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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaedrusZ
    Off-topic, but why the opposition to homeschooling?
    I oppose homeschooling (on some levels) because the children are not apart of society. They are not around their peers, just indoors for hours upon hours per day. Young children need to be around their peers. To learn about diversity, tolerance, and develop social skills.

    How do you think an adult feels when they look back on the last 14yrs of his/her life? They didn't have a life. They have no (in school) childhood memories that we all have. For ex. Having a crush on the boy/girl sitting next to you, going to a school dance, shoot how about PROM?!!!

    You need to have real life experiences. I feel like for some parents to keep their kids in homeschool environments, they are treating them like they are the BOY IN THE BUBBLE. You have to let your child grow...







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    Quote Originally Posted by cinammonkisses
    I oppose homeschooling (on some levels) because the children are not apart of society. They are not around their peers, just indoors for hours upon hours per day. Young children need to be around their peers. To learn about diversity, tolerance, and develop social skills.
    Specifically ignorance of different types of people and lifestyles fosters the ignorance that seems to cause racial hatred. Further, that degree of isolation can inhibit being prepared for real life in many other ways. In the same way that not being exposed to some infections doesn't prepare the immune system.

    But I can see both sides of home-scholling in general. When and where I went to public school, things were socially better than they are now in schools. And the schooling was better too.

    I wonder if there is the concept of a homeschooling network? One teacher cannot teach everything you need to know from elementary thru high school levels. Teaching is not a simple activity that anyone passing thru high school can do successfully. Some public school systems allow some low level of participation (excluding most extracurriculars), but this would seem to bypass the isolation parents seem to want.
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    ^There are homeschooling groups in almost every area. They go on field trips, and some even combine all the kids and teach them that way. They are most definitely socialized and not sheltered and kept away from society. Sure, there may be some parents who strictly homeschool at home. But there are far more that choose to teach in groups and have very social group activities.

    Things are a hell of a lot different than they were when I went to school. I saw the change when my Son was even in KINDERGARTEN. The bus situation got so bad that I came home from working 3rd shift every morning, got the kids ready, and drove my Son to school. Then, I picked him up. He was pushed, and even had death threats made against him. Death threats against a FIVE year old.

    There's a difference between treating them like they're the "Boy in the Bubble" and protecting them. It's latter is your job as a parent. They only get one childhood and it's the parents' job to make it count.

    Who says that Homeschoolers can't have a prom? Or crushes? If they are in a social homeschool setting, they most certainly can, and do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaedrusZ
    Off-topic, but why the opposition to homeschooling?
    I think the home school stigma comes from the fact that the most often those who we see or read about that home school their kids do so to indoctrinate kids with various propaganda such as we see with these "Prussian Blue" girls for example.

    I think if those who don't have that intent, like Rhiannon for example , were more vocal the stereotype would change alot .

    My personal objection to home schooling is more along the lines of are how many parents qualified to be teaching subjects like chemistry or advanced math, science or foreign language courses.

    I don't see a problem with grade school level home schooling ( if kids are also put into social situations ) but I question middle and high school level home schooling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amethyst
    Both of you are making excuses for racist propaganda in the form of music. Gangsta rap (the "kill/blame/f*ck whitey" brand) is no more appropriate than Prussian Blue's bullshit and no amount of history lessons or "they did it fir-irst" will change that.

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    Its one thing to be proud of your heritage. I'm proud of being Italian, and I am proud to see CinnamonKisses Smile, but the line of racism is drawn when you look at someone and feel that they should hate themselves for their heritage. Its no different than the catholics telling gays their only entrance into heaven is to not have sex.

    Fortunatly, america is about equality, I had a Muslim fellow employee who's mom was to ill to celebrate Ramadahn <sp?> so I celebrated it with him. I made it too. He isn't evil because he's muslim, he just plain isn't evil. One of the most integrity driven people I have ever met.

