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    I don't socialize at work. I do my thing and get out. However, in the dressing room, I overhear conversations. Sometimes, someone starts talking to me and I'm stuck listening. The focus: How much money they earn. They talk about how Mr. Blahblahblah gives them $10,000/week or how they earn at least $1000/shift or who bought them a Lexus. And I feel just awful. I get none of this. No one brings me gifts. No one ever has.

    I work in a small-ish club with no champagne rooms. My only upsell is a $20 private dance. Tables dances are $1. They really are $1. I hate them. I work my butt off in the club. Everytime I go to work, I know that I will bring home at least $500. Since April, I have had 4 shifts when I took home less, but they were all at least $350. Logically, I know I am doing well. I work within my boundries and feel good about myself. Then again, I feel terrible that I'm not getting $1000 tips like other dancers say that they're getting.

    I do leave work at work. Maybe that's why. I don't feel comfortable contacting customers on my own time. I won't hang out with them either. I'd feel weird.

    I'm just bummed. I don't why I feel as if what I'm earning isn't good enough, even though I know it's more than enough. You know what I mean?

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    Please remember that some if not most of these girls have low self-esteem and will make things up to try to make themselves feel better. I have even seen girls bring in money, hide it, then after sitting with someone, get the money and claim that the customer just gave it to them. You are making very good consitant money. Feel proud that you are able to leave it "just a job" and not a life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lizette
    I don't socialize at work. I do my thing and get out. However, in the dressing room, I overhear conversations. Sometimes, someone starts talking to me and I'm stuck listening. The focus: How much money they earn. They talk about how Mr. Blahblahblah gives them $10,000/week or how they earn at least $1000/shift or who bought them a Lexus. And I feel just awful. I get none of this. No one brings me gifts. No one ever has.
    Lizette, that's a crock of shi% and you know it Me and you have had tons of conversations about your club. You and I both know you are AWESOME! So what if those girls "say" they make $1000 you were the first one who ever told me not to buy into that crap!

    Tell me this, when you watch them...does it seem like they are making that much? Nope, you know why cause you're to busy in the back sellin those $20 dances! You do very well for yourself. Instead of listening to those losers fill your head with trash, politely tell them you'll be right back and then BOUNCE!!!!!!!

    I think it's good that you leave the club and the people in it behind when you go home. You don't need people like that in your life anyways. Just like a corporate setting job, you go to work, eat ya lunch, and take your ass home! The only mingling you do is when you're walking past the copy machine. And for your case, the only time you should be mingling is when you walk in the back to freshen up or change. Ok, I'm done with my mornin' bitch rant!

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    Well, first of all...the other dancers COULD be making this money...but, who cares? I have also known VERY few dancers who have sugar daddies outside the club. However, you can guarantee that the sugar daddie is not giving them $10,000 a month, etc because he thinks she's nice. She's giving him some nookie...99% of the time.

    If you feel that your sales could use some work...why not get the DW course? He's got a home-study course out, now. Go buy some sales books and start improving your sales techniques.

    I remember one girl used to bring in ALL of her money that she made during the week. After she'd hit a VIP...she'd go up to her locker and add the big stash of money to her garter. "Look at what I just got from VIP". I was quite amused...and I wanted to ask her, "Wow...and he even got up here to put it in your locker for you...what a guy!"

    You already know that not all dancers are completely honest about what they do and how much they make. You make good, consistent money. If you can do that, you are doing good. And, I agree with Cin...tell them you will be right back and book. OR, take a "walkman" with you to work and put it on if you are going to be in the LR for any length of time.
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    While it's possible that some are making that much, I think it's doubtful that anyone who speaks loudly about it is. If they really were, they'd keep it to themselves so that nobody else would try and steal their customer. That would be my reality if I had a hot regular like that.

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    Thank you, ladies! It's very difficult for me to listen to other dancers without feeling bad about myself. I'm sure that this is their intent.

    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess
    Well, first of all...the other dancers COULD be making this money...but, who cares? I have also known VERY few dancers who have sugar daddies outside the club. However, you can guarantee that the sugar daddie is not giving them $10,000 a month, etc because he thinks she's nice. She's giving him some nookie...99% of the time.
    I needed this reminder. Gah! Why does it mess with my head so much? I'm doing really well. I'm in the highest tax bracket the IRS has to offer. For 7 hours, all I do is dance. I'm at the point where I couldn't possibly earn more. I'm at the club's potential. There's no other club around with more potential, which is why I stay. I'm happy with my skills -- Most certainly, I took the DW course! -- and believe I max out every shift.

