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    Hi I have been very seriously thinking of owning my club in my home town. I am from a small town in pa and the town itself is dyeing but all the towns around it are booming with new business that are bringing new people into the area. I thought putting a titty bar in the smaller town is a good idea becuse the men that work in the offices in the other towns would feel comfortable sneeking away for a bit to indulge in the club. I want it to be a bit differnt though i want it to be an all metal and rock music club and have speical times when the girls to chorgrophed dances maybe just a couple of the girls and they can have a free or reduced house fee to consipate for the time they did the rutine for. I want it to be a differnt place something peopel will talk about. Let me know if you think this idea has potintal and if any one has any insite into what my first steps should be. I do already know that its going to be hard work to open a club and i need to reashearch the local laws. If nudity is not aloweed i am prepared to make it a bikini bar. let me know. thanks aheasd of time.

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    Default Re: thinking of opeing a club

    i had a friend who tried to do this a few years ago. he picked a small town that he lived near and made it a topless coffee shop. it would've been fine had he thought things through more. He was right on the main street, by a church and an elementary school. The community was OUTRAGED. complete freakin chaos. The Church ended up buying him out for alot of $$$, just to get him out of town. I think he was there for like a week.

    i know this prolly means nothing, but i'm trying to say to pick your location carefully. Make sure your town doesn't have any old rules/laws prohibiting nudity and make sure that you can get a liquor liscense.

    Good Luck!!!
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    Default Re: thinking of opeing a club

    hannah thank you for your reply a topless coffie bar is a cool idea to bad it did not work out for him. I planned to do some reasherch on the area i am going to put it in i was thinking of calling local business and other places to see if they think its a good idea for the town. I know this town and its going to stir up some shit which is fine as long as it dose dislove my business. Actuylly this is the town i had the unfourtante privlage of grwoing up in and going to there crappy yuppie school district so a little hell is what i am kinda of lookin for in this town plus making a lot of money. I am a dancer so i hope my exerpince will bring something to my club.

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    Putting an adult business in a small town is a great way to get the local fundies in a snit, sometimes resulting in them getting the ear of their state assembly people to propose legislation to deal with such business, as in statewide. That's precisely what happened in Missouri and Ohio. You won't just be dealing with opposition from the puritan crowd, but also from people who own existing clubs who are already spending thousands on lawyers just to keep their operations open. Believe me, they don't want your club to be the spark that lights the fuse to more regulation.

    And even if you were to get past that, its an ugly fact that running any type of nightclub is an uber-expensive proposition, and one with a high failure rate. Got a spare $250,000+ sitting around? (and that's for a dump). If you don't, then don't expect any bank to give you a loan.
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    oh wow nevet thought of that doc thats why i am glad i post on stripperweb give me something to think about.

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    Forget doing a club...try throwing parties. What you do is rent a local warehouse for a night, get the proper permits, and bring in the girls. You can charge an entry fee, and the girls can get tips. Move the party around to say ten towns a month.

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    I'm working on opening a club as well. I don't mean to discourage, but I'll list some of what you're up against. I think that opening a club can be a fine idea, but you simply cannot half-ass it.

    (1) Zoning law
    (2) Employment law (workman's comp, etc.)
    (3) City / County Ordinances
    (4) State Statutes
    (5) Liquor Regulations
    (6) Trademark law
    (7) Real estate transactions (installment contracts, mortgages, leases, etc.)
    (8 ) Investors (contracts)
    (9) Business structures (S corporations, LLCs, etc.)
    (10 ) Insurance (liability, fire, etc.)
    (11) Finance systems (credit card companies and ATMs to take customer payments, etc.)
    (12) Determining what supplies you need (ice machines, first aid kits, men's and women's restroom signs, ten million other things)
    (13) Suppliers
    (14) Employees
    (15) Sound and Light Systems
    (16) Market analysis (census, chamber of commerce statistics, and a million other things)
    (17) Constitutional Law (first amendment, grandfathering (yes, the federal courts have addressed this though it is generally a state law matter), etc.)
    (18 ) Dealing with contractors
    (19) Possibly dealing with consultants
    (20 ) Marketing research (the 80/20 rule, etc.)
    (21) Computer networks
    (22) Security systems

    That's what I though of in about 10 seconds. Some of the above are MASSIVE undertakings. Just determining whether to get a bank loan and a mortgage or structure a modified installment sale is a huge task in and of itself. I know things about cash registers now that I never dreamed I would know. I know how much more money you can make in a year by adding an additional ice cube to a glass of soda thereby reducing the amount of soda by 1/2 ounce. These are all things that you should become versed in. Regarding the 1/2 ounce of soda, believe me, it makes a significant difference. Oh...you should also know how much that ice cube costs.