    We'll never leave Hate. and all its forms. Its not going to happen, its a Ying Yang of life, all we can do is enforce laws that stipulate that once this passes freedom of speech that the nation does the right thing to protect the potential victims.

    Are we no better than to cast hatred on these girls for spewing their message of hate to people with similar beliefs? Call me crazy, but giving it a name of Racism just catagorizes hate. We, as a people, have a right to not enable these youths by not buying their albums, boycott them...etc... sure, its not much, but its what we can do.

    Do I think what these girls are doing is right? Nope. I feel sorry for them for missing out on all the cultural differences that are so incredibly interesting and learning why Budhism is so important to a Buddist, etc. However, until they break a right, I feel that its my business to change the channel or not buy the album, but not cast hate on them for what they are doing.

    Don't get me wrong, I think this thread is a great outlet for opinions on this issue, and this is a most appropriate way of handling it <ALL I AM SAYING is that I AM NOT SAYING that posters are wrong for being upset with this topic> however, if a Racist hates you for being who you are, and you hate them for being racist, who truly is better. Is one better? I really don't know. I wont waste my hate on you.


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    I think the home school stigma comes from the fact that the most often those who we see or read about that home school their kids do so to indoctrinate kids with various propaganda such as we see with these "Prussian Blue" girls for example
    ... as opposed to public school kids being indoctrinated with NEA and state ed dep't 'officially sanctioned' propaganda ?

    We'll never leave Hate. and all its forms. Its not going to happen, its a Ying Yang of life, all we can do is enforce laws that stipulate that once this passes freedom of speech that the nation does the right thing to protect the potential victims.
    I'll accept this premise ... if only the potential victims of all races were equally protected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    ... as opposed to public school kids being indoctrinated with NEA and state ed dep't 'officially sanctioned' propaganda ? .
    NEA, as in National Endowment for the Arts :
    The National Endowment for the Arts is a public agency dedicated to supporting excellence in the arts, both new and established; bringing the arts to all Americans; and providing leadership in arts education.


    What is wrong with giving kids education in the arts ? I fail to see how teaching kids about Mozart, Degas or Charlie Parker is teaching propaganda.

    Music involves ratios, fractions, proportions which help kids in thier math studies. Studies have also shown that kids who learn music, regardless of socioeconomic background, get higher marks in standardized tests such as the SAT.

    Drama classes have been shown to improve kids verbal and memory skills.

    Dance has many of the same benefits as learning music and keeps kids more active physically. Considering the obesity rates in children in this country, well I don't see the problem with exposing kids to it as an alternative to sports.

    How is encouraging kids to play the piano or express themselves through painting, creative writing, dance or drama indoctrinating them with propganda?

    And if so what is the message of said propganda and why is it a bad thing to expose children to ?


    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    ... if only the potential victims of all races were equally protected.
    Which race or races are you refering to ? Who do you feel is not being equally protected ?
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    On a funny note, do you see the way that one little girl is hanging from that swing set pole? Future stripper, future stripper! LOL

    I can't believe that shit like this still goes on in America. Those kids aren't to blame, obviously. They're bizzare fucked up family is!!

    I mean, the kids don't even know what they are talking about. "we want to keep staying white.." Like, as if they're gonna wake up one day and be another race if they don't continue to hail hitler? What the fuck?

    I recently had a VERY scary experience with racism. I was going to work on a friday night, and I took a cab... OKAY! So, my roommate is a black guy. I'm white. My roomie walked me out to the cab and gave me a hug. Well, my fucking psycho cab driver who is obviously in the KKK told me he knew, this is SO sick so don't read on if you don't want to hear something horrible, a group of men that would burn kkk in the forehead of of white girls who dated black guys with acid. I seriously was clutching my pepper spray, thinking this guy was going to abduct and kill me or some crazy shit like that!! I had him drop me off at a casino, not the club I work at, and took another cab from there. I also got his cab number and called tai cab authority.

    This is a sick and sad world, I don't understand having that kind of hate for people.