    It's just when another dancer is telling me about her $2000/shift (which is impossible without a HUUUUUGE tip; $1 table dances, no champagne), I feel terrible that I didn't earn that. The club should have a rule that no dancer shall talk about her money uninvitedly.

    Side note: No dancers at my club know how much I earn. Mgmt knows approximately how many dances I've sold. Only the bar and the DJ know by extrapolating from their 5% and 10% tipout, respectively. They've told me that they would keep my earnings to themselves because they know I'd get a lot of crap otherwise, possibly get run out, and they don't want to lose their fat tips.

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    What is the DW course? where do i get it?
    thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cinammonkisses
    Lizette, that's a crock of shi% and you know it Me and you have had tons of conversations about your club. You and I both know you are AWESOME! So what if those girls "say" they make $1000 you were the first one who ever told me not to buy into that crap!
    Luv ya back!

    I'm at a new club now. The GM at the old club told me to watch my step because a few dancers there were planning on beating me up, among other things. So I left. I won't deal with that kind of sh*t. I'm certain they'd never hire me back. C'est la vie. I don't even know who the dancers were.

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    Default Re: I feel bad about my money. Rant.

    I swear, this is the only business where some chicks can get away with that sort of behavior. Anywhere else and they would be out of there in a hot New York minute!

    Seriously, so what. Make your money and go home.. plus if those other girls 'say' they are making that sort of money, exactly -what- did they do to earn it? Unless they were super busy and they are not - as they are sitting around in the dressing room flapping their mouths. People at work that do make bank don't brag. They have nothing to brag about!

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    I thought this would be a thread about girls talking about much they make and you feeling bad because you made more (I get that way sometimes). You are a top earner in this industry.

    I hear the stories too. I work with a girl that supposedly had a guy buy her a car...but it turns out he's making the payments. I don't need a crystal ball to see how that is going to turn out. Then there's another who had a guy supposedly give her a check for $16,000....but then it got seized out of her bank account by the gov't. I know this girl...she is not the type to have $16,000 and not spend it. So basically I believe very little about OTC sugar daddies, and the little I do believe, I think comes with a major price.

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    I hear the stories too. I work with a girl that supposedly had a guy buy her a car...but it turns out he's making the payments. I don't need a crystal ball to see how that is going to turn out. Then there's another who had a guy supposedly give her a check for $16,000....but then it got seized out of her bank account by the gov't. I know this girl...she is not the type to have $16,000 and not spend it. So basically I believe very little about OTC sugar daddies, and the little I do believe, I think comes with a major price.
    yup, total concurrence here ...

    A. at least half of the exaggerated nightly earnings claims that you hear are total bulls#!t. If you yourself know what sorts of accomplishments are required to make X dollars in your club, and by observation you know the actual probability of what girls claiming exaggerated earnings might have realistically accomplished, undoubtedly a wide bulls#!t gap exists.

    B. 90% of the 'sugar daddy' deals you hear about don't amount to much when you read the 'fine print'. The Lexus that 'daddy' may have 'given' to a dancer is probably leased, or owned by 'daddy's' corporation as a tax write-off, so that all the dancer is actually getting is the privilege of driving someone else's fancy car. Same goes for apartments. In 90% of cases, the dancer doesn't hold title to anything.

    C. 90% of the 'sugar daddy' deals you hear about also contain a 'put out or get out' clause. Since the dancer doesn't hold title to anything, if the deal falls apart she usually has little or nothing of actual value left to show for it.

    D. after a 'sugar daddy' deal falls apart, the dancer may be held responsible for paying income tax on the 'cash value' of 'daddy's' gifts, as the IRS can interpret such 'gifts' as being payments for services rendered. 'Daddy' may in fact be writing off these 'gifts' as business/entertainment expenses off his own/corporate taxes !

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    I worked in the town you are in about 6 years ago. I was one of the top selling dance sellers at my club then. Money flowed smoothly, although Mon-Wed nights were slow. You are doing really well. What you say you are averaging is good in ANY town/city.

    I have learned in my years of working this business that no one is really doing better than you are. These girls exaggerate their earnings.

    I can see by your posts that you are HIGHLY driven to be #1. High dollar regulars are drawn to girls at random and no level of selling skills will help a dancer attract sugar daddy customers.