    If you are going to do the project, understand that you are in for a huge time committment. You will also need help from many sources (unless you happen to be an expert in all of the above). If you have lawyer friends, you may want to see if they'd like to become involved.

    Someone on here said that $250K would be a dive. They were right on the money. Even in a rural area, $250K won't get you anywhere. Think about how much just a passable ice maching, sound system, light system, couple of TVs, computers, etc. would cost and you'll see $250K vanish like it was never there. That's not counting the building!

    I hope I've helped put things in perspective at least a little bit.

    Good luck with the project if you decide to do it. If you get your planning rolling, I would certainly like to see if we could trade any info.

    Cheers!

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    If this is your dream, go for it!

    The first thing you need to do is sit down with a buisiness attorney or a business advisor and figure out what exactly will go into this and if you can swing it.

    Also, you need to find a location. A bar you could convert to a nudie bar would be optimal.

    I've always found that woman club owners are the best. I would love to open a strip club one day too, lemme know how this all pans out for you!

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    Maybe easier to buy one already in operation.

    Try http://www.stripclubsforsale.com/

    Oh, yeah, financing can be obtained, but these people that will loan
    you the money will eventually end up owning the club.
    Besides.

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    Is there a possibility of getting someone to go into business with you? Maybe someone with some experience in bar/club/restaurant area? That might be of some help.

    You are looking into a huge undertaking. I was a GM at a club before I decided to go back to dancing. What Amadeus said above is absolutely true. And, the costs for a good place were right on the money as well. Here in NJ, $250,000 won't even buy you a liquor license let alone the rest of the business.

    I wish you TONS of luck if you decide to pursue your dream. If you can swing it, I feel that this business needs more dancers as owners. Dancers tend to see their employees as people and not just dollar signs. Or at least that's how it was for me.

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    Default Re: thinking of opeing a club

    Where in PA would you be putting the club anyway?

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    oh wow thank you guys for all your support. This site rocks. I have so much to think about i am looking at putting my club in canonsburg pa a small town near pittsburgh. It is truely my dream and i am willing to do the work. Thanks agine so much to all of you who took the time to give good info and encouragement. Xoxox

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    Quote Originally Posted by amadeus_x
    (9) Business structures (S corporations, LLCs, etc.
    AX emphasized how massive an undertaking each of the steps he listed is. Just to start to prove the point with one example, under business structures you have to consider:

    (a) allocation of decision-making authority
    (b) distribution of earnings: how much, to whom, when or if you can (For example, under most states LLC laws you can't distribute anything until the fair market value of your assets exceeds your liabilities, not counting contributions to capital. This creates a bunch more issues, such as figuring out what qualifies as an "asset.")
    (c) dissolution
    (d) liability ramifications

    Oh yeah, and to add one more to his big list: (23) Taxes.

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    There are advantages to buying a club in that a lot of the setup/infrastructure has already been done. But if you're going to buy you need to make sure that you get a decent valuation of an existing place, otherwise you could end up paying too much and shooting yourself in the foot before you start (taking account why it's for sale in the first place - could be bad location? bad neighbours? etc)

    Sounds foolish talking about business plans and whatnot, but a new SC is an entrepreneurial venture, it probably starts with writing some kind of business plan to see how you can make money while living your dream, AND treating your employees and customers fairly. That's what all new businesses are about at the end of the day, after all. Good luck!

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    Good Luck!!! Sounds like fun!!!
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    The first thing you needt o do if you want anyone to take you seriously is make a business plan. Put a lot of work into it, they can take a long time to make. I have known ppl who have spent months perfecting there business plan. Anyone with bus experiance that is going to even be interested in hearng you will want to see a business plan, including a lawyer.
    If youdo not have any business education I would suggest looking it all up before you even start the business plan. fsb.com has some great info, also google entrepreneurship and business plans. Dont buy a premade plan, you definitly want this to be your won creation as if you were to present it to investors/banks/partners, you may not have very much time and you are going t want to know the ins and outs so that you can touch on the important stuff for a presentation. If you have any q's you can e-mail me here.
    Ps, I am currently working on my MBA.

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