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    Aaaahhhhhhh yes Wonderful Bakersfield CA. many stories.......

    My boss saw someone get shot to death when he stopped for gas in Bakersfield on his way through to San Diego!

    A guy who was driving crosscountry pulled over and took a nap in his car in Bakersfield. Some dude walked up to his car shot him in the head and walked away. Didn't know him....didn't steal anything....just shot him...

    Most missing person posters I've seen in Cali are of people who were from Bakersfield.

    It's a really diverse and interesting place. I don't recommend anyone ever set foot in that town for their own safety.

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    I think melonie is refering to whites and our mistreatment by the liberal media over the past four decades. (Typical conservative crapola I think...Melonie must be from Texas?)

    I agree with Mastridonus...Hate is hate regardless of color or national origin. The bottom line is that when you believe that someone does not deserve to live because of what they are rather than who they are that is a problem. These girls are being taught to hate others who are not what they are...that goes beyond being taught to be proud of who you are.

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    NEA, as in National Endowment for the Arts :
    I assume that you're breaking my ... chops ! ---> will take you to the National Educational Association, which wields a great deal of clout in regard to selecting 'acceptable' textbooks and curricula for use in public schools throughout the country.


    Originally Posted by Melonie
    ... if only the potential victims of all races were equally protected.


    Which race or races are you refering to ? Who do you feel is not being equally protected ?
    well, lets see ...



    or

    (broadcast nationwide by C-SPAN at taxpayer's expense, technically making the US gov't agency an accomplice in the crime of disseminating hate speech)

    or my personal favorite


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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    I assume that you're breaking my ... chops ! ---> will take you to the National Educational Association, which wields a great deal of clout in regard to selecting 'acceptable' textbooks and curricula for use in public schools throughout the country.]
    nah, I thought you were refering to National Endowemnet for the Arts and was thinking , wtf ?



    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    well, lets see ...

    or

    (broadcast nationwide by C-SPAN at taxpayer's expense) or maybe
    I'll have to read those before responding. I'll get back to you tomorrow if I feel I have anything further to add on that subject.

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    I oppose homeschooling (on some levels) because the children are not apart of society. They are not around their peers, just indoors for hours upon hours per day. Young children need to be around their peers. To learn about diversity, tolerance, and develop social skills.

    How do you think an adult feels when they look back on the last 14yrs of his/her life? They didn't have a life. They have no (in school) childhood memories that we all have. For ex. Having a crush on the boy/girl sitting next to you, going to a school dance, shoot how about PROM?!!!

    You need to have real life experiences. I feel like for some parents to keep their kids in homeschool environments, they are treating them like they are the BOY IN THE BUBBLE. You have to let your child grow...
    Home schooled kids are not necessarily kept in a bubble, so to speak. There's more to a kid's social life than school- afterschool lessons and teams offer a social environment that is generally more positive than school. Also, kids waste less time in homeschooling. Learn what needs to be learned, then go play! No need to spend 7 hours a day in school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WiseGuy_TX
    ....here ya go. I found a few links.


    Blog away and let them know how you feel:
    See the video:

    They kinda suck don't they? With all the hoopla I was expecting a little more.

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    yeah they do kinda suck, but that's beside the point ... half the 'hot' recording artists kinda suck as far as my ears are concerned. The real issue is as follows :



    (snip)"Imagine a white country-western singer performing lyrics that call on whites to torture and kill blacks, and imagine him rising to fame with backing from major record labels. The image is not believable. If a white singer tried to build a career today by spewing out violently racist lyrics, the outcry would be immediate and overwhelming, with denunciations, pickets, and perhaps even violence at music stores. The double standards of the entertainment industry are such, however, that viciously racist lyrics do become popular when the artist is black."(snip)

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    Quote Originally Posted by scarlett_vancouver
    Home schooled kids are not necessarily kept in a bubble, so to speak. There's more to a kid's social life than school- afterschool lessons and teams offer a social environment that is generally more positive than school. Also, kids waste less time in homeschooling. Learn what needs to be learned, then go play! No need to spend 7 hours a day in school.
    I don't oppose homeschooling but DAMN it sucks for the kids when it's done wrong and you are sheltered and miss out on all the social events of regular school. It sucks when you're a 22 yr old just figuring out simple things that people learned in grade school. You feel held back. To far behind and not worth trying to catch up. When you can't talk to people because you never had any experiences that they had that you can relate to. You never had this class or that class or read that book ...........

