaddyla, those who are over the age of about 35 can truly relate to your point as they would have been 18 in 1988 and could have seen the biz back then. ...and i remember it somewhat as you describe. ...and yes the change is permanent except maybe for some city that go's through a huge economic bubble such as Dallas/Houston did in the 80's, SanFran in the 90's etc... ...pick an item such as sex or violence in movies and you can go back 80 decades and compare what is socially acceptable in terms of morals or sexuality or whatever. Instead of sleeping in full pajamas and seperate beds, Lucy and Desi would be groping and french kissing in the same bed these days. ...and no, i am not a 34 year old dancer.

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    I remember dancers back in the 80's...and I am not 34 yet either.
    Yes, things have changed...and I don't think we are becoming a second world country...(although most of the country thinks we are idiots for electing Bush into office)...but I had rather go back to Europe anyday.

    I think the world has changed, in a big way...and it is NOT for the better. Morals are for the blind, now...this is true. (quoting a poem of mine, long...long...ago)


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    The economy in America, at least, is becoming crappier and crappier by the day, and people are spending less and less on luxury items. The whole reason for the Employee Discount on cars had to do with the fact that people are more willing to fix their old cars than buy new ones. 20 dollars for three minutes of a nude or topless show is one of the first things to go out of a guy's budget.
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    Dancing has totally changed since I started in the "96.

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    The economy is getting worse and worse in front of everybody's eyes.It's funny how people are now considering europe,it's all true.A lot of my friends even went back to RF (Moscow),and are very happy to have made this choice.The business seems to be getting worse and worse by the week,nothing like the early 90's.If you're working in the most known club,it will still be somewhat glamorous,but I've noticed that people are looking more down on you for being a dancer than they used to.Some smaller clubs in smaller areas I've seen had disturbing things going on.But we're still hoping for the comeback.

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    things can still turn around, im holding out hope. once we get rid of this nutjob in office people will start looking up and spending more and being more confident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss. Kristina Lee
    things can still turn around, im holding out hope. once we get rid of this nutjob in office people will start looking up and spending more and being more confident.
    You know, I never equated the downfall of the biz to who was in office, but I have to say there must be some correlation. Stripping during the Clinton administration was a blast! Lots of energy and lots of $$$.

    I disagree with one of the statements above that it is more frowned upon these days though. If anything, in my area, it is so mainstream that custys just seem bored. Not the same thrill as it used to have.

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    I started dancing in 95ish as well.

    Things have WAY changed but look at the economy and better yet look how MTV's and BET's videos portray us, or women for that matter. In most videos they show the girls dancing around basically naked acting friggin skanky

    There are a LOT of young girls that think being degraded is "cool". That's why there are so many 18 and 19 year olds with zero class running around these days. They also think the word pimp is endearing to call their boyfriend. Its pretty fucking sad if you ask me.

    Our jobs can be glamour and glitz depending on how you yourself deal with it all. I love what I do. I truly truly do. I've danced for 10 years. This is my career. However, Im well aware of the bad in this industry. its not always diamonds and 100's. Although it should be lol

    For the dancers, if you walk in there commanding and demanding the best you'll get it.

    The clients have a part too in how the industry is .

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    Quote Originally Posted by thechaosfairy
    I don't think people can or will permanently evolve away from the desire for sexual entertainment and social contact, which is the demand that strip clubs economically answer (in a different way, and for a different cross-section of society, than prostitution.) I do think that in America, the economy is largely in a craphole, and that's problematic. I don't think that craphole is *permanent*, though it may be long-term, like a couple of generations -- we're turning rapidly into a "second world country", and I'm gonna want to move to Europe one day if this doesn't turn around soon.


    I absolutely agree with that! It's funny i was just talking about moving to a different country and which one would it be to my husband lol.

    As for stripping being "glamorous", I think that it will be back up in the spot light soon as the pole dancing and exotic dancing classes are the new craze for work outs and all. Society has always molded the minds of our young and since it's now okay to take those types of classes and learn those types of things, not to mention watch the music videos and all that jazz, i'm pretty sure that in a few years stripping won't be as taboo as it has been in the past. I think that it will become more the norm than many think. I agree that it's all in how you think about what you are doing...but it's also how others think and accept what you are doing too! They are the ones who pay us so we benefit when more people accept it and more people come out to see us!
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    I remember when the $$ was better back in the day. However, Even back then when I danced I never thought it was a "glamours" job. It was just a jobthat required more maintence. But back then it seemed you had to dress up classy,and have hair ,makeup perfect. The dances were minimal contact,with no extras. Now a days theres alot of "extras" and costumes are "skin to win". So basically,the buisness has just changed,like all things do. You now have to roll with the hustle,and may the best dancer win.

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    Well, economy aside... Dancing just isn't as 'taboo' as t used to be. Men used to take clients to the club, rockstars would frequent them in any city... there are a dozen stripclubs in any town now; too many clubs, not enough money, not enough thrill.

    To compensate for this, girls are doing 'extras' for more money and management is letting them for the same reason. This pushes the good girls out of dancing, pushes the good customers out of the club, rules get made tighter by the goverment or state officials, and soon enough it's just to hard to be a stripper.

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    Default Re: Is stripping well past it's prime?

    Immediate question, when was it's prime? Contemplated answer, never.

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    I don't agree with that Jessica. In the late 80's and early 90's $500-$1000 per night was normal, depending upon your geographical area. Speaking from an economical standpoint, that was it's prime.