    First off MOST dancers are not stable and don't work 5 days a week regularly. Many don't approach all the customers and spend the time trying to persuade them to buy, and many are too tempted by alcohol and drugs to be able to function properly.

    In the MAJORITY of clubs around the country the earnings averages of dancers are in the $80-$200 range depending on the enforced table/lap dancing laws. Making $350-$500 is excellent, and I can tell you are a ball buster hustler who won't take no for an answer.

    I do know though that IF a girl has an interested wealthy and lonely regular, those types of guys like a gilr to play more of a submissive role and let the man be daddy.

    Plus I learned working in small rural clubs where most girls work weekly bookings and are not house girls, that phone numbers need to be exchanged with interested customers who buy a few dances. They want to call to say hi and know where you are working and when you are back in their town. My real cell phone is a business phone as well as a personal one. I am working more than I do anything else so I may get several calls a day(including my wealthy regular) from customers who spend money on me. My fiancee' doesn't care and even recognizes a few of the numbers when they show up on the phone. He knows it is business. He even laughs at how corny some of these guys are.

    The type of customer with money who is infatuated with a dancer and who spends a decent amount in the club EXPECTS communication by phone. My wealthy regular calls me just about every day or I ring him except on weekends. We only talk 5 minutes or less. I work at the club near him one week a month. If I am in a town 100 miles away and he can get away, he may meet me somewhere and give me a few hundred dollars. He always asks me if I am doing any shopping and will wire or mail me money.I have had lunch with him several times. Nothing sexual. He is married and his wife has threatend to take his family inheritance if he leaves her so he is discreet.

    You have to give these guys a little time and not act as if you are afraid for them to know anything about you if you, want to keep them around as long as possible. Your businesslike demeanor and refusal to interact with them by phone or have lunch with them may be turning these guys away. There are only 2 customers that I have had lunch with over the last year, and these are loyal customers who like my personality and like to keep in touch.

    Keep in mind the classy, wealthy, and lonely type of regular who will spend on you in the club and out for a long period of time without sexual demands is not running around in high numbers.

    Dollar dances ARE good because at the clubs where they are regularly done guys are used to them and it keeps money flowing. They are especially good when you have a young or not so spendy clientele as it forces them to spend SOMETHING. And in Indy you can do them anytime you want and when I worked there at the top of the hour they would do 2/1's in VIP, and guys were used to buying them. It also was easy to keep guys back there when the 2/1 was over.

    When you have worked in as many towns as I have you appreciate clubs where they make the customers feel obligated to spend. A large majority of customers are not rich. How would you feel if you did not get those $1 dances and had a hard time selling dances?

    Don't listen to those flaky dancers who don't make STEADY high incomes in this business. I bet most of them don't even work the crowd, do they?

    You're doing fine Lizette. But maybe try opening up a little more with guys who want to play daddy, who seem to like you, and be less dominant with them. These guys want a girl to lean on them and to depend on them. Don't act like such an independent woman in their presense. I wouldn't be afraid to give a few guys your number who spend money on you ( be selective of course). If/when they lose interest they will stop calling.

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    I wouldn't listen too much or even believe half the things said in a strip club. A lot of these girls will lie about what they make and exaggerate about everything. I mean it's possible someone can make $1000 a night,but i know when i make $1000 a night i keep my mouth shut ..or any amount of money for that matter.I don't tell anyone what i've made and i ask noone what they've made...even when my manager askes me how much i made ....i just say good or bad or so/so,i never tell. It's no ones business but ones own and believe me when someone has to brag about there earnings,those are the ones NOT making what they say they are and who cares anyway.Don't let other peoples income make you feel any different ,you do what you can and do the best you can.

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    You are doing fine, sweetie. I am maxing out my club, too. I wish mine had the potential yours does.

    There is always the possibiity that these girls are doing XXXXtras in the back room. You can't help that, so why worry about it? You have your self-respect when you look in the mirror in the morning. That is worth more than all the $$$ on earth.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kryssy
    I have even seen girls bring in money, hide it, then after sitting with someone, get the money and claim that the customer just gave it to them.
    Along the same lines that is a little trick that I know lots of dancers who wear garters do (and I used to do when I wore a garter)... you bring in your own money.. maybe one or two $100 notes.. a couple of $50 notes.. and strap them to your garter. Remember the money here in Australia is colour-ed. $100 notes are green and $50 notes are yellow/golden.

    It was under the assumption that patrons would look at your garter to see how popular you are and therefore buy a dance off you since you are the popular girl or at least seem to be making money.