    I know this personally

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    This is regarding schools again, but these two links have some interesting information as to how our U.S. public school system is built on a model imported from, of all places, Prussia! And from about 200 years ago at that!

    This link provides a good overview.

    http://nj.npri.org/nj98/05/prussian.htm

    Much more extensive is this link, of seven pages, but very readable, complete with footnotes. The last page (page 7) even mentions a symbol which would morph into the modern-day swastika! So our current system of public education in the U.S., has its own problems even now, deriving from the history of the Prussian model of its origins. Btw, I found these by placing "U.S. schools Prussian model" in Google, and had 557,000 hits! IMHO, considering how this thread has progressed, more than just a little bit ironic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    well, lets see ...

    http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/nation...e_Schools.html

    or

    http://www.wral.com/news/5156689/detail.html (broadcast nationwide by C-SPAN at taxpayer's expense, technically making the US gov't agency an accomplice in the crime of disseminating hate speech)

    or my personal favorite

    http://www.adversity.net/fed_stats/O...acksFY2004.htm
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    Link 1: So how should they decide? At the private school I worked at, whenever we had more qualified applicants than seats, we went with legacies/siblings first. This automatically put the Black, Hispanic, and Asian applicants at a disadvantage because 95% of the students were White. We also had a huge push from teachers, admin, parents, students, and most importantly,DONORS who wanted us to have more "qualified culluds" in our admission pool for social and educational benefits. So you take five extremely-well qualified students of different ethnicities, none of which have siblings. Who do you choose?

    Link 2: Then ABC is an accomplice to the White Power Movement because they let those freaks come on and spout their hatred. And Faux..I mean Fox...is also an accomplice for letting Whore-o-witz break bread with O'Reilly at least six times.

    Link 3: First, I love the concentration on evil Blacks. Just as sure as the sun will rise... anyway, I'm still looking over the charts from the actual OPM website - not "adversity.net" - but is it really that hard to believe these people were qualified for those positions over other applicants? Just asking. BTW, it looks like Asians were number two in being "overrepresented". And I'm still searching OPM to figure out where they have their list of racial quotas as last I heard, they are illegal. I see some things on Affirmative Action - but towards people with disabilities, not race.


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    I'll say it...homeschooling sucks. Unlesss the parent has been trained in teaching, they are shortchanging their child. Further, a parent does not have the resources that a school has in terms of music, art, physical education, technology, library/media, sports, etc. Also, the older a child gets, the worse it is. In HS, teachers specialize in subject areas that no parent can possibly all have mastery of.

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    I don't know - I think it is a very nice idea. And I have to say - teachers, although skilled, aren't necessarily rocket scientists. I mean, I went to college. I went college with teachers. I got better grades than teachers. The degree doesn't have that much cachet to me, and I actually have doubts about validity of school. And no, parents don't hae a music room or gym (art supplies, I'm pretty sure they do) but the kid can get violin lessons and join a soccer league or take dance lessons or swimming lessons - home schooling doesn't mean you want to keep your child prisoner 24 hours a day.

    Homeschooled children (those that take SAT's, and that is likely a lower proportion than non-homeschooled children) don't do worse on standardized tests (for what that is worth) than high schooled children, and they don't do worse in college - so I'm not sure how short changed they are.
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    I'll say it...homeschooling sucks. Unlesss the parent has been trained in teaching, they are shortchanging their child. Further, a parent does not have the resources that a school has in terms of music, art, physical education, technology, library/media, sports, etc. Also, the older a child gets, the worse it is. In HS, teachers specialize in subject areas that no parent can possibly all have mastery of.
    Bollocks.