    From what view would you be saying never? Economically, entertainment wise or something else? Or are you saying that it hasn't reached it yet?

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    The big change in the last ten years has been in communication and information production. It was always exciting going to a strip club twenty years ago because you never knew what your were going to see or get. Now, as a result of sites like this one and others, the mystery is gone. Plus, we cannot discount the explosion of internet porn with countless girls next door fucking and sucking for a couple of hundred dollars. Can we go back...NO. Pandora could not close her box.

    As a side note...if you are thinking of going back to Europe or wherever the fuck...GO! This is the greatest country in the world...despite the government.

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    Immediate question, when was it's prime?
    I would speculate somewhere between 1993 and 1997. During this period of time, the internet, cable TV etc. had yet to become the widespread source of nudity and XXX material that they did in subsequent years. During this period of time, the dot-com businesses were riding a curve of rapid growth and high profits, before turning around in subsequent years. Thus during that time period, exotic dancing was still looked upon as 'show' business rather than 'sex' business, and many many guys had lots of money to spend in clubs without expecting sex for money in return.

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    I am in the mist of reading a book titled "Trading Up". It concerns itself with the reason (despite monetary income) people will sacrifice 'trade down' in some areas--meaning that one will by generic to save money with certain things. But what causes one to 'trade up' is an emotional need being met, despite it's technical or functional value. So, I am still reading this book right now but have taken pages of notes! It turned my thinking around to see that the club still has the potential for a "come back" once quality standards and expectations of "fantasy and entertainment" come back into play, so will the clubs.

    Now I do see this will take much effort on club owners, and entertainers parts, and who knows if that will ever be so...after all look at the quality of club atmosphere at most clubs nowadays, compared to the higher standards and allure brought in days gone by.

    In concluding NO, not passed it's prime, just lapsed into a non-expectational on the 'fantasy & allure' side, unfortunately.
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    Justine- good point, however, clubs were plenty sleazy twenty years ago. Its just most people could only guess what went on behind the green door. Now we know, and thats why they can't go back.

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    Well, Mr. Skanklover, that is true as well...BUT there still remains that emotional need to see and be seen with beautiful, entertaining, classy girls that otherwise (might) not pay you as much attention you are going to (or should ) recieve at the club...most people that I know are there because they need a good ear attached to a beautiful face and/or body...so let's not give up!!!
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    Exactly Justine, the clubs need to evolve. I think in terms of the Japanese Geisha for higher end clubs. Of course I myself never seem to tire of just sitting around with attractive girls in bikinis who for twenty dollars will sit on my lap...where else can you get that with so little work invloved?

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    TRUE! --thanx !
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    Default Wow, some good thoughts

    Some very interesting comments and they've made me think further on a topic about which I definitely already had an opinion. For what it's worth, here are a few thoughts:

    First, if you think the economy is bad right now then I would not hold your breath that things are going to get better before they get worse. I won't turn this into a boring economics discussion, but I work in finance and can tell you that economists who expect things to slow gradually over the next year are considered raging bulls right now.

    That said, I also don't think that what I see as a decline in strip club environments, or at least the top club environments, is driven by the economy. Companies are reporting earnings well in excess of the 90's and consumers have been given bonuses equal to well more than their annual pay over the last few years in the form of taking cash out of their homes. So, money has been flowing.

    I hadn't thought of blaming the Prez, but maybe there is something there. A lot of public entertainment (see movies for example) are showing weakness now so maybe people stay at home more to be entertained. But maybe the moral tone set by the whole war on terror is having an impact.

    I've also thought about the answer that there are just too many clubs. I mean, it's true that in Vegas or Dallas now I don't even know which club to hit as a customer. And girls jump from one to the other trying to find the hot spot to make a better living. Scores in Vegas seems an attempt at a throwback to the excesses of the past (now that it's managed by the Club Paradise crew) but the nicest interior in Vegas has mostly average gals working there now. Why is that?

    Anyway, I'm not sure why but I am definitely in the camp that, as a customer, strip clubs don't offer what they once did. And that is too bad, because I had some great times.

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    I would also like to add my personal thoughts about the downhill slide of this business. I don't want to offend any of my stripping sisters out there, so please don't take this personally.

    When I first started dancing here in NJ, there were no lapdances. You did 6 to 7 half hour sets on stage. Base pay was $18 per set. Tips were given to you by the customer while each of you was on opposite sides of the bar. Minimal touching...i.e. booby tips and the occasional g-string tips.

    Your stage show was the key to making these tips. You had to be energetic, able to interpret the music, dance and be good looking. Costumes were more dramatic as well. Even as a newbie, I would come home with $500.00 easily. You spent your half hour breaks changing (you had to change your costume every set) and then sitting and drinking with customers. There were no extras unless they were OTC.

    Now, with lapdances being the norm, your shifts are non stop hustle. Custys expect more for their money and girls are competing against each other not with talent, but with extras. Not a lot of girls put on a show anymore and the best looking and more talented girls are not always the ones that bank. I am so spent after a shift; mentally and physically. In those days, you went home limping because you had to dance a lot, but the hustle was not the same exhausting thing it is today.

    I don't rightly know if this has anything to do with it, but, being there then and now...it seems to have some basis in fact. I refuse to blame it on the foreign girls because they have always been around in this area. Now it is heavily Russian, but back then it was Brazilian. Where the girls are from makes no difference, IMO.

    Any comments? (sorry about the long post)

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