    I used to do it with foreign money that I was given as tips on stage: USD, Hong Kong, NZD etc.


    In the end, realise that alot of those dancers are talking sh*t. They are talking a good game because they feel inadequate around you. See it as a compliment to a certain extent.

    Then again, some of them are probably putting up with alot of crap from those gift-bearing customers or providing OTC services ... and you are making really good CONSISTENT money.

    Let them talk about all the gifts they got from customers... just realise that at the end of the night you are most likely going home more satisfied than any of them.


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    Okay, first of all, no one makes a thousand dollars every single night. That's bullshit. Everyone has bad nights.

    Second of all, remember this:

    It does NOT matter how much someone else makes. Wether they made 1 dollar or 100000 dollars, you still go home with what YOU made. So it's not worth thinking about.

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    Don't believe those girls, the're only trying to inflate their images. At my old club, there was a bitch who would always get in your face by bragging about how great she was, like how all these guys were spending tons of money on her and that she was so much hotter than a scrawny little Jap like me. Heh. At the club, the barmaid kept our money and kept track of how much we deposited (it was ok b/c we gave direct fees instead of percentage), and I saw her page sometimes. She didn't make nearly as much as she bragged. She was the ostentatious type who always had to 1-up everyone around her. Even if she was just eating something, she rubbed it in your face that her meal was really good. Nobody took her seriously and everyone hated her b/c she was a bully, but sided with her all the same b/c you didn't want to get on her psycho bad side.

    Good for you for breaking out of the small club. Newbies think that a small club = more security, but in reality, they're limiting themselves. When I was at Club Shit, they always told me that at other clubs, I'd get bullied and that they were always getting shut down for tricks and that I was lucky to be at a small, personal club that cared *cough* BULLSHIT *cough.* I quit Club Shit after a particularly nasty drama episode started by a groupie guy who won favors with the strippers by telling them that I was saying all sorts of sh*t aobut them (I wasn't), and moved to a real club where I had no problems and made more $$$. I've noticed that they pull the "you can't do any better than this" crap at every bad club to keep their dancers, who believe it and stay. Another thing about small clubs is that since all the pretty girls eventually figure that they can make better money elsewhere, the small clubs are left with girls who are on their last few years and can be territorial and jealous. This does not apply to all clubs, but keep it in mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tina
    But maybe try opening up a little more with guys who want to play daddy, who seem to like you, and be less dominant with them. These guys want a girl to lean on them and to depend on them. Don't act like such an independent woman in their presense. I wouldn't be afraid to give a few guys your number who spend money on you ( be selective of course). If/when they lose interest they will stop calling.
    You hit the nail on the head, as always. I do get uppity when a customer wants to play the fantasy of "taking care" of me. It hits a nerve, and I flatly state all the reasons why I don't need his money. I should work on this. Hospitality is my business, not hostility.

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    $10k a week? $1-2k every night??? LMAO!



    Honey, NO stripper makes that. Period. Some hookers do, but those girls won't be in the dressing room bragging about what they make.

    You can bank on the fact that what those stoopid lil twats are telling you is 100% bullshit. They see that you are constantly busy(and they're not) and they want to make themselves look good and/or make you feel bad. Most likely they're barely scraping by and have no money in the bank - if they even have bank accounts

    SOME girls get to drive "daddy's" lexus and maybe get some cash now and then, but you can be sure they're humping/blowing "daddy". And as soon as "daddy" gets tired of her or whatever, that lexus will be right back in his driveway (or maybe some other chick's) because it's got HIS name on it. Nothing wrong with what those girls are doing if they're cool with it, but they don't really benefit in the long run.

    I agree with what Tina has to say about dealing with big money regulars, but if you're not willing/able to make the OTC time commitments for these guys, you'll just have to be content with making all you can at work. And it sounds like you're doing very well at work, so you've certainly got nothing to worry about. What you're averaging is good money for anyone in any area.

    Don't listen to strippers talking $$ at work. Just like men, those of us who DO make the money don't talk about it at work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kryssy
    Please remember that some if not most of these girls [boys] have low self-esteem and will make things up to try to make themselves feel better. .
    See blue site.

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    Well, I willl be brief here.
    If you feel inadequate, you just do.
    No amount of pecuniary or monetary increase
    will compnesate for this.

    And listening to other folks talk
    just aggravates the whole issue.

    Yeah, I know, it is easier said then done.
    But tomorrow is the first day of the rest of your life.
    Begin feeling better about your self.
    Take care.

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