    I will say without hesitation that some of the most capable and gifted people I've met in my time in higher education were homeschooled. All the ostensible reservations and villifications about homeschooling exist only in a vacuum, as if the community of homeschoolers in the US have no resources, connections, or avenues available to them, and as if the NEA and ATF are somehow uniquely and singularly qualified with regard to education. Considering what passes for public education in most of the country--LCD education--there can be no question that the 'professionals' of public education are whistling through the graveyard.

    It's this kind of quasi-intellectual elitism that is drawing increasing numbers of parents to the homeschool/private school option in the first place.
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    My main problem with homeschooling is that a great deal of the parents can hardly read, themselves, much less teach someone else how to. Not to mention the filk who homeschool their kids for some goofy religious reason ("*GASP!* Public schools teach about the law of gravity! There IS no law of gravity! IT'S A VAST LEFT WING CONSPIRACY TO DENY THE POWER OF GOD!!!! I must now teach my child only 4-5000 year old fables as truth, as if the last few millenia just didn't exist...)

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    reply to Amethyst ...

    We also had a huge push from teachers, admin, parents, students, and most importantly,DONORS who wanted us to have more "qualified culluds" in our admission pool for social and educational benefits. So you take five extremely-well qualified students of different ethnicities, none of which have siblings. Who do you choose?
    Well, as proven by your own anecdote, the gov't provides a financial incentive and media provides a social incentive to choose 'qualified culluds' - which ultimately boils down to gov't sponsored racism favoring black students over white students.


    Then ABC is an accomplice to the White Power Movement because they let those freaks come on and spout their hatred
    Fact check ... ABC's parent is actively promoting (and profiting from) 'gangsta rap' recordings by black artists a la Ice Cube (with absolutely no attention paid to the racist anti-white hate content of the lyrics BTW), while Prussian Blue is only backed by a tiny 'independent' recording label. ABC itself seeks 'gangsta rap' artists as guest stars for its regular programming, but publishes 'Prussian Blue' and 'Racist' in the same news headline. IMHO ABC's publishing of a 'Racist' news story regarding Prussian Blue certainly doesn't constitute active promotion, and arguably constitutes NEGATIVE promotion. There's no denying the clear existance of a double standard on the part of ABC and it's parent concering the racist hate lyrics of one 'color' versus the racist hate lyrics of a different 'color' . And for the record, ABC did not allow the Prussian Blue girls to make any direct statements for the news story, thus no 'spouting' was allowed.

    but is it really that hard to believe these people were qualified for those positions over other applicants? Just asking. BTW, it looks like Asians were number two in being "overrepresented". And I'm still searching OPM to figure out where they have their list of racial quotas as last I heard, they are illegal
    Illegal or not, the reality of the situation is that mere coincidence can't explain the incredibly disproportionate hiring practices of gov't agencies favoring black new hires over equally qualified white applicants, which again smacks of gov't sponsored racism.

    Again, I'm not making a value judgement that any of these occurrences/situations are morally right or wrong. I'm only pointing out that they do exist, and the apparent driving force seems to be gov't or corporate sponsored racial favoritism of black over white. The logical position of course is that ALL forms of racism are supposedly wrong, and that rights to free speech are guaranteed by the US constitution. But the real world position appears to be that gov't / corporate sponsored racial favoritism towards black people is OK, and that hate based anti-white racial comments/lyrics by black public figures/artists are OK, but that any public comments/lyrics by a white person which are negative towards black people in any way automatically equate to the reincarnation of Hitler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie

    Well, as proven by your own anecdote, the gov't provides a financial incentive and media provides a social incentive to choose 'qualified culluds' - which ultimately boils down to gov't sponsored racism favoring black students over white students.
    No, read again. PRIVATE school = PRIVATE money. Govt. had nothing to do with it. Contrary to what you may think, White people - both conservative and liberal - pushed for more diversity because of the benefits - meaning socialization benefits and creation of an inclusive environment - the student body would receive WITHOUT being pushed by the government. Some people like to do the right thing. These people recognized that the school had had a history of excluding people of color - whether through financial means or ethnic discrimination - and therefore, saw a change needed to happen. Some very prominent, wealthy people in SAT that were members of the board or otherwise donors helped make this happen.

    SAT has made some progress, but still, the majority of the property in the best neighborhoods is owned by White people. This gives their children access to the best public schools AND access to the connections and recruiting from the best private schools. Upon recognizing this, the admission team (my team) was pushed to hit ALL districts harder - including rich minority, poor minority, and poorer White students. Most of these students had never even heard of the school and those that did thought you had to be rich AND/OR have connections in order to attend. Of course, that had been the case previously, but we were able to put a dent in that.

    Should be easy to connect the dots from there.

    BTW, I want you to take notice of how you stated "Black over White" WHEN I SPECIFICALLY STATED BLACK, HISPANIC, AND ASIAN STUDENTS. Again, as sure as the sun will set, you will turn Black people into some kind of threat. Why is that? Racist-based propaganda?

    FYI, at the time of my departure, the school was still at least 90% White, only there was an increased number of poorer Whites and those who lived in not-so-rich districts. Hispanics are next (a good portion of which are Mexican Nationals) with Asians, Blacks, and Middle Eastern students following. There were about 8 Black students of 900, two of whom came from an interracial family.

    ...ABC's parent is actively promoting (and profiting from) 'gangsta rap' recordings by black artists a la Ice Cube (with absolutely no attention paid to the racist anti-white hate content of the lyrics BTW), while Prussian Blue is only backed by a tiny 'independent' recording label. ABC itself seeks 'gangsta rap' artists as guest stars for its regular programming, but publishes 'Prussian Blue' and 'Racist' in the same news headline. IMHO ABC's publishing of a 'Racist' news story regarding Prussian Blue certainly doesn't constitute active promotion, and arguably constitutes NEGATIVE promotion...
    No idea where you are getting your info, so please do share when ABC started with the Ice Cube promotion. It is my understanding that Ice Cube left that anti-white crap a few years ago and actually spoke out against it. Not trying to excuse him for anything, but did ABC promote him before or after? Also, what other Gangsta rappers have been on ABC? Remember, gangsta rap does not equal anti-white. If you're talking about NWA or Ice-T of the previous decade, okay. If you're talking about Snoop Dogg or Jay Z - please.

    Disclaimer - I don't have the time nor inclination to listen to gangsta rap.

    Also, by putting Prussian Blue on the airwaves and allowing even their handlers to speak, they are promoting the group. ANY publicity is good publicity and you know that. Check the blogosphere to see how much popularity they've gained since the show. So, if C-Span is guilty of promoting simply for having someone on as you said about Prof. Hitler v.3, then they're guilty of the same for Prussian Blue.

    Again, I'm not making a value judgement that any of these occurrences/situations are morally right or wrong. I'm only pointing out that they do exist, and the apparent driving force seems to be gov't or corporate sponsored racial favoritism of black over white.
    Melonie, if you can, try to NOT concentrate on Black people as the public enemy #1 for a second and look at the big picture. Think about the history of this country. Then connect the federal and state laws of past to the social constructs of today. It's only been 40 years since Jim Crow. People of all ethnicities are still feeling the effects of it. I think money is fast becoming the strongest factor in discrimination, but the fact that Black and Hispanic people still have very little property and very little money due to past constructions keeps ethnicity tied in as well.

    And no, the world does not support anti-White racism from Black people or any other ethnic group. Most people are appalled, and yes, unfortunately, some laugh it off and don't take him seriously - didn't people originally laugh Hitler off as well - and yeah, you have some folks who support him. But I don't see ONE prominent media outlet that actually supports him